Anyone mind PMing me the new Bm skills? Im not in the perfect mood to do it sorry :( but omg 220% hurricane?!?!??!
keep us updated Fiel :D
[Module] The Restructuring | Adventurer skills
Anyone mind PMing me the new Bm skills? Im not in the perfect mood to do it sorry :( but omg 220% hurricane?!?!??!
keep us updated Fiel :D
Dude. It's like in the first 3 posts o_OOriginally Posted by Izwardo
It shows 240% per hit. More coins doesn't make it do more damage per hit. The stability is really tight though. You can have all your hits go really close to your max, or really close to your minimum. It doesn't seem to vary a large amount, regardless of how many coins you use.
Despite what it shows, I think I will have to agree that it does indeed to up to fifteen hits. It is still not something to warrant using Steal, because Meso Explosion hits up to TEN monsters. With Shadow Partner and a few hits with Band of Thieves, you'll have plenty of coins around to kill everything. Steal is only useful for Stealing, and possibly closing. That's it. With the fact that you can use Boomerang Step in mid-air, closing with Steal is just stupid unless you want to close with Steal and Band of Thieves, in which case I ask, why not Assaulter?
But is it 15 damage numbers or 10?
This vid shows the new ME, but doesn't really show how many hits there are (too many explosions), but 15 -would- be possible, but they're offscreen...
(Pause @ 0:34)
In your other post you said ME hitted higher then 240% (+60 additive Greed) so it wouldn't be possible. It -is- possible that those high hits are criticals (+50% = 290%, that would make it possible).
So, would it be 15*247.5% on average then? (3712.5% per ME = 4950% DPS)
I only ever see 10 numbers. It doesn't go off screen, it just stops at 10 numbers. Apparently, I was mistaken about Meso Explosion doing criticals. The extra damage is Meso Explosion ignoring defense.
If it did do critical though, average damage would be like 244% or something really low. You get less than a 1.02x increase without any additional critical rate.
Well afaik, ME always ignored def (pre BB). So maybe that's post BB too... :)
But what are those insane many (on top of each other) numbers in the vid then (@ 0.34 min)? All the monsters are on the same platform. And I count more then 10 on top of each other (23-like)
Did you test it with dropping 15x 10mesos on 1 pile and explode one monster with that? The coins only have a blast radius of about 2x50 pixels wide (really small), so if a coin is too far away, but still gets exploded, it's not calculated in the damage.
For all I know, Shadow Partner works with Mesos Explosion. I have one Summoning Rock and I'll use it to test that later, but I don't want to waste it completely.
And yes, I tried testing with a pile. That's how I concluded only 15 mesos can be exploded at once.
Life's rough when you've only found 2 Summoning Rocks ever and accidentally used one.
Pre-BB White Fangs and White/Brown Leatty's used to drop summoning rocks. Lycanthropes too btw... :)
I don't know if they still do post-BB though...
You'd be amazed how crappy the Summoning Rock drop rate is.
You guys know, Dead Scarecrows and Jesters have a pretty good droprate of Summoning Rocks.
Do Allcaster's (that old dude in El Nath) quest "Book of the Ancients" and the quest after that too. It's VERY long, you need all crystal colors (incl black) and a star rock).
After that, you can buy rocks from him for 5k each! :+)
After Big Bang, it's just talking to alcaster, talk to the 4 wise people, talk to some other people, finish quest.
Hurp
I'm on my way to Victoria to talk to the four people. Hopefully, I'll have the monopoly on all the Summoning Rocks in Tespia for the next day or whatever lulz.
Well, turns out you still need the crystals. derp. Shadow Partner does not work with Meso Explosion. That video looks like it's just hitting four mobs 10 times each, really.
While we're on this topic of fun with ME does pickpocket money drop on every hit of a multihit skill or just one? cause if it is every hit and the dps from ME is as good as it looks at a quick glance wouldnt pretty much any combo mobbing or not warrent bstep savage just to generate them coins and make mario happy?
It depends on how many hits it takes you to kill the mobs, and how well you can space your ME to hit enough monsters. If you're just Savage Blowing to get coins, the mobs might not get close enough to get enough damage from ME.
Interestingly enough, I actually did manage to produce 15 hits.
Spoiler
Counting this out on fraps gave exactly 15 hits on that highest one. The skill description, rather than the actual level write up appears to be more correct, in that you can hit up to 15 hits on a boss, but only 10 hits on a non-boss. Presumably, this would mean you only do 10 hits of damage on non-bosses, and LHC monsters are all boss flagged? Still not sure how damage dealt is considered when exploding 15 bags on non-boss mobs, as only 10 hits are shown, but I am under the belief that I am hitting more than 10 hits worth of damage in the scenarios I attempted. Either way, bossing guaranteed a ridiculous amount of damage, and when I used Shadow Partner, a stupidly high amount of coins spat out. I think you could just Shadow Partner and Savage Blow + Boomerang Step, and when Shadow Partner ran out, just ME until all the coins are gone to conserve Summoning Rocks, and rebuff time, unless the coins run out sooner than that.
what does this mean o.o
About ME damage, 6927~9421, is that still based on your attack range of 2710~3871? (well ok you're a few lvls higher now, so lets say 2750~3900)It depends on how many hits it takes you to kill the mobs, and how well you can space your ME to hit enough monsters. If you're just Savage Blowing to get coins, the mobs might not get close enough to get enough damage from ME.
Interestingly enough, I actually did manage to produce 15 hits.
Spoiler
Counting this out on fraps gave exactly 15 hits on that highest one. The skill description, rather than the actual level write up appears to be more correct, in that you can hit up to 15 hits on a boss, but only 10 hits on a non-boss. Presumably, this would mean you only do 10 hits of damage on non-bosses, and LHC monsters are all boss flagged? Still not sure how damage dealt is considered when exploding 15 bags on non-boss mobs, as only 10 hits are shown, but I am under the belief that I am hitting more than 10 hits worth of damage in the scenarios I attempted. Either way, bossing guaranteed a ridiculous amount of damage, and when I used Shadow Partner, a stupidly high amount of coins spat out. I think you could just Shadow Partner and Savage Blow + Boomerang Step, and when Shadow Partner ran out, just ME until all the coins are gone to conserve Summoning Rocks, and rebuff time, unless the coins run out sooner than that.
240% ME would make that 6600~9360... <- More likely
288% ME would make that 7804~11148...
What's your attack range there Joe? :)
Afaik, noone knows, maybe they re-coded and optimized the SP formula and there is no need for the y-value anymore? :)
I do know what "y" means for that skill, and it's really useless anyway. No NL is ever going to need that variable. Ever. It's the multiplier used for Shadow Partner when using it without a skill, so like a regular throw. Yeah, I can't see them using it that often. They may have merged that variable with the "x" variable which is the multiplier for skill based attacks. Since these values were always the same anyway, it makes sense to merge them.
My range is 3681~5258, but ME doesn't ignore defense against bosses it seems.
Hmmm then it seems ME + Greed is 240% per hit indeed, with 10 hits against normal mobs, and 15 against bosses! :)
Ok, I updated >> Shadower Additional 4th Job Skill Tables << (Bstep -> Steal/Sblow/Assaulter upgrades)
Also some quick Shadower Combo DPS (with 10% Critical Ring):
And Assassinate... Does anyone know the new attack speed of it? Dark Sight is 100ms, that's all I know... But afaics, it's only usefull for it's charging capability now, not DPS...Code:Removed - Wrong Calcs - See below for correct calcs! :)
If you see any errors here, please feel free to post them! :)
Last edited by Devil; 2010-11-19 at 01:34 PM.
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