DotA2 - Original Thread

[Raul]

Eastern qualifier times are at possibly the most inconvenient time possible for me.

also, pinoy doto at its best from what little I saw of Dreamz vs. LGD.cn

[Malthe]

Yay, fnatic vs mouz. Been too long since i've seen fnatic play! And let's see if mouz can stand up to a directly invited team :P

[Raul]

Yay, fnatic vs mouz. Been too long since i've seen fnatic play! And let's see if mouz can stand up to a directly invited team :P

Hard to tell too much from a 1 game series, even though

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mouz did win.

Should be fun to see a RoX vs. EG rematch. I'm still kinda sad that EG went out in qualifiers.

edit: wait, are you talking about TPL or Starladder? There's a Mouz vs. Fnatic game today in both of them.
edit2: welp doesn't really matter; turned out the same way.

[Words]

Also the playlist used by BTS comes from this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/SadOnionDota

Loving Enchantress one.

Also, eastern group a was really boring... other than 1 or two big plays from Meracle's Whisp. Chinese farming is boring, but I was watching IG's game the other day and their teamfights are so much fun. I hope group b is better.

[IllegallySane]

I love how when some people lose they get hilariously creative to make their loss memorable. This was on Reddit.

[Malthe]

this is what happens when guinsoo balances dota 2

[IllegallySane]

The ending was amusingly unexpected. The spoof was golden as well.

[Words]

Second time Drow gets picked in the Qualifier? It's really interesting to see a strong pub hero (even more so in low level pubs) in competitive/pro games.
A lot of stuff to learn from the pro players. I really like it when they play Rubick because he's one of my favorites heroes :3

Oh, and about the video... as soon as I read "the ending was so unexpected", while watching I was like "Oh, it's just gonna be an ilusion".
After watching tons of games and laughing because people wasting more than 1 ulti on them it felt really predictable.

[Raul]

It's kinda interesting that none of these comp Drows are putting points into Frost Arrows. But goddamn does she hit like a truck. I guess they've usually got the setup so that she doesn't really need the slow and it would mean she can't use lifesteal.
also rip in peace iG win streak.

[Malthe]

It's kinda interesting that none of these comp Drows are putting points into Frost Arrows. But goddamn does she hit like a truck. I guess they've usually got the setup so that she doesn't really need the slow and it would mean she can't use lifesteal.
also rip in peace iG win streak.

What? One of the first drow games in the east qualifiers had a drow that went frost arrow and silence over precision aura even for the first few levels. Didn't see the one today.
Also there is literally no situation where frost arrows are bad, even if you want lifesteal. It's a 60% slow without cooldown. I didn't see the game but i heard he got a lot of flak for his build. The only time would be if you wanted to AFK farm with drow, but that's nonsensical unless your enemy picked poorly leaving them with no way to get in your face and no way to outcarry you, in which case farm all you want. Drow is super strong with timings, but she's a pretty bad lategame carry as long as you drafted so that you can get in her face which nullifies her entire ulti.

[Words]

It's kinda interesting that none of these comp Drows are putting points into Frost Arrows. But goddamn does she hit like a truck. I guess they've usually got the setup so that she doesn't really need the slow and it would mean she can't use lifesteal.
also rip in peace iG win streak.

At least two times chinese players got away because of no frost arrows, so even if interesting it seems like a bad choice. I wouldn't know though.

[Raul]

What? One of the first drow games in the east qualifiers had a drow that went frost arrow and silence over precision aura even for the first few levels. Didn't see the one today.
Also there is literally no situation where frost arrows are bad, even if you want lifesteal. It's a 60% slow without cooldown. I didn't see the game but i heard he got a lot of flak for his build. The only time would be if you wanted to AFK farm with drow, but that's nonsensical unless your enemy picked poorly leaving them with no way to get in your face and no way to outcarry you, in which case farm all you want. Drow is super strong with timings, but she's a pretty bad lategame carry as long as you drafted so that you can get in her face which nullifies her entire ulti.

Every competitive drow I've seen as of yet has gone 0 frost arrows. Only western team I've seen run it is... EG I think. And I don't remember her skilling frost arrows in any of those games though I could be wrong. And Jeyo is crazy, so...

[Malthe]

Every competitive drow I've seen as of yet has gone 0 frost arrows. Only western team I've seen run it is... EG I think. And I don't remember her skilling frost arrows in any of those games though I could be wrong. And Jeyo is crazy, so...

Then you seem to've missed the FD vs RSnake game with Icy on Drow, skilled frost arrows first above all else.
60% slow with no cooldown is too strong to ignore, honestly.

[Raul]

Then you seem to've missed the FD vs RSnake game with Icy on Drow, skilled frost arrows first above all else.
60% slow with no cooldown is too strong to ignore, honestly.

with a substantial mana cost for drow who has an incredibly pitiful mana pool. her other skills give her a second of silence duration and massive damage bonuses.

[Malthe]

It's a mana cost of 12 and you don't have it toggled on, you manually cast it when chasing a target.
Not getting maxed frost arrows is nothing short of dumb, as i said, it's a 60% slow with no pineappleing cooldown.
At level 11 even with casting silence twice in a fight, which is unlikely at that level, you still have enough mana for 16 frost arrows ignoring any all-stat boosting items you might have and ignoring any mana regen you might be able to get from items (Arcane boots from allies, auras, magic stick).

Drow can support maxing frost arrows easily even with her mana pool.

This is even disregarding the part where frost arrows give her a slightly larger attack range too.

[Raul]

This is even disregarding the part where frost arrows give her a slightly larger attack range too.

uh, what?
drow attack range: 625
frost arrows range: 625
or is this the weird stuff where it's calculated from different parts of the model?

[Even]

uh, what?
drow attack range: 625
frost arrows range: 625
or is this the weird stuff where it's calculated from different parts of the model?

Manual casting bone searing arrow, drow frost arrow, viper toxic venom or od whatever that skill increased your attack range with about 50 in DotA 1 (not 100% sure about how far it increases but it does increase by about 50). Pretty sure this is just another hidden feature that was copied over.

Also: This is made for the chinese dota 2 client, I dont get why they want to adjust the models but okey. (could also be fake, but ever heard about the Oil seeker instead of blood seeker?)




Notice that this is for heroes that has some sort of demon/skeleton nature, probably will see the oil seeker thing ported aswell. Whats so bad about blood and skeletons china?

[IllegallySane]

Well dang man. Orb walking increases range as well? My face when.

[Raul]

Manual casting bone searing arrow, drow frost arrow, viper toxic venom or od whatever that skill increased your attack range with about 50 in DotA 1 (not 100% sure about how far it increases but it does increase by about 50). Pretty sure this is just another hidden feature that was copied over.

Also: This is made for the chinese dota 2 client, I dont get why they want to adjust the models but okey. (could also be fake, but ever heard about the Oil seeker instead of blood seeker?)

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Notice that this is for heroes that has some sort of demon/skeleton nature, probably will see the oil seeker thing ported aswell. Whats so bad about blood and skeletons china?

oh right, it's attacks that are calculated from the center of the unit and skills that are calculated from the edge of the unit. That was the problem with all the spell ranges being I think 47 units short a while back.

also there are some chinese laws about blood and skeletons and fun stuff like that. WoW had to be changed as well to be sold in China.

[Malthe]

Oooh, the TI3 HUD is gorgeous.

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Also almost 2.15 million in the prizepool.
2.2 is coming up soon with a special custom taunt for compendium owners!
2.6 doesn't seem too unrealistic now.