Achievement Thread

[Onion Knight]

Level 4 Gears. Only 10 Flares away from having this particularly irritating thorn out of my side.

[ShinkuDragon]

^holy snood. That's a lot of MP! Congrats xD

leech got stupidly slow by those levels, even with ring+HS bonus, so we stopped there, but indeed, that's a lot of MP, shame my pally isn't anywhere close.

[Mazz]

leech got stupidly slow by those levels, even with ring+HS bonus, so we stopped there, but indeed, that's a lot of MP, shame my pally isn't anywhere close.

Even if yours is at like, what, 12k? That's a ridiculously high amount to have. I'd kill for that on my Dark Knight, Dark Impale drains my MP like nothing.

Last level up before I got banned for 30 days. ;_;

[Marksman Bryan]

Concentrate and mw 29 is clean?

When am I not going to have those buffs, though? This is clean to me. I even considered having frostprey up, but decided against it.

[KhainiWest]

do note, the following screenshots show a warrior, i repeat, a warrior, not a mage.

without HB

with HB

mine ended only with 12k int, not enough to achieve max without decent HB (and even then) but good enough.

this character was made thanks to the sidekick system, now nexon do us a favor and do that free AP reset DB event again, kkthx <3

Impressive, too bad I don't play you'd be someone fun to compete with

[CrazyForDex]

When am I not going to have those buffs, though? This is clean to me. I even considered having frostprey up, but decided against it.

Eh I always thought of clean as just your range without buffs (excluding angelic bless as it is also always on). Anything else imo is considered "buffed range"

[Ryosuke]

Eh I always thought of clean as just your range without buffs (excluding angelic bless as it is also always on). Anything else imo is considered "buffed range"

Agreed. Never heard of someones "Self Buffed" range, being called, "Clean" lol.

[Takebacker]

When am I not going to have those buffs, though? This is clean to me. I even considered having frostprey up, but decided against it.

I agree completely. Clean being no buffs is a stupid as s'hit distinction, because you'll always have it. It's especially stupid when buccs have 40 attack that can't contribute to range.

[SaptaZapta]

I agree completely. Clean being no buffs is a stupid as s'hit distinction, because you'll always have it. It's especially stupid when buccs have 40 attack that can't contribute to range.

So if some damage whore always uses apples, he's allowed to count them in his "clean" range?

"Clean" means without buffs, by definition. You might say that "clean range" is a meaningless stat because it never comes into play, but that doesn't change its definition.

If what matters to you is the "self buffed" range, post it and call it by its proper name.

[Ryosuke]

So if some damage whore always uses apples, he's allowed to count them in his "clean" range?

"Clean" means without buffs, by definition. You might say that "clean range" is a meaningless stat because it never comes into play, but that doesn't change its definition.

If what matters to you is the "self buffed" range, post it and call it by its proper name.

Pretty much sums it up.. It's the fact that "Clean" range has always had a specific meaning. Just because they are your buffs, that you train with.. doesn't mean it's still clean. Would that mean that to you guys, "Buffed" means your damage range, with other classes buffs?

[Takebacker]

So if some damage whore always uses apples, he's allowed to count them in his "clean" range?

"Clean" means without buffs, by definition. You might say that "clean range" is a meaningless stat because it never comes into play, but that doesn't change its definition.

If what matters to you is the "self buffed" range, post it and call it by its proper name.

Apple is a potion, not a skill, so no. It isn't something you provide from your "self" either. What made you think this was a good example to argue against my opinion?

[happylight]

I can count ADA for my clean range 'cause I never go anywhere without my bam buddy. YEAH!

[SaptaZapta]

Apple is a potion, not a skill, so no. It isn't something you provide from your "self" either. What made you think this was a good example to argue against my opinion?

Because the same "when would I be without it?" argument could be made for the apple.

Also, definitions are not a matter of opinion.
Opinion is whether said range can be considered low/high/godly/noob/wasteful or any other value judgement.
"Clean" is not a matter of opinion.

[Takebacker]

Because the same "when would I be without it?" argument could be made for the apple.

Also, definitions are not a matter of opinion.
Opinion is whether said range can be considered low/high/godly/noob/wasteful or any other value judgement.
"Clean" is not a matter of opinion.

No it can't, because an apple is a limited resource. Super transform is not.

I wasn't arguing the definition more so than i was the community practice of comparing based on clean ranges. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Locked]

Clean range is nothing on you that affects your range, why are you questioning and complexing it? Some skills might have a cooldown and give you a boost to your damage, should you count those too under clean range?

[Marksman Bryan]

Jesus Christ. Didn't know that would cause so much peaching.
Fine, self-buffed range broke 80k. yayy.

Get over yourselves.

EDIT:
post 1337 :3

[PirateIzzy]

It may be Tespia, but not bad for a level 44 cannoneer:

[CrazyForDex]

Jesus Christ. Didn't know that would cause so much peaching.
Fine, self-buffed range broke 80k. yayy.

Get over yourselves.

EDIT:
post 1337 :3

I think it was more of a discussion to try an reach a verdict on what a "clean range" was...not really a heated arguement and nothing against you

Nice range though :/

[Dark Link]

People sure are testy today :(

[Abrasive]

Took me long enough to make it =(
Now time to pvp some more to make my axe!