Exp/Level 1 - 200

[Fiel]

Please post screenshots of KMSers or KMSTers at various levels so that we can have a 1 - 200 EXP chart.

No screenshot means it's not used. If you have something to submit, please use a screenshot and not a personal reference!

Gogogo.

[Hazzy]

Someone on EF has a formula. There's also a Table of 1-58 floating around somewhere. Sec, lemme find them.

Edit1:

Table

http://ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7455

Edit2:

96.74*1.2^level

Assuming 14 ≤ level ≤ 30

http://ellinforest.com/forum/showpos...63&postcount=4

if you put (Level - 5) for the first few levels after 30, it still works out.

http://ellinforest.com/forum/showpos...30&postcount=9



Does it have to be a SS of the mouse over the Exp Bar showing "3/34", or can it be an image that clearly shows the current Exp and a percent that can be divided to get a total, accurate to a few digits?

[Fiel]

Just enough numbers to calc it out. I'd be happy with +- 5.

[Cyanne]

This is what I have so far:

Level 14-29: 96.74*1.2^level
Level 34-38: 96.74*1.2^(level-5)
Level 39-69: 3478.127*1.08^(level-5)

All truncated, but like only three exp values are off by just 1 exp.

[Stereo]

Level 139: 27,780,000 exp tnl
http://i31.tinypic.com/2yyte2q.jpg
Since I'm just working back from the percent listed, here's an outside range:
27,714,327 ~ 27,848,212

[Cyanne]

Edit: Found all the formulas up to level 159. They're a tiny, tiny bit away from exact, just off by 1 experience for a few levels for some reason. Tweaking the constant to fit that level creates problems elsewhere.

Level 1-9: Same as gMS
Level 9-14: 1242
Level 14-29: 96.74*1.2^level
Level 29-34: 19136
Level 34-38: 96.74*1.2^(level-5)
Level 39-69: 3478.127*1.08^(level-5)
Level 69-74: 479143
Level 74-119: 8847.55*1.07^(level-15)
Level 119-123: 10063195
Level 123-159: 8847.55*1.07^(level-20)
Level 160-199: something*1.06^(level-20)
That unknown constant for 160-199 is floating somewhere around 32635.All I'd need to figure it out is for any 160+ kMS player to tell me exactly how much exp is needed to level.

Screenshots used to derive the formulas:

Spoiler

New exp chart, with 160-199 constant estimated at 32635:
Level 1 - 15
Level 2 - 34
Level 3 - 57
Level 4 - 92
Level 5 - 135
Level 6 - 372
Level 7 - 560
Level 8 - 840
Level 9 - 1242
Level 10 - 1242
Level 11 - 1242
Level 12 - 1242
Level 13 - 1242
Level 14 - 1242
Level 15 - 1490
Level 16 - 1788
Level 17 - 2146
Level 18 - 2575
Level 19 - 3090
Level 20 - 3708
Level 21 - 4450
Level 22 - 5340
Level 23 - 6408
Level 24 - 7690
Level 25 - 9228
Level 26 - 11074
Level 27 - 13289
Level 28 - 15947
Level 29 - 19136
Level 30 - 19136
Level 31 - 19136
Level 32 - 19136
Level 33 - 19136
Level 34 - 19136
Level 35 - 22963
Level 36 - 27556
Level 37 - 33067
Level 38 - 39681
Level 39 - 47616
Level 40 - 51425
Level 41 - 55539
Level 42 - 59982
Level 43 - 64781
Level 44 - 69963
Level 45 - 75560
Level 46 - 81605
Level 47 - 88133
Level 48 - 95184
Level 49 - 102799
Level 50 - 111023
Level 51 - 119905
Level 52 - 129497
Level 53 - 139857
Level 54 - 151046
Level 55 - 163129
Level 56 - 176180
Level 57 - 190274
Level 58 - 205496
Level 59 - 221936
Level 60 - 239691
Level 61 - 258866
Level 62 - 279575
Level 63 - 301941
Level 64 - 326097
Level 65 - 352184
Level 66 - 380359
Level 67 - 410788
Level 68 - 443651
Level 69 - 479143
Level 70 - 479143
Level 71 - 479143
Level 72 - 479143
Level 73 - 479143
Level 74 - 479143
Level 75 - 512683
Level 76 - 548571
Level 77 - 586971
Level 78 - 628059
Level 79 - 672024
Level 80 - 719065
Level 81 - 769400
Level 82 - 823258
Level 83 - 880886
Level 84 - 942548
Level 85 - 1008526
Level 86 - 1079123
Level 87 - 1154662
Level 88 - 1235488
Level 89 - 1321972
Level 90 - 1414511
Level 91 - 1513526
Level 92 - 1619473
Level 93 - 1732836
Level 94 - 1854135
Level 95 - 1983924
Level 96 - 2122799
Level 97 - 2271395
Level 98 - 2430393
Level 99 - 2600520
Level 100 - 2782557
Level 101 - 2977336
Level 102 - 3185749
Level 103 - 3408752
Level 104 - 3647365
Level 105 - 3902680
Level 106 - 4175868
Level 107 - 4468179
Level 108 - 4780951
Level 109 - 5115618
Level 110 - 5473711
Level 111 - 5856871
Level 112 - 6266852
Level 113 - 6705531
Level 114 - 7174919
Level 115 - 7677163
Level 116 - 8214565
Level 117 - 8789584
Level 118 - 9404855
Level 119 - 10063195
Level 120 - 10063195
Level 121 - 10063195
Level 122 - 10063195
Level 123 - 10063195
Level 124 - 10063195
Level 125 - 10767619
Level 126 - 11521352
Level 127 - 12327847
Level 128 - 13190796
Level 129 - 14114152
Level 130 - 15102142
Level 131 - 16159292
Level 132 - 17290443
Level 133 - 18500774
Level 134 - 19795828
Level 135 - 21181536
Level 136 - 22664244
Level 137 - 24250741
Level 138 - 25948292
Level 139 - 27764673
Level 140 - 29708200
Level 141 - 31787774
Level 142 - 34012918
Level 143 - 36393823
Level 144 - 38941390
Level 145 - 41667288
Level 146 - 44583998
Level 147 - 47704878
Level 148 - 51044219
Level 149 - 54617315
Level 150 - 58440527
Level 151 - 62531364
Level 152 - 66908559
Level 153 - 71592158
Level 154 - 76603609
Level 155 - 81965862
Level 156 - 87703472
Level 157 - 93842715
Level 158 - 100411706
Level 159 - 107440525
Level 160 - 113895024
Level 161 - 120728726
Level 162 - 127972450
Level 163 - 135650797
Level 164 - 143789844
Level 165 - 152417235
Level 166 - 161562269
Level 167 - 171256005
Level 168 - 181531366
Level 169 - 192423248
Level 170 - 203968643
Level 171 - 216206761
Level 172 - 229179167
Level 173 - 242929917
Level 174 - 257505712
Level 175 - 272956055
Level 176 - 289333418
Level 177 - 306693423
Level 178 - 325095029
Level 179 - 344600730
Level 180 - 365276774
Level 181 - 387193381
Level 182 - 410424983
Level 183 - 435050483
Level 184 - 461153512
Level 185 - 488822722
Level 186 - 518152086
Level 187 - 549241211
Level 188 - 582195683
Level 189 - 617127424
Level 190 - 654155070
Level 191 - 693404374
Level 192 - 735008637
Level 193 - 779109155
Level 194 - 825855704
Level 195 - 875407047
Level 196 - 927931469
Level 197 - 983607358
Level 198 - 1042623799
Level 199 - 1105181227

[RokudoSan]

damn that's sweet...guess I'll be able to try a lot more classes.

[Dusk]

Hm, the curve is quite a bit steeper now. First and second job will be a joke, third job will be about three-four times as fast as it is right now, and fourth job starts out about three times as fast but drops off to just under twice as fast at level 199. This is based off the original exp tables - GMS was already reduced by a factor of 1.25 and I don't see them applying that again to the new tables, at least not initially, so the change won't be as drastic here.

This is all assuming that people will be killing at about the same speed. Exp rates should actually be quite a bit lower for unfunded people who can't take full advantage of potential gear. Exp rates will probably be slightly higher than current for funded people, so funding becomes more important in terms of training speed than it is right now. New players should still be able to level much faster than they do right now and get to a decent level, but they won't be able to experience the full impact of the new curve.

For fourth job training, I'm using exp rates for non-mage classes as the current "standard." So something like 7-12m exp/hr at O4 depending on killing speed seems reasonable, not the 15-20m/hr x 4 that you guys with access to rich Bishop training partners and stuff are used to. Being able to solo a level in a bit under 10 hours on 2x at 164 sounds totally reasonable to me, and I'm looking forward to it.

[Cyanne]

Yeah, the exp to next level curve gets extremely steep due to the formula becoming an exponential function instead of having level be the base of the exponent in the old formula. Here's a comparison between the exp it takes to level post-BB and currently in gMS, with 160-199 values probably being off by a tiny bit, like a few hundred thousand:

Spoiler

Level	New	Current	Percent Decrease
10	1242	1144	-9%
11	1242	1573	21%
12	1242	2144	42%
13	1242	2800	56%
14	1242	3640	66%
15	1490	4700	68%
16	1788	5893	70%
17	2146	7360	71%
18	2575	9144	72%
19	3090	11120	72%
20	3708	13477	72%
21	4450	16268	73%
22	5340	19320	72%
23	6408	22880	72%
24	7690	27008	72%
25	9228	31477	71%
26	11074	36600	70%
27	13289	42444	69%
28	15947	48720	67%
29	19136	55813	66%
30	19136	63800	70%
31	19136	86784	78%
32	19136	98208	81%
33	19136	110932	83%
34	19136	124432	85%
35	22963	139372	84%
36	27556	155865	82%
37	33067	173280	81%
38	39681	192400	79%
39	47616	213345	78%
40	51425	235372	78%
41	55539	259392	79%
42	59982	285532	79%
43	64781	312928	79%
44	69963	342624	80%
45	75560	374760	80%
46	81605	408336	80%
47	88133	445544	80%
48	95184	483532	80%
49	102799	524160	80%
50	111023	567772	80%
51	119905	598886	80%
52	129497	631704	80%
53	139857	666321	79%
54	151046	702836	79%
55	163129	741351	78%
56	176180	781976	77%
57	190274	824828	77%
58	205496	870028	76%
59	221936	917625	76%
60	239691	967995	75%
61	258866	1021041	75%
62	279575	1076994	74%
63	301941	1136013	73%
64	326097	1198266	73%
65	352184	1263930	72%
66	380359	1333194	71%
67	410788	1406252	71%
68	443651	1483314	70%
69	479143	1564600	69%
70	479143	1650340	71%
71	479143	1740778	72%
72	479143	1836173	74%
73	479143	1936794	75%
74	479143	2042930	77%
75	512683	2154882	76%
76	548571	2272970	76%
77	586971	2397528	76%
78	628059	2528912	75%
79	672024	2667496	75%
80	719065	2813674	74%
81	769400	2967863	74%
82	823258	3130502	74%
83	880886	3302053	73%
84	942548	3483005	73%
85	1008526	3673873	73%
86	1079123	3875201	72%
87	1154662	4087562	72%
88	1235488	4311559	71%
89	1321972	4547832	71%
90	1414511	4797053	71%
91	1513526	5059931	70%
92	1619473	5337215	70%
93	1732836	5629694	69%
94	1854135	5938202	69%
95	1983924	6263614	68%
96	2122799	6606860	68%
97	2271395	6968915	67%
98	2430393	7350811	67%
99	2600520	7753635	66%
100	2782557	8178534	66%
101	2977336	8626718	65%
102	3185749	9099462	65%
103	3408752	9598112	64%
104	3647365	10124088	64%
105	3902680	10678888	63%
106	4175868	11264090	63%
107	4468179	11881362	62%
108	4780951	12532461	62%
109	5115618	13219239	61%
110	5473711	13943653	61%
111	5856871	14707765	60%
112	6266852	15513750	60%
113	6705531	16363902	59%
114	7174919	17260644	58%
115	7677163	18206527	58%
116	8214565	19204245	57%
117	8789584	20256637	57%
118	9404855	21366700	56%
119	10063195	22537594	55%
120	10063195	23772654	58%
121	10063195	25075395	60%
122	10063195	26449526	62%
123	10063195	27898960	64%
124	10063195	29427822	66%
125	10767619	31040466	65%
126	11521352	32741483	65%
127	12327847	34535716	64%
128	13190796	36428273	64%
129	14114152	38424542	63%
130	15102142	40530206	63%
131	16159292	42751262	62%
132	17290443	45094030	62%
133	18500774	47565183	61%
134	19795828	50171755	61%
135	21181536	52921167	60%
136	22664244	55821246	59%
137	24250741	58880250	59%
138	25948292	62106888	58%
139	27764673	65510344	58%
140	29708200	69100311	57%
141	31787774	72887008	56%
142	34012918	76881216	56%
143	36393823	81094306	55%
144	38941390	85594273	55%
145	41667288	90225770	54%
146	44583998	95170142	53%
147	47704878	100385466	52%
148	51044219	105886589	52%
149	54617315	111689174	51%
150	58440527	117809740	50%
151	62531364	124265714	50%
152	66908559	131075474	49%
153	71592158	138258410	48%
154	76603609	145834970	47%
155	81965862	153826726	47%
156	87703472	162256430	46%
157	93842715	171148082	45%
158	100411706	180526997	44%
159	107440525	190419876	44%
160	113895024	200854885	43%
161	120728726	211861732	43%
162	127972450	223471711	43%
163	135650797	223471711	39%
164	143789844	248635353	42%
165	152417235	262260570	42%
166	161562269	276632449	42%
167	171256005	291791906	41%
168	181531366	307782102	41%
169	192423248	324648562	41%
170	203968643	342439302	40%
171	216206761	361204976	40%
172	229179167	380999008	40%
173	242929917	401877754	40%
174	257505712	423900654	39%
175	272956055	447130410	39%
176	289333418	471633156	39%
177	306693423	497478653	38%
178	325095029	524740482	38%
179	344600730	553496261	38%
180	365276774	583827855	37%
181	387193381	615821622	37%
182	410424983	649568646	37%
183	435050483	685165008	37%
184	461153512	722712050	36%
185	488822722	762316670	36%
186	518152086	804091623	36%
187	549241211	848155844	35%
188	582195683	894634784	35%
189	617127424	943660770	35%
190	654155070	995373379	34%
191	693404374	1049919840	34%
192	735008637	1107455447	34%
193	779109155	1168144006	33%
194	825855704	1232158297	33%
195	875407047	1299680571	33%
196	927931469	1370903066	32%
197	983607358	1446028554	32%
198	1042623799	1525246918	32%
199	1105181227	1608855764	31%

Overall decrease: 37.58%
1st job decrease: 68.76%
2nd job decrease: 75.42%
3rd job decrease: 63.11%
4th job decrease: 37.21%

Looks like with the removal of party 2x exp, it seems like it'd actually be even HARDER to level up now in 4th job, assuming the changes in monster hp/exp is consistent with the massive damage upgrades in regards to exp rate. Also, more trivia: post-big bang, the exp it takes to do 199 -> 200 is higher than the exp it takes to do 1 -> 153.

[Dusk]

Harder...assuming you're constantly training on 2x rep. I'm on 1x most of the time, this is great :|

[Kabanaw]

But then we also need to reconsider damage and training places before we can come up with training speeds.

[Kalovale]

I'm too cheap to afford 2x/4x EXP as well, yay me.

But then we also need to reconsider damage and training places before we can come up with training speeds.

Regardless of damage, 2hit would likely be optimal killing speed for training before running-for-champion. From the looks of it though, everyone needs to have their ranges tripled at around 4th job to train efficiently.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

Isn't the family rep just a 1.5 bonus instead of complete removal? (x1 bonus)

[IllegallySane]

Isn't the family rep just a 1.5 bonus instead of complete removal? (x1 bonus)

1.2, or 20%. Don't remember where, but it was referenced by Arroz to be 1.2 only.

[Jon]

1.2, or 20%. Don't remember where, but it was referenced by Arroz to be 1.2 only.

Yes, it's only 1.2x now (which is the same as a 20% bonus).

[buddyseeker]

Fiel, I think this thread might help you. Try view at the last few posts...
http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18

Here are some things where we can roughly calculate from the image?
EXP to level up = EXP (displayed in image) / ((percentage +0.04/-0.05)*100)

This is due to round up to 2nd decimal places in percentage. Example : If the percentage from the image displayed 0.03% it means between 0.025% to 0.034%

[Herborist]

Looks like with the removal of party 2x exp, it seems like it'd actually be even HARDER to level up now in 4th job, assuming the changes in monster hp/exp is consistent with the massive damage upgrades in regards to exp rate. Also, more trivia: post-big bang, the exp it takes to do 199 -> 200 is higher than the exp it takes to do 1 -> 153.

Wouldn't it be easier since there are a lot more high level training locations now? I've seen videos/images of people training el nath quite well - the spawn stayed the same, but the EXP went up.

In any case, I think that training overall will become easier, and not just because of the lowered EXP req's, but because of all the new training spots available. People don't have to huddle at time temple or skeles to train. Finally a change of scenery!

[Dusk]

Wouldn't it be easier since there are a lot more high level training locations now? I've seen videos/images of people training el nath quite well - the spawn stayed the same, but the EXP went up.

In any case, I think that training overall will become easier, and not just because of the lowered EXP req's, but because of all the new training spots available. People don't have to huddle at time temple or skeles to train. Finally a change of scenery!

...what training locations? I don't see anything comparable to O4 except O2/O3; in other words, Oblivion will still be crowded as hell. We'll get some of the 13xs and 14xs pushed out of Oblivion, but now that you can't spam ultimates, Skeles popularity is going to take a hit and Oblivion will be even more crowded.

Nobody's going to train at El Nath when they can train at Oblivion. Zombies give less exp than Newties.

[IllegallySane]

...what training locations? I don't see anything comparable to O4 except O2/O3; in other words, Oblivion will still be crowded as hell. We'll get some of the 13xs and 14xs pushed out of Oblivion, but now that you can't spam ultimates, Skeles popularity is going to take a hit and Oblivion will be even more crowded.

Nobody's going to train at El Nath when they can train at Oblivion. Zombies give less exp than Newties.

Except Oblivion is deep deep down. We can only hope due to higher monster levels and due to lazy Maplers that Oblivion stays safe post Big Bang. There are way more 13x to 15x than there are 16x+ and thanks to accuracy being level based means even being several levels below will greatly annoy players when they see over half their hits miss.

[Beg]

Oblivion 5 is feasible post-revamp also. Lyka has what, 4.1m HP now? Can be finished off in less than a minute with all the damage boosts. Hardly affects EXP gain at all any more.