RED update thoughts and feedback

[Razmos]

13 attempts at sweetwater items today (12 times killing Grosso Polpo, once killing Litvayan) and got absolutely nothing.
You people who got items on the first try and think the drop rate is too high can go and shove it up your ass, to put it politely.

I encountered an... Issue on my trades today. A Monster Life monster spawned underneath this ship (I only noticed because my Kanna's Blackhearted Curse was hitting it) and it counted towards the monster wave I was currently fighting, so it wouldn't move on until it was dead. it was okay because my Kanna has a bunch of ultimates, but it's meh regardless because if someone can't kill it it is going to mess up the entire voyage.

[CakesXD]

Exiting Bingo, when suddenly:



sigh

[SaptaZapta]

that goddamn jump quest with the conveyor belts and the stirges in the tynerum quest line

I know, right?
I had to farm the fragments by bits and pieces, some runs only managing to reach the first box, some making it halfway.
Well, at least they left that possibility in. If I thought I had to complete it to continue, I'd have given up on the entire Gollux notion (and eventually Commerci as well).

[Mazz]

Do drop rates work?

I should have like 12 times as many equips as you guys if they do lol

I don't have any.

I'm beginning to think they don't. There is a slight delay after the items appear when you kill the boss, I've been doing all my runs on ~14x drop or something and haven't found anything interesting, and on 0x drop rate I get pretty much the same stuff. A Superior Item Crystal, maybe a Cubic thingy if I'm lucky, but no SW equips.

[Melbourne]

Exiting Bingo, when suddenly:



sigh

It shouldn't really matter should it? If they simply AFK through 10 games, doesn't that make it easier for legitimate people to win?

[Mazz]

I posted about an invisible monster being in the map with Grosso; it's possible that thing dies and drops stuff without droprate buffs.

Pretty sure this is the case, just tried it myself (notice the meso hitting something inside the ship)

[Razmos]

Pretty sure this is the case, just tried it myself (notice the meso hitting something inside the ship)

I dunno, when that monster life monster was down there and it died, I could see the item it dropped even though I couldn't see the monster itself. So I think that if the "invisible monster" did drop items, we would be able to see them.

The invisible monster seems to be the tentacles hit box, since I'm not sure you are actually supposed to be able to hit the tentacles, but they are supposed to be able to hit you.

[SaptaZapta]

I dunno, when that monster life monster was down there and it died, I could see the item it dropped even though I couldn't see the monster itself. So I think that if the "invisible monster" did drop items, we would be able to see them.

And we do. Its drops are what we take to be Grosso Polpo's drops. But because it dies without you hitting it (?), it's not affected by drop multipliers. Or something.

[Stereo]

Pretty sure this is the case, just tried it myself (notice the meso hitting something inside the ship)

Actually I changed my mind in that regard :P I looked at the extractions and there are 3 parts
Grosso Polpo <-- lv.160 head and small tentacles (visible to the right)
Grosso Polpo <-- lv.109 just the big front tentacles
Grosso Polpo (Dummy) <-- lv.160 no visible sprite

Second one's probably the invincible thing down there. Livyatin has the same deal of being 2 parts, but his invisible one is level 10.

[Razmos]

And we do. Its drops are what we take to be Grosso Polpo's drops. But because it dies without you hitting it (?), it's not affected by drop multipliers. Or something.

Why would the drops be tied to the tentacles hitbox though and not the actual boss itself? I'm more inclined to believe that Grosso Polpo does drop the items itself, but it has a different system of dropping compared to other bosses. (hence why we only get 1 item from it and some mesos).

[tecul1]

Got Zero to 170 yesterday. Did my first 1m line. Wish I had an SE neb for my gloves that have SI on them.

I did quests that I skipped from other regions for lols, so that prob slowed be down :P

Beta is too good. I used Beta from 100 because random teleporting = ew and I've just grown accustomed to her ever since.

Alhpa's mobility is ridiculous, though. Combo 2 -> Combo 3 is delicious. And I have no idea how to use Combo 4 lol.

Finished all of the quests up to Edelstein. Will is the epitome of a pomegranate. Mastermind my feces.

So is ranking up Lapis/Lazuli, although with quest booster I didn't have THAT much WP, around 60k or so, but come on, still rare?

And I still have to get my secondary Zero to 180 before it's quest booster expires too. And attendance. At least I'm on break :]

[Tigeon]

Got Zero to 170 yesterday. Did my first 1m line. Wish I had an SE neb for my gloves that have SI on them.

I did quests that I skipped from other regions for lols, so that prob slowed be down :P

Beta is too good. I used Beta from 100 because random teleporting = ew and I've just grown accustomed to her ever since.

Alhpa's mobility is ridiculous, though. Combo 2 -> Combo 3 is delicious. And I have no idea how to use Combo 4 lol.

Finished all of the quests up to Edelstein. Will is the epitome of a pomegranate. Mastermind my feces.

So is ranking up Lapis/Lazuli, although with quest booster I didn't have THAT much WP, around 60k or so, but come on, still rare?

And I still have to get my secondary Zero to 180 before it's quest booster expires too. And attendance. At least I'm on break :]

Wait so multiple zero's on an account can give coins?

Or do you mean a second account which you bought a second quest booster?

[Haishiro]

I need to quadruple my damage to be able to kill Livy

That being said, not sure if I should keep trading to Herb Town (which takes a lot more time) to progress or just keep farming on the trip to Rosa.

[tecul1]

Wait so multiple zero's on an account can give coins?

Or do you mean a second account which you bought a second quest booster?

Second account w/ booster (bought yesterday to quicken opening Hot time box lol), although I will be testing for another Zero on the same account on a mule that already got the chapter 1 box.

[Lazershock]

So I have to ask a few questions
1.) I know Grosso and Livyatan have seperate versions with MUCH higher hp, has anyone encountered said versions thus far? If so what trade route have you encountered them on (Its probably safe to assume they have much higher chances to drop the items)

2.) Whats the general consensus on the drop rate of the weaker ones anyway, somewhat rare, or in the middle? I've heard of people either getting them really often, or not getting them at all so im curious.

Edit: if what everyone has been saying about the boss not being affected by drop rate is true; that would be very interesting

[MountLag]

Why would the drops be tied to the tentacles hitbox though and not the actual boss itself? I'm more inclined to believe that Grosso Polpo does drop the items itself, but it has a different system of dropping compared to other bosses. (hence why we only get 1 item from it and some mesos).

The Pink Bean dummy in the middle of the map sometimes drops items when you kill a wave of statues at PB.

[dowie]

Got Zero to 170 yesterday. Did my first 1m line. Wish I had an SE neb for my gloves that have SI on them.

I did quests that I skipped from other regions for lols, so that prob slowed be down :P

Beta is too good. I used Beta from 100 because random teleporting = ew and I've just grown accustomed to her ever since.

Alhpa's mobility is ridiculous, though. Combo 2 -> Combo 3 is delicious. And I have no idea how to use Combo 4 lol.

Finished all of the quests up to Edelstein. Will is the epitome of a pomegranate. Mastermind my feces.

So is ranking up Lapis/Lazuli, although with quest booster I didn't have THAT much WP, around 60k or so, but come on, still rare?

And I still have to get my secondary Zero to 180 before it's quest booster expires too. And attendance. At least I'm on break :]

I liked to usually dash forward slash , then do his somersault combo which groups them up, then do the tornados. Usually kills everything. If i felt like it I' d use betas whirlwind because thats some insane grouping. Well seems market is flooded with equips in renegades. Apparently the exploit allows for infinite red coins so unlimited scrolls/cubes

[IllegallySane]

For Zero, does the "Change Potential" button essentially work the same as Cubes, where there's a chance it can upgrade from Rare tier to Epic -> Unique -> Legendary? If so, are the chances about the same as the cash shop cubes, or more like the free cubes you can find?

Man, it feels like Beta does everything and I only bring out Alpha to keep up the crit buff.

*Hits 130.*

Man, it feels like Alpha does everything and I only bring out Beta to whack bosses.

Spoiler

This image greatly amuses me.

The fact that Beta digs that panda brings me dirty thoughts.

Shipping intensifies.

[Razmos]

For Zero, does the "Change Potential" button essentially work the same as Cubes, where there's a chance it can upgrade from Rare tier to Epic -> Unique -> Legendary? If so, are the chances about the same as the cash shop cubes, or more like the free cubes you can find?

People are saying it's pretty rare, indeed I did 20+ resets without my rank changing. It DID change today though when I did around 5 resets, from Epic to Unique.

Unique is the highest it will go though, you need to pay for Legendary or use Meister Cubes. which I suppose is fair enough.

I'd say it's a pretty low chance, lower than Red Cubes, though that should be obvious since they have the same function as Super Cubes which had a higher chance than normal Miracle Cubes. It is probably the same chance as the old miracle cubes.

[dowie]

Low chance but basically free. Only got to epic but it was good enough to hit 180 no problems.