DotA2 - Original Thread

[Malthe]

Centaur new ulti is so op :(

It was leaked on Maelk's stream that icefrog is planning to rescale the ult to a constant 4 second duration, mana cost of 80 and CD scaling of 100/90/80 or was it 100/80/60. I forgot.
Regardless, it is getting hit by the nerf bat. To me, it needs to be rescaled to have a constantly higher cooldown to make it a teamfighting ability and not a get out of jail free card, and it needs to be reduced to a 2k aura and not global.
But yea, IceFrog loves to introduce a new and completely bonkers and broken mechanic and then work on having it work with the rest of the game. It's rare for a hero with a super new mechanic to not be bonkers for a while, but IceFrog's always worked like that, In Icefrog we trust!
Sometimes it's annoying, but outside of captain's mode, no mode was ever more than a fun mode after all.

New silencer is a complete monster though, holy pineapple there is no way to win against him in lane 1v1 outside of being OD.

And i still have a single invite left if someone wants one.

And for some entertainment:

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[Salguod]

May I have the invite? I filled out the hardware survey a while back but never got an invite. Dota seemed pretty interesting once I learned it wasn't a traditional RTS game.

[Malthe]

Why, yes of course you may.
You can just add me on Steam, you can find me trough the Southperry steam group, my name is Malthe. My steam is also in my profile, here.

I will gladly give you some pointers and tips, since DotA has never been friendly to newcomers.

This might help you a lot too

And this isn't ideal, but these guides are very good for newcomers, i imagine. If you want to learn more about a specific hero that peaks your interest, anyway.

[Dusk]

6.76c came out earlier today, Centaur got nerfed and we should be seeing the changes in Dota 2 next week.

* Stampede cooldown increased from 65 to 120/90/60
* Stampede duration rescaled from 3/4/5 to 3.75
* Stampede damage slightly reworked from 100/150/200 + 2x str to 0 + 1/2/3x str (no base damage)
* Stampede mancost increased from 50 to 80
* Stampede AoE reduced from 120 to 105
* Drow's base armor decreased by 2
* Marksmanship focus AoE increased from 375 to 400
* Last Word manacost from 100 to 115
* Living Armor cooldown and duration decreased from from 20 to 15
* Living Armor manacost decreased 30/35/40/45 to 25


* Fixed an exploit with Enfeeble allowing it to be perma stuck on the enemy in some situations
* Fixed some lag when Centaur initially casts Stampede
* Centaur restricted from Captain's Mode
* Fixed a couple of bugs with -TagTeam mode
* Fixed Force Staff shop hotkey
* Fixed various tooltips

[Malthe]

It's going to help, but yea, the global part still needs to go, or it needs to not be less than 120 seconds cooldown ever.

Also lol at drow armor nerf. Wont change much seeing her range is 625 and she buys agility items.
Even with the minus 2 armor she'll be at around 2 armor at level 1 with items. And at level 3 it'll be 3 armor and at level 6 she'll obviously have a pineapple ton.

But well, giving it some thought, neither drow nor centaur are as strong as Zet. It's going to get hard to get used to the way IceFrog treats everything but captain's mode again.


Oh and skimming trough CyborgMatt's extractions reveal that the tutorial is in the works.

[Salguod]

Thanks again for the invite. It's exciting and an hour flies by when I play. I'm dying way too much though. I actually died 20 times in a bot match (though I'm a little better than that now). Do you have tips for what to do while running away?

[Malthe]

Thanks again for the invite. It's exciting and an hour flies by when I play. I'm dying way too much though. I actually died 20 times in a bot match (though I'm a little better than that now). Do you have tips for what to do while running away?

Welcome to dota, allow me to be your guide.

A big part of DotA, or rather the biggest part is to know your boundaries. This is something even the best of the best have problems finding.
If you know your boundaries and the boundaries of your enemies, the game automatically becomes around 10 times easier.
This comes primarily from experience, you need to know the range of things, how dangerous a hero is at a certain level and so on.

And generally, just playing teaches you this. The best way to learn how to play DotA is to simply play, theorycrafting and reading guides only gets you so far. As you feel more and more secure you can up the difficulty of the bots, as they are not bad as far as laning(the phase of the game where people stick to their lanes to kill creeps) goes and when ganking(Leaving your lane to go kill someone specific). So they will probably teach you some bad habits, which you will slowly lose once you play against other people, but they will also teach you a lot about not overstepping your boundaries since they do what is often referred to as 5-man-doto(Running around as 5 going for kills over farm(killing neutrals)) and this means they will punish and kill you quite often.

Dying a lot in DotA is to be expected if you are new to it, and i am not sure how much experience you have in the game so far, if you let me know i'll explain in the amount of detail i think will be needed.

But as far as escaping goes, you should first of all: ALWAYS CARRY A TELEPORTATION SCROLL.
This is the single most cost-effecient and important item in DotA. It allows you to move fast and to where you need to, but for now you should focus on the basics.
When escaping you can also utilize fog of war and items such as Blink dagger, Shadow blade and force staff.
And then you have certain heroes with built in escape mechanisms, if you do not have access to an item that lets you escape and your hero has no escape mechanisms, then the best tool you have is map awareness, placing wards give you immense vision on the map and allow you to quite safely prevent ganks.

This might give you some good information:

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And you should not be scared away by the aggressive attitude of the DotA community, no matter how good you are, no matter how well you played people will whine and peach. So if they do, you can just mute them and play your game, don't ever let anyone tell you that you are a bad player, because they are in a game with you so their matchmaking is equal to yours or around it, thus they are at the same skill level. And everybody has bad games, EVERYBODY.

I will gladly elaborate and answer any and all questions anybody has about DotA.


And here comes the most important and best advice i will ever be able to give anyone about DotA:

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And this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=365959
Has a ton of good tips/tricks/links.


And this explains almost all you need to know regarding towers:

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[Dusk]

Keep in mind that there are dozens of paths through trees and narrow spots across the map, and that you can't see uphill. Positioning is super important in Dota, because a single stun or slow can leave you wide open for multiple heroes to jump on you. With this in mind, try to pay attention to where everyone is on the map. Is anyone missing? Do you have any idea where they went? If not, then play it safe and stick close to your tower/base. Also, avoid overextending while farming creeps, because the further you get from your base, the more dangerous it is. One way to reduce the risk of being jumped on is to buy observer and sentry wards, which is an important thing to learn about. By placing them in high ground spots, you can spot people coming from a good distance away and get out in time. For just 150 gold, you get a pack of two wards that can keep you safe for 6 minutes.

[DarkForgeJ]

ok so this is the only place that i thinked of because i am to lazy to create an account in another forum...

Anyone interested in making 2 partys of 5 persons so we can try getting the golden baby roshan courier in the diretide game???

[Dusk]

It'd be ridiculously hard to beat the time. Plus, I don't think we have 10 Dota 2 players on SP :(

[Malthe]

Here's how you beat the crazy times:
have 5 smurf accounts on both teams queu up so they get against eachother, pick pudge and wisp and whatever for the last heroes. Now one team stays level 1 and suicides against pudge and since candy stays at 25/25 roshan wont stop hunting till one team is ahead. Now you have one person on a cliff where roshan can't reach them and have him distract rosh.
Now you allowd pudge to get 50k strength and kill roshan almost instantly.
That's how people are doing it :l

[Dusk]

Does anyone want a Dota 2 invite? I got 4 today and all my friends already have it, so I'm giving them away. Three are gone already.

[DarkForgeJ]

Does anyone want a Dota 2 invite? I got 4 today and all my friends already have it, so I'm giving them away. Three are gone already.

My friend is looking for one ._. , i can give you his steam name tomorrow if it's still available your invitation

[Dusk]

My friend is looking for one ._. , i can give you his steam name tomorrow if it's still available your invitation

Sure. Add me too http://steamcommunity.com/id/Otaia.

[Loose]

I got one for myself.

In these two days, I've played two games against bots. The game is interesting.

[Raul]

I got an account back during closed beta, played a couple games. I know Jed Vegas has an account too because I gave him one. I'd say we definitely have at least 10 DotA2 players on SP.

[Malthe]

If people want to we should definitely find a day to create a 5v5 lobby and play some on the US east servers?

Also, Luck is no excuse numero two is out:

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[Corn]

So I got one more Dota 2 key. Anyone want it?

[DarkForgeJ]

So yesterday one person I know recived 4 invitations, today another recived 5 invitations, I am still in 0 ¬¬

EDIT:
Also...

[Dusk]

I got two more invites today. Looks like they're starting to push for large scale.