[KMST] KMST 1.2.409 - Thief/Pirate Revamp

[octopusprime]

No, I oppose a random skill that just increases damage for pomegranates and giggles.
I've got no problem with replacing stun mastery with an attack skill that's good and powerful, and is then upgraded in 4th job to replace some pomegranatety skill, take 5 points off something for the upgrade.
I've said it before; just adding %'s everywhere isn't a substitute for an actual revamp. They did it with the 2nd union patch for the original adventurers and guess what? Nobody really liked that revamp.
Except for making the ultimates 2hit. But that wasn't a direct damage increase (or it might have been 50%), it was a improvement of the skill.
In this game, when everyone's hitting max damage, increasing damage isn't really the point. That's why classes that have multi-hit skills or skills that just have an insane amount of HITS per second are so ridiculously good, because the %damage is diluted but it has the potential to be so much higher than other classes.
I'm hoping I'm making myself clear.
EDIT: @above: this applies to most of your points.

Can you seriously not see how retarded what you're so hung up on is?

Stun Mastery Delete pls

The first part of his original post. Saying he wants stun mastery deleted.

Add

Fist Power:

Increase Damage by 35% and atk by 20

He then suggests a replacement idea. A skill that is passive and increases damage in some way. Much like what stun mastery is supposed to and sucks at.

Do you say his replacement is a bad idea? Explain that his numbers are too high? Defend stun mastery as skill in some way?

Nope.

How stupid can you possibly get?
35% damage increase?
What the flying pineapple.
Do you even think before you post?
Wait, I already know the answer; you don't.
Just...
NO.

Hamad should be adding you to his ignore list. Not the other way around. I guess you're saving him the time of having the make those mouse clicks.

You look pineappleing childish compared to someone widely considered to be somewhat of a village idiot. Good fucking day sir.

[TheTempest]

So you just dismiss the idea of replacing stun mastery with any other sort of damage increasing ability out of hand and call hamad an idiot because you want something different. A copy of a different skill at that.

No, I'd just rather have the 35% in 4th job to replace Pirates Revenge so we can have it on at all times and have that skill improve on the block rate chance for the Retaliate skill I mentioned. And no, I'd never call hamad an idiot.

[Dark Link]

Arans arent top dpm too. I mean atleast make them decent. Nah corsair got screwed way more

"Toss spam" Arans do more DPM than Demon Slayers, and that's saying something. Easily top 3 or top 5.

[octopusprime]

No, I'd just rather have the 35% in 4th job to replace Pirates Revenge so we can have it on at all times and have that skill improve on the block rate chance for the Retaliate skill I mentioned. And no, I'd never call hamad an idiot.

I know haha. I got you confused with raul because your avatars are so similiar. I'm sorry, I mentioned in the edit.

[TheTempest]

I know haha. I got you confused with raul because your avatars are so similiar. I'm sorry, I mentioned in the edit.

Just changed my avatar to the one in the picture with Orca, and it's ok.

[octopusprime]

"Toss spam" Arans do more DPM than Demon Slayers, and that's saying something. Easily top 3 or top 5.

Is toss better even on single target than their attack chain?

He was comparing it to a bucc single target skill after all.

And what you're saying doesn't actually affect the point he made at all. He clearly wasn't showing toss spam numbers either way.

[TheTempest]

Am I one of the few that actually like the Drain/MP recovery replacement (Endurance)? Recover 5% HP/MP every 5 seconds, this is going to be very helpful on bosses that seduce along with Willow Defense.

EDIT: Now if only they remove the Super Xform image from the skills that have it.

[Raul]

Can you seriously not see how retarded what you're so hung up on is?



The first part of his original post. Saying he wants stun mastery deleted.



He then suggests a replacement idea. A skill that is passive and increases damage in some way. Much like what stun mastery is supposed to and sucks at.

Do you say his replacement is a bad idea? Explain that his numbers are too high? Defend stun mastery as skill in some way?

Nope.



Hamad should be adding you to his ignore list. Not the other way around. I guess you're saving him the time of having the make those mouse clicks.

You look pineappleing childish compared to someone widely considered to be somewhat of a village idiot. Good fucking day sir.

Hm.
So much happens when I'm coming up with a replacement skill.
Maybe you should read that and then stop being all angsty.
Previous page.
*pushes*
It would be nice if you read, I already said the numbers were too high. The idea is bad, a bossing skill is maybe something useful?
OH WAIT THAT'S WHAT I POSTED
PLUS BRINGING BACK TRANSFORM (KINDA)
AND MAKING ALL THE GODDAMN SKILLS BETTER
WHAT
THAT'S ODD

[Aggravate]

Okay, I just watched a video and it looks alright; much better than how my pessimistic mind visualized it after seeing Triple Throw in action.

After letting this update sink in, the only thing I'm really disappointed with is Drain being deleted (as much as I love Avenger, I can accept it being gone). I know, I'm probably the 100th person to bring this up, but I fell in love NLs for two reasons: their attacks are fluid, and they can conveniently heal themselves without HP potions. I didn't mind seeing BMs get drain in the Jump patch, but then seeing Drain deleted in this Tespia patch is a huge slap in the face to me.

Please let Drain be reintroduced some time beteween now and when the patch hits the official server. That's all I ask.

Yeah, I loved how NL's were the only class besides Bishop's that had a healing skill in 2nd job in the past. Now it's gone. Buccaneer's healing is also gone. So is Shadower's. I just don't get it. Yet healing skills are kept on other classes. Why not just remove healing skills from every class not named Cleric/Priest/Bishop so that this makes sense to NL's, Buccaneer's, and Shadower's?

[hamad138]

oh and kms goes live in 8th deceber i think. So Maybe Tommorow is next KMST Patch ;)

[Worthyness]

People Like Paul have no Idea and no experience with Maple. My advice is to ignore him.

Why have I posted 35%?

Well i can list 1000 Reasons.


1.Buccaner are still low-tier DPM for example I compare them with Post Union Arans.

Arans get 35% Increase from Snow Charge and pineapple 105ATK+( its 135 right)? from Skills also they get Advance Final Attack coming with 170%Max Critical Damage and 55 % Crit Rate along with 40%PDR +25%Boss Damage

Arans full Swings are 100 + 400 +400 + 490 +490 +355* + 355 +355= 3000% in 1,6 SEC + all those buffs from ABove and Final Attack( Im not consider FinalBlows 100% Crit Chance)


And Now Look Buccaner
The Punch delay is 960MS so in roughly 1,9 Sec they Deal 3500% with a freaking 25ATK Buff only. Their Crit and eveything is lower than Arans and even with out FInal Attack would kill Buccs.

SUMMARY: BUCCS STILL SUCKS AND ARANS ARENT EVEN NR.1 DPM!

I hope i have closed ur mouths now. Next Time ppl who attack me use ur brain first.

Look, I know stun mastery doesn't really make sense attack wise, but most all the buccaneers that I know did not make a buccaneer for "DPS". Most of them (if not all of them) are more pissed off because Nexon didn't do anything to improve the buccaneer's gameplay and just made it the same as everyone else: get buffs spam laser/mob attack cannon, rinse and repeat.
Now I don't know about any other class, but Buccaneers were unique in that they did not have a "spam this one attack and you can be top DPS forever". Yes we had Demolition, but we were limited by Transformation (yet another reason why a few buccaneers made their character, which has now been reduced to a mere afterimage and a ghostly reminder that your old play has been turned to complete crap). Here's what I see nexon taking from us:

- Barrage does not auto knockback = Bucs can't contribute anything major to boss runs anymore besides time leap (because as listed before SI is completely useless for 90% of the characters except some warriors).

-They took out Barrel: why is this bad? Barrel gets rid of auto aggro and could distract at bosses or save your life from a monster when you needed it (and lets you CC faster).

- They took away our unique-ness: No more transformation state and energy bubble. Some are OK with transform being gone because they can see their NX clothes. Others dislike the change because, well, that's why they made their buccaneers. Our bubble has been reduced (or shall I say, imploded) into some piece of crap super-imposed red triangle that looks like 3 pyramid PQ buffs got mashed together. Yeah not quite what we were going for.

-They gave us a second rush skill- we could ALREADY rush 2 times. they merely took out the whole "turn around to attack" thing, which I enjoyed because it gave you a whole new wy to go about mobbing (and it was key to dragon dancing at one point until Nexon decided iFrames were worthless). I still use backspin on a regular basis, as should every buccaneer, except for the nub UA ones that are like "LOL backspin is useless just corkscrew and spam your mob skill nub buc". Probably a reason why they removed it.

- They gave us a pineappleing ultimate. WHAT THE pineapple. What buccaneer told you they wanted an ultimate? So you get to hit 15 monsters on screen for damage every 30 seconds. YAY?

- Did i mention that the new animations look like pomegranate? An that all the new attacks did was make us the same boring normal melee character in the game: rush, rush some more, rush more, SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM; rinse and repeat.

TL;DR: Nexon took out our utility. We didn't all exactly want "top tier" DPS. We were content the way we were and didn't really request the full revamp, but merely a reworking like every other class. We didn't ASK for this change. Buccaneers contributed to bossing in a different regard BESIDES DPS. now we're just another low-tier DPS class that doesn't do anything beyond that. Our party buffs aren't even useful anymore (nt since everyone can solo zakum now). I would be much more content if they took out the silly, crap animations and super-impositions and just had either the transform sprite do it or your character, not both. It's overly redundant and unnecessary.

[hamad138]

Look, I know stun mastery doesn't really make sense attack wise, but most all the buccaneers that I know did not make a buccaneer for "DPS". Most of them (if not all of them) are more pissed off because Nexon didn't do anything to improve the buccaneer's gameplay and just made it the same as everyone else: get buffs spam laser/mob attack cannon, rinse and repeat.
Now I don't know about any other class, but Buccaneers were unique in that they did not have a "spam this one attack and you can be top DPS forever". Yes we had Demolition, but we were limited by Transformation (yet another reason why a few buccaneers made their character, which has now been reduced to a mere afterimage and a ghostly reminder that your old play has been turned to complete crap). Here's what I see nexon taking from us:

- Barrage does not auto knockback = Bucs can't contribute anything major to boss runs anymore besides time leap (because as listed before SI is completely useless for 90% of the characters except some warriors).

-They took out Barrel: why is this bad? Barrel gets rid of auto aggro and could distract at bosses or save your life from a monster when you needed it (and lets you CC faster).

- They took away our unique-ness: No more transformation state and energy bubble. Some are OK with transform being gone because they can see their NX clothes. Others dislike the change because, well, that's why they made their buccaneers. Our bubble has been reduced (or shall I say, imploded) into some piece of crap super-imposed red triangle that looks like 3 pyramid PQ buffs got mashed together. Yeah not quite what we were going for.

-They gave us a second rush skill- we could ALREADY rush 2 times. they merely took out the whole "turn around to attack" thing, which I enjoyed because it gave you a whole new wy to go about mobbing (and it was key to dragon dancing at one point until Nexon decided iFrames were worthless). I still use backspin on a regular basis, as should every buccaneer, except for the nub UA ones that are like "LOL backspin is useless just corkscrew and spam your mob skill nub buc". Probably a reason why they removed it.

- They gave us a pineappleing ultimate. WHAT THE pineapple. What buccaneer told you they wanted an ultimate? So you get to hit 15 monsters on screen for damage every 30 seconds. YAY?

- Did i mention that the new animations look like pomegranate? An that all the new attacks did was make us the same boring normal melee character in the game: rush, rush some more, rush more, SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM; rinse and repeat.

TL;DR: Nexon took out our utility. We didn't all exactly want "top tier" DPS. We were content the way we were and didn't really request the full revamp, but merely a reworking like every other class. We didn't ASK for this change. Buccaneers contributed to bossing in a different regard BESIDES DPS. now we're just another low-tier DPS class that doesn't do anything beyond that. Our party buffs aren't even useful anymore (nt since everyone can solo zakum now). I would be much more content if they took out the silly, crap animations and super-impositions and just had either the transform sprite do it or your character, not both. It's overly redundant and unnecessary.

Agee. I wish Transformation Back T_T. Its what ade Buccaners special. Also lots of Damage / DPS Improvement would be rly nice.


But Corsair got more pineapple.

Now they suck at DPM and in Mobbing.

[Nature]

Agee. I wish Transformation Back T_T. Its what ade Buccaners special. Also lots of Damage / DPS Improvement would be rly nice.


But Corsair got more pineapple.

Now they suck at DPM and in Mobbing.

I don't have a buc but i think even if they would remove transformation instead of summoning a sprite it would of been better if you transformed for a brief moment in to transformation state yourself when performing skills. That way people who like to see their nx get to see it and you don't quite lose transformation.

[Raul]

I don't have a buc but i think even if they would remove transformation instead of summoning a sprite it would of been better if you transformed for a brief moment in to transformation state yourself when performing skills. That way people who like to see their nx get to see it and you don't quite lose transformation.

Just because I can, here's my suggestion to replace Stun Mastery.

Spoiler

Energy Avatar
Summons an Energy Avatar to aid in attacks.
Master level 10, at that level it provides boost of 20 speed, 20 jump (both can break cap), 20 attack, 30 dex, 50 str, and increases attack speed by one stage. Lasts for 180 seconds. Multiple avatars can be summoned (up to 3 {speed cap cannot be broken and the attack, str, and dex decreases to 10att from the 2nd avatar and 5 from the third, 15 dex from the 2nd and 10 from the 3rd, and 30 str from the 2nd and 15 from the third})
Spoiler alert: it looks exactly like the Transformed state.
All the Father-son Kamehameha and other skills that use the Saiyan look require an Energy Avatar to be present to be cast.
Now, I know what you're thinking. Stun Mastery has a max level of 20!
Simple:

Spoiler

Punch Storm
Requires an Avatar to be present.
Hits one monster for 300% damage 3 times.
Each present avatar does an additional set of attacks that mirrors that damage, and each avatar's damage increases depending on how many avatars are present. 1 avatar does 50%, 2 does 55% each, 3 does 65% each.
3 summoned avatars does 1775% damage per use of the skill.
Delay is 800ms.
With Speed infusion, I actually don't know what it does. Someone figure it out for me.

*whistles*

[Nature]

*whistles*

Um why would you even make that a skill all it takes is a few animations changes. Attacking transform state/ Not attacking normal looking. Weren't most of the moves slower in super transform state anyway? Obviously bringing it back as a skill wouldn't be good for buccaneer.

[IllegallySane]

Thank goodness, octopusprime is banned from this thread so no more general shitstorms. Time to sweep up this thread.

*blows whistle*

[Raul]

Um why would you even make that a skill all it takes is a few animations changes. Attacking transform state/ Not attacking normal looking. Weren't most of the moves slower in super transform state anyway? Obviously bringing it back as a skill wouldn't be good for buccaneer.

It solves the problem of not having a good bossing move.
Which is mainly what I was looking for; barrage isn't a great bossing move.

[Nature]

It solves the problem of not having a good bossing move.
Which is mainly what I was looking for; barrage isn't a great bossing move.

I don't see the problem with the new barrage its basically hurricane fist. You would just use that on single targets. My friend is level 175 and hit never put more than 1sp in current barrage.

[DragonsMirth]

And everyone sees Battleship in Corsair's column.

Except, you can also see an octopus riding it as opposed to the player riding it. It looks like that Captain Latanica move where he summons this tugboat to ram into you. I personally think summoning an octopus on a battleship and ramming into mobs makes more sense as a pushing skill more than Mr. Bullet Bill.

[Hanabira.Kage]

Thank goodness, octopusprime is banned from this thread so no more general shitstorms. Time to sweep up this thread.

Plus he got infracted upon his first post in this thread. Though he obviously didn't notice/learn from it and continued with those posts, which led to him being banned from the thread.

Anyway, Shadowers totally need another mobbing skill (in 3rd job, mainly) that's more useful like Band of Thieves (which they removed). To be honest, I quite like the old gameplay where you build up coins (with Band of Thieves usually) and detonate them for even more damage than Band of Thieves could ever deal. It's much better than just spamming a single skill...and they really should get rid of Steal, or at least remove the freaking stun; it's totally stupid.

On the other hand, I'm actually pretty happy with the Gunner changes.