Israel invades the gaza strip.

[FrozNlite]

I say we just send in the US motha fking Navy, park a carrier outside, and threaten to blow them both up if they don't stop

A+ attitude.

What Rick said. The United States (or anyone but the United Nations, for that matter) isn't and shouldn't be the world's police.

[DrRusty]

What Rick said. The United States (or anyone but the United Nations, for that matter) isn't and shouldn't be the world's police.

The other option being let them kill each other

[MrTouchnGo]

(saw these on Reddit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTEDVC5ZqPA (How Does the IDF Minimize Harm to Palestinian Civilians in Gaza?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPGHfTrgkgY (IDF Drops Warning Leaflets Over Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip)

map of Hamas' rocket launching site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHQTDlhIdc (Así actúa el terrorismo palestino: Escudos humanos --> Palestinian Terror Acts: Human Shields)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vHDyuSTneA (Cast Lead Video: Hamas Terrorist uses Children as Human Shield)

[snowie72]

I know one can only hope for peace in a situation like this.. but I honestly feel like this will escalate into a huge military campaign against Hamas and Iran. Which I honestly believe will be best thing to do, which almost everyone can see is inevitable. Cut off the snakes head(Iranian government) and cut off the main supply of weapons to the terrorist groups then mow them down like vermin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20372920

Seems to me they're preparing the onslaught now, 75,000 Reservists troops.. it seems unlikely that these are just tactics, more like training them for a bigger campaign..

[ImagineAll]

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral. Returning violence with violence only multiplies violence. Adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.

The problem with the US getting involved is that it would only further violence, and in fact would likely escalate things. The Middle East is already a tumultuous environment. The only involvement the US should have is to broker peace between the two of them. So while you're suggestion @DrRusty might seem like a move necessary by the only super power capable of interceding, it's too risky of a move in a region that is ready to implode.

[SaptaZapta]

I say we just send in the US motha fking Navy, park a carrier outside, and threaten to blow them both up if they don't stop

Oh? Do tell. How will you blow Hamas up enough to make them stop, when Israel has been unable to?

Israel has the military might to turn all of Gaza into smoking ruins. Not even necessarily radioactive ruins. The reason it keeps failing to stop Hamas for any length of time is not lack of power but a surplus of conscience. Like, trying to avoid hurting noncombatants.

Actually, maybe you're right. The USA is not required to live up to the same humanitarian standards as Israel. Nobody but Israel is required to live up to those standards. Maybe Hamas will actually back down in the face of your carrier, knowing that.

[snowie72]

The problem with the US getting involved is that it would only further violence, and in fact would likely escalate things. The Middle East is already a tumultuous environment. The only involvement the US should have is to broker peace between the two of them.

I'm 99% sure Hamas wouldn't even consider negotiating with the US.. Everything else has failed over the years, the only way to beat terrorism is by sterilizing it...

[ImagineAll]

I'm 99% sure Hamas wouldn't even consider negotiating with the US.. Everything else has failed over the years, the only way to beat terrorism is by sterilizing it...

Really? Because last I checked terrorism has never been sterilized, and never has gone away. Despite our best wishes, terrorism will never die out. It flourishes because of the belief that we can extinguish it simply by destroying it.

[snowie72]

Do you not think terrorism hasn't been subdued post-911? At least in the western countries.

[KhainiWest]

Yeah, I thought that nuking the entire area and drilling the glass for oil was the best solution too, when I was 14.

[Words]

Subdued? Perhaps. Sterilized? Not if people keep trying to "fix it" with violence. Violence doesn't fix what's broken. Terrorism, in most cases, isn't the cause of all trouble. Terrorism is the result of social issues that make people go nuts.
Real help's something the US can't do in most of the cases I know of, so they'll keep half-assing it and use violence one way or another everywhere they meddle.
Isn't part of the real problem that's causing all this xenophobia or some sort of intolerant stance from both parties? I can't see the US having the moral high-ground to preach it. So, if they do decide to meddle, it will be done in the only way they can: violence.

Edit: Also, what's up with the double negatives in this thread? o.o

[snowie72]

Subdued? Perhaps. Sterilized? Not if people keep trying to "fix it" with violence. Violence doesn't fix what's broken. Terrorism, in most cases, isn't the cause of all trouble. Terrorism is the result of social issues that make people go nuts.
Real help's something the US can't do in most of the cases I know of, so they'll keep half-assing it and use violence one way or another everywhere they meddle.
Isn't part of the real problem that's causing all this xenophobia or some sort of intolerant stance from both parties? I can't see the US having the moral high-ground to preach it. So, if they do decide to meddle, it will be done in the only way they can: violence.

Edit: Also, what's up with the double negatives in this thread? o.o

I honestly have no idea how the violence can stop in Gaza without trust.. because Israel cannot truly commit to peace with terrorists running around with Iranian funded weapons unsettling the two neighbors.

[MuscleWizard]

The other option being let them kill each other

We're not the world's police, and it's incredibly pomegranatety of us to act like we are.

[DrRusty]

We're not the world's police, and it's incredibly pomegranatety of us to act like we are.

I'm all for letting them blow each other up.

[Sardines]

Jesus ****ing christ.

[ImagineAll]

We're not the world's police, and it's incredibly pomegranatety of us to act like we are.

I'm going to flip flop a little bit here on what I said before, but realize I'm merely asking a question (not just to you, but everyone else as well). What makes an American life worth more than an Israeli or a Palestinian life? If we have the capacity and the means to aid in the situation are we not under a moral obligation to intercede? Does the buck stop at only providing aid to our own citizens? As much as I am opposed to the idea of us policing every little issue in the world, are we also just expected to sit idle while thousands upon thousands of innocents are killed?

Food for thought.

[SaptaZapta]

I'm going to flip flop a little bit here on what I said before, but realize I'm merely asking a question (not just to you, but everyone else as well). What makes an American life worth more than an Israeli or a Palestinian life? If we have the capacity and the means to aid in the situation are we not under a moral obligation to intercede? Does the buck stop at only providing aid to our own citizens? As much as I am opposed to the idea of us policing every little issue in the world, are we also just expected to sit idle while thousands upon thousands of innocents are killed?

Food for thought.

I am going to skip the moral and philosophical questions, and go straight to the practical:

Suppose you are willing to risk American lives in order to put a stop to the Arab-Israeli conflict in general, and the current operation in particular. How would you go about it?

[MrTouchnGo]

I'm going to flip flop a little bit here on what I said before, but realize I'm merely asking a question (not just to you, but everyone else as well). What makes an American life worth more than an Israeli or a Palestinian life? If we have the capacity and the means to aid in the situation are we not under a moral obligation to intercede? Does the buck stop at only providing aid to our own citizens? As much as I am opposed to the idea of us policing every little issue in the world, are we also just expected to sit idle while thousands upon thousands of innocents are killed?

Food for thought.

We're not sitting idly by though, the administration is actively seeking ways to de-escalate tensions through diplomatic means (that doesn't seem to be working, unfortunately).

I think (I'm not too well-informed on the alliances that Middle Eastern - or, well, any countries, really - are involved in) that if the US were to actively ship troops to fight Israel's fight, other Middle Eastern countries may join in on Hamas' behalf and escalate the conflict even further.

[DeanNim]

I'm 99% sure Hamas wouldn't even consider negotiating with the US.. Everything else has failed over the years, the only way to beat terrorism is by sterilizing it...

you sir, are retarded.

Subdued? Perhaps. Sterilized? Not if people keep trying to "fix it" with violence. Violence doesn't fix what's broken. Terrorism, in most cases, isn't the cause of all trouble. Terrorism is the result of social issues that make people go nuts.
Real help's something the US can't do in most of the cases I know of, so they'll keep half-assing it and use violence one way or another everywhere they meddle.
Isn't part of the real problem that's causing all this xenophobia or some sort of intolerant stance from both parties? I can't see the US having the moral high-ground to preach it. So, if they do decide to meddle, it will be done in the only way they can: violence.

thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth. hamas wouldnt be doing what he is doing to the pomegranatehole we call israel if it had never existed in the first place.

bottom-line is : anyone who is pro-israel is retarded and need to start accessing the situation and the root cause better.

[SaptaZapta]

you sir, are retarded.



thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth. hamas wouldnt be doing what he is doing to the pomegranatehole we call israel if it had never existed in the first place.

bottom-line is : anyone who is pro-israel is retarded and need to start accessing the situation and the root cause better.

I see. So the Arab Muslims have a right to 22 states extending from the Atlantic (North Africa) to the Pacific (Malaysia), and absolutely must have one more. But the Jews do not have a right to self-rule in even the tiny strip of land their forefathers have lived in for 4000 years. Yes, that makes perfect sense.