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[hadriel]

A shield can potentially have WA scrolled onto it and chaos-ed, while a Rosary will only have specific stats. At the upper funding limit, that's about 20WA difference, but then again 2H weapons have a slight WA advantage, so that goes down to about 10WA difference (to the advantage of a 1H+shield).

The 2H multiplier is 10% greater than a 1H. With an equal amount of WA, you will ALWAYS do 10% more damage with a 2H than 1H per attack.

With a few notable exceptions such as Stonetooth Sword (which has a base WA of 101 only, whereas a Loveless has a base of 147), most 2H swords are Normal(6), and most 1H swords are Fast(5). With booster they go down to speed stages 4 and 3 respectively. The moment you have DSI or +1IAS from Azwan inner ability, you will hit the speed cap unless you use the Green potion from MPE, so I will still consider those factors.

A Paladin's 3 main attacking skills are: Blast, [F/I/L/H] Charge, and Heaven's Hammer. Their skill delays are 840ms, 810ms and 2760ms respectively. The attack speed formula is as follows:

Actual Delay = Roundtonearest30ms{(10 + speedstage)/16 * basedelay}

So the following table will show you the increase in number of hits per unit time if you upgrade from a 2H sword to a 1H sword, at the various starting speed stages. Stage 4 is with booster only, then -1 for DSI, -1 for IAS inner ability, -1 for MPE Green potion (cap break).

2H speed stage	1H speed stage	Blast	Charges	HH
4	3	8.70%	9.09%	8.00%
3	2	9.52%	10.00%	8.70%
2	1	10.53%	5.26%	9.52%
1	0	5.56%	11.76%	8.62%

In bold are the DPS increases that are close to 10%, in that you need to have 1% more WA (fully buffed and all) or more for a 1H weapon to be equivalent or superior to a 2H. Those in italics require 2% more WA or more, and those in normal text require 4-4.5% more WA.

Here's an example: you have a total of 500WA fully buffed when using a 2H weapon and you don't have any other boosters (no DSI blah blah, no green pot). Your speed stage is 4 with booster only. If you were to switch over to a 1H weapon, you will need (using exact numbers here from calculations) 1.19% more WA for the 1H Blast to match a 2H Blast in DPS i.e. you need 506WA in total. Similarly, you need 0.83% more WA for your Charges (505WA), and 1.82% for Heaven's Hammer (510WA).

I hope you find this helpful, as do everyone else who has the same problem.

Hadriel

[ShinkuDragon]

A shield can potentially have WA scrolled onto it and chaos-ed, while a Rosary will only have specific stats. At the upper funding limit, that's about 20WA difference, but then again 2H weapons have a slight WA advantage, so that goes down to about 10WA difference (to the advantage of a 1H+shield).

The 2H multiplier is 10% greater than a 1H. With an equal amount of WA, you will ALWAYS do 10% more damage with a 2H than 1H per attack.

Hadriel

don't forget that at the upper funding limit, 2handers can also get a few extra attack due to getting to new enhance tiers faster. so the attack difference between a scrolled shield and a rosary is indeed quite small usually.

[hadriel]

Actually, I need to add something on.

Before any 30ms-rounding function, the DPS increase increases with each successive speed step increase.

Look at it this way: skill delay function has (10 + x) / 16 in it, so DPS increase simply reduces to (10 + x) / (10 + x') where x' is the new speed stage. So 13/12 --> 12/11 --> 11/10 --> 10/9 as DPS increments are extremely significant (8.3% --> 9.1% --> 10% --> 11.1%).

The 30ms ceiling function screws things up, obviously, but that also implies that for some steps the DPS increase is smaller, and then for some steps the DPS increase to the next is tremendous. It also implies that for skill delays below a base of 16*30 = 480ms (480ms gives a steady increase like that just described because the ceiling function always returns the same number), there may be some steps that offer no DPS increase.

Hadriel

[fakeNoob]

Spoiler

A shield can potentially have WA scrolled onto it and chaos-ed, while a Rosary will only have specific stats. At the upper funding limit, that's about 20WA difference, but then again 2H weapons have a slight WA advantage, so that goes down to about 10WA difference (to the advantage of a 1H+shield).

The 2H multiplier is 10% greater than a 1H. With an equal amount of WA, you will ALWAYS do 10% more damage with a 2H than 1H per attack.

With a few notable exceptions such as Stonetooth Sword (which has a base WA of 101 only, whereas a Loveless has a base of 147), most 2H swords are Normal(6), and most 1H swords are Fast(5). With booster they go down to speed stages 4 and 3 respectively. The moment you have DSI or +1IAS from Azwan inner ability, you will hit the speed cap unless you use the Green potion from MPE, so I will still consider those factors.

A Paladin's 3 main attacking skills are: Blast, [F/I/L/H] Charge, and Heaven's Hammer. Their skill delays are 840ms, 810ms and 2760ms respectively. The attack speed formula is as follows:

Actual Delay = Roundtonearest30ms{(10 + speedstage)/16 * basedelay}

So the following table will show you the increase in number of hits per unit time if you upgrade from a 2H sword to a 1H sword, at the various starting speed stages. Stage 4 is with booster only, then -1 for DSI, -1 for IAS inner ability, -1 for MPE Green potion (cap break).

2H speed stage	1H speed stage	Blast	Charges	HH
4	3	8.70%	9.09%	8.00%
3	2	9.52%	10.00%	8.70%
2	1	10.53%	5.26%	9.52%
1	0	5.56%	11.76%	8.62%

In bold are the DPS increases that are close to 10%, in that you need to have 1% more WA (fully buffed and all) or more for a 1H weapon to be equivalent or superior to a 2H. Those in italics require 2% more WA or more, and those in normal text require 4-4.5% more WA.

Here's an example: you have a total of 500WA fully buffed when using a 2H weapon and you don't have any other boosters (no DSI blah blah, no green pot). Your speed stage is 4 with booster only. If you were to switch over to a 1H weapon, you will need (using exact numbers here from calculations) 1.19% more WA for the 1H Blast to match a 2H Blast in DPS i.e. you need 506WA in total. Similarly, you need 0.83% more WA for your Charges (505WA), and 1.82% for Heaven's Hammer (510WA).

I hope you find this helpful, as do everyone else who has the same problem.

Hadriel

So basically as long as you have ~5% more attack 1h than 2h your DPS will still be higher with blast? Seems somewhat reasonable but then again that leaves me needing about a 30watk shield if I were to get an equal watk 2h sword =/

[hadriel]

Spoiler

So basically as long as you have ~5% more attack 1h than 2h your DPS will still be higher with blast? Seems somewhat reasonable but then again that leaves me needing about a 30watk shield if I were to get an equal watk 2h sword =/

That is approximately true but very difficult to attain. That is akin to PChaosing a WA shield up till +9, with each chaos giving at least +4. It is an extremely costly method in terms of using Return Scrolls.

Hadriel

[SaptaZapta]

That is approximately true but very difficult to attain. That is akin to PChaosing a WA shield up till +9, with each chaos giving at least +4. It is an extremely costly method in terms of using Return Scrolls.

Hadriel

And even that 30 attack shield won't be enough once you get your overall attack over 600 - as you are sure to, given the way the power creep in this game is going.

[fakeNoob]

And even that 30 attack shield won't be enough once you get your overall attack over 600 - as you are sure to, given the way the power creep in this game is going.

Sadly that is true but I think i'm just going to use a 1h sword simply because I love how it looks compared to 2h and I already have a decent 1h so it saves money buying a new sword for now.

[XcodArc]

This might not be a good question but someone please evaluate these two potentials: Assuming Zero only has Lapis & Lapuzi pot'ed, no link skill, character card, between (20% str + 14% total damage + 14% att) and (20% att + 16% crit rate + 30% ignore def) (I doubled their value since they are identical), which potential is better?
Thanks in advance :D

[Niernen]

This might not be a good question but someone please evaluate these two potentials: Assuming Zero only has Lapis & Lapuzi pot'ed, no link skill, character card, between (20% str + 14% total damage + 14% att) and (20% att + 16% crit rate + 30% ignore def) (I doubled their value since they are identical), which potential is better?
Thanks in advance :D

Do you have values for current str, att, crt and ignore? Beta would probably benefit from the crit and ignore (alpha has higher). I would guess the second would be better, but someone might want to do the math to make sure.

[XcodArc]

Do you have values for current str, att, crt and ignore? Beta would probably benefit from the crit and ignore (alpha has higher). I would guess the second would be better, but someone might want to do the math to make sure.

My current stats, excluded potential from weapons:

	Alpha	Beta
Str	1318	1318
ATT	371	429
Crit	60%	20%
Ignore	82%	32%

Using the second pot, Alpha will have 100% crit rate if his buff stacked 8 times, Beta will have more crit rate too. I'm wondering if more crit rate and ignore defense can made up for the loss of %str and total damage of the previous pot.

[syj]

(Kaiser)
Since I had legendary ability before the change to the system I'm considering using those NX circs in hopes of rolling something like +1 attack speed or whatever the % crit line is (if anyone knows the value it would help out a ton). I have 65% crit without dSE which I plan to get later down the line. I also have a Zero Gratias ring that I might equip over a non gollux 3rd tier ring available for use too, which would boost my crit rate to 72%

[Pearly]

I hope there are still people lurking around in this section


This is demon slayer's question. How do they actually calculate metamorphosis ignore duration?

Default meta duration: 180sec
Meta ignore duration: 20% * 180 sec = 36sec

I have 19% buff duration inner ability right now
Supposed meta ignore duration: 119% * 36sec = 42sec

Correct?

I tested the ignore duration in game and I got 50 sec. Did it another time and it still gave me 50 sec. I have no mechanic card for even longer buff duration.

Nothing to complain, but is there something I'm missing here?

[Justin]

Check your traits. Is your empathy of a decent level? That could potentially make a difference, and there's also server lag that tends to add onto the duration of buffs and such as well.

[NotMyGear]

I hope there are still people lurking around in this section


This is demon slayer's question. How do they actually calculate metamorphosis ignore duration?

Default meta duration: 180sec
Meta ignore duration: 20% * 180 sec = 36sec

I have 19% buff duration inner ability right now
Supposed meta ignore duration: 119% * 36sec = 42sec

Correct?

I tested the ignore duration in game and I got 50 sec. Did it another time and it still gave me 50 sec. I have no mechanic card for even longer buff duration.

Nothing to complain, but is there something I'm missing here?

Original 180 sec, so 20% of 180 is = 36 sec, that's right.
19% + 180 = 214.2, 20% of that is 42 sec indeed, your math are all correct
The reason why you're getting 8 second is probably server latency problem, I sometimes ignore 55 sec, sometimes 60 sec depending on server stability.

[Pearly]

Check your traits. Is your empathy of a decent level? That could potentially make a difference, and there's also server lag that tends to add onto the duration of buffs and such as well.

Does empathy give anything other than MaxMP and quest exp bonus?

I'm from msea. Our patch lags far behind you guys. We haven't even had RED. Is there any extra thing added to traits? Which patch?

[Justin]

Does empathy give anything other than MaxMP and quest exp bonus?

I'm from msea. Our patch lags far behind you guys. We haven't even had RED. Is there any extra thing added to traits? Which patch?

Oh, I didn't realize what server you played in. Empathy after RED (I think?) gives buff duration %.

[Pearly]

@Justin
I see. What's the % like?


@NotMyGear
Thank you. Is yours a total of 19% buff duration too?

[CakesXD]

@Justin
I see. What's the % like?

10% at level 100 Empathy, so 1% per 10 levels.

[Marcellow]

My main character is a Dawn Warrior so should I use 1-H or 2-H swords?

[kayeyearekay]

You & I: The Seed: Kaiser

Attack Mode 1st Enhancement: attack boost has been increased from 5 to 10, boss damage has been increased from 2% to 5%
Attack Mode 2nd Enhancement: attack boost has been increased from 10 to 15, boss damage has been increased from 2% to 5%
Attack Mode 3rd Enhancement: attack boost has been increased from 10 to 15, boss damage has been increased from 3% to 5%
Final Transfiguration Final Figuration: damage boost has been increased from 15% to 20% (4th job mode has been increased from 30% to 50%)
Morph Gauge required for Final Figuration 2 and 3 has been decreased
Gigaslasher Gigaslasher: damage has been increased from 220% to 330%, Final Figuration mode’s damage has been increased from 220% to 280%
Final Trans: damage boost has been increased from 30% to 50%
http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/...ou-i-the-seed/

according to this update, UGW (untransformed gigas wave) is much stronger than final transform, but transformed damage increased as well.
rough-dirty estimate;
UGW increase 50%
TGW increase ~30% and final form increase 20% = ~50%

Question:the attack speed difference means that untransformed dps/dpm is still stronger (larger) than transformed?
i hate that transforming is mostly useless. right now i only use it for teleporting while attacking, and atk through damage reflect
@JoeTang; when can we expect tables to reflect future updates?

sometimes i feel like the only one still standing behind kaiser and everyone else jumped to stronger warriors