[Game Over] A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS

[LuvDWayULie]

[Vote] LuvDWayULie

And now I really don't like how you're going with your posts, wagoning on TheBirds after a Day we discussed a lot about how lynching an inactive was a bad idea.



That kind of justification only worsens your case, it's completely unnecessary. Townies don't know who are town with them.

What? WHAT? It's my true feelings about TheBirds. I can't express them here?

Townies don't know who are Townies but still, I felt bad voting against him now.

[Shidoshi]

A little disappointed since it was pretty obviously the best choice. Ive already stated thst i thought shidoshi or meow would have been a better choice than thebirds

meow's no lynch vote is absolutely insubstantial in suggesting he could be mafia. Your poor reasoning for choosing who to vote scare me.

[Olsi]

meow's no lynch vote is absolutely insubstantial in suggesting he could be mafia. Your poor reasoning for choosing who to vote scare me.

As a day one vote it was one of the small things we had. I never said anything about today . Funny how you can say that after your bote reasoning

[LuvDWayULie]

As a day one vote it was one of the small things we had. I never said anything about today . Funny how you can say that after your bote reasoning

I agree with you. I just checked about Shidoshi said whether to vote for Niernen or you, and it was literally just saying he was still deciding.

Whereas, I, did give a valid reason why I suggested TheBirds in the first place. He was being inactive, and that's pretty scary as well.

[Holypie]

I don't think we would get the revenge kill unless Hypermug was killed and not Kyrastri, because if he had used it wouldn't we have gotten another death this morning? Holypie; to confirm.

Nope, she gets a kill. It says upon your (Stannis') death. Uh, I PMed her for a target and I guess the kill will go off with the day's lynch, but please don't influence Kyra for the kill. It's her decision and yeah the logistics of revenge kills are kind of hard on forums, haha.

[VerrKol]

Well that was unfortunate. I was actually inclined to suspect Stannis + Davos + Melisandra (?) would be neutral, but that's obviously incorrect. I did not expect that suicide pact though and it really hits the town hard.

I have no nocturnal events to report unfortunately.

[Niernen]

Nope, she gets a kill. It says upon your (Stannis') death. Uh, I PMed her for a target and I guess the kill will go off with the day's lynch, but please don't influence Kyra for the kill. It's her decision and yeah the logistics of revenge kills are kind of hard on forums, haha.

If your Hand dies you will commit suicide out of grief but you can kill a person of your choosing upon your death.

Thats some very bad wording then. Unless the mafia killed Hypermug and then Kyrastri committed suicide, but your post said the wildings killed him?

It seems the wildlings have managed to assassinate Kyrastri last night.

Upon seeing the corpse, Hypermug's smile suddenly drops. he draws his sword, and kills himself

[Holypie]

Thats some very bad wording then. Unless the mafia killed Hypermug and then Kyrastri committed suicide, but your post said the wildings killed him?

If your Hand dies you will commit suicide out of grief but you can kill a person of your choosing upon your death.

Maybe a bit confusing but I think it's pretty unambiguous.

[Niernen]

Oh. Would have made more sense if they were separate sentences and not one.

"You die if your partner does. If you die you can revenge kill. " vs. "You die if your partner does and if so you get a revenge kill".

Anyways, more on topic, but yesterdays voting became a mess at the last couple of hours with people switching and suddenly voting with little reasoning.

[MasPan]

[vote] @Shidoshi;

An early vote for Kyrastri that you seemed to pass off as as a joke and now aggressively pointing fingers at the admittedly suspicious @LuvDWayULie;

I don't want this to become another game of "Everybody suspects Luv but nobody ever lynches him" but I certainly am not going to jump on him after 1 day. No offense intended, but I'm not into playing kick-the-cripple.

[LuvDWayULie]

Maybe a bit confusing but I think it's pretty unambiguous.

It is ambiguous to us.

[VerrKol]

I really have to agree that Shidoshi looks suspicious. I should have voted for him yesterday in 20/20 hindsight.

[Vote]: @Shidoshi;

[Polantaris]

Missed some early day posts after the day started...so...


While I do agree that Shidoshi is acting awfully aggressive, I do not think that they are mafia.
@Shidoshi; Did anything happen to you last night?

A little disappointed since it was pretty obviously the best choice. Ive already stated thst i thought shidoshi or meow would have been a better choice than thebirds

Do you mean for who was killed or who was lynched?

I seriously thought TheBirds was a good lynch as he was inactive the whole day. Didn't know he was a Townie :(

Once again the inactive lynch doesn't do a single thing of good, especially when TheBirds is someone who is typically inactive until Day 3 or 4, if not the majority of the game.

You could vote for them today...

I don't like how you're trying to influence votes without voting yourself.

Whereas, I, did give a valid reason why I suggested TheBirds in the first place. He was being inactive, and that's pretty scary as well.

To be honest that's a pretty shoddy reason when half of us were against an inactivity lynch to begin with.

Plus, everyone's jumping on the inactivity wagon but did anyone even mention him? Notify him? I don't see any until less than an hour before the end of the day, but were talking about lynching him the entire day. It's like you guys intentionally let him play his normal game, when we all know it's his normal game, and used it as an excuse to lynch him.

Additionally, the majority of the votes against him occurred near the end of the day. 2/3 votes against him occurred in the last fifty minutes of the day. Hypermug, and Luv. Hypermug I can understand. Hypermug was The Onion Knight. He may have suspected a roleclaim that is impossible with the knowledge Hypermug had. That's the only reason I can think for Hypermug's late vote, since his post really didn't say anything about his TheBirds vote. But Luv voted for him because of inactivity, when more than a few of us were against an inactivity lynch.

I don't want this to become another game of "Everybody suspects Luv but nobody ever lynches him" but I certainly am not going to jump on him after 1 day.

Allow me. [Vote] LuvDWayULie

This isn't to say that I can't be swayed to change my mind towards Luv but I am going to need more than the typical, "Why me?!" "What do you want out of me?" and, "But that's what I think!" responses. Defend yourself with facts.

[MasPan]

Allow me. [Vote] LuvDWayULie

This isn't to say that I can't be swayed to change my mind towards Luv but I am going to need more than the typical, "Why me?!" "What do you want out of me?" and, "But that's what I think!" responses. Defend yourself with facts.

Really good reasoning regarding Hypermug. I am a bit perturbed that people made a lynch out of TheBirds day 1 despite him almost always becoming really involved ~day 3 or so and usually to some gamechanging results. Especially with no Mentions or attempt to get his attention when under the guise of wanting activity. Nevermind trying to get a player who is notoriously quiet on early days to be active by threatening them. Or someone who had a (until his death) very positive softclaim (even I misunderstood him to think he meant that he was Davos) that nobody had challenged.

My vote is staying on Shidoshi because of his rapid escalation of aggression, but Luv is next on my list.

I will say as well that I'm actually relieved we got hit with a double whammy so early - we can recover from it right now and it improves the odds of us getting a positive lynch. Lategame 2 townie deaths is a massive swing in favor of the mafia. It also minimizes the likelihood of a further nasty surprise later on.

Assuming 3-4 mafians and 1-2 neutrals, we're looking at a best case of 9 remaining townies and a worst case of only 6. I think it's much more likely that it's somewhere in the 8-9 range, which gives us plenty of time to recover.

[Polantaris]

Really good reasoning regarding Hypermug. I am a bit perturbed that people made a lynch out of TheBirds day 1 despite him almost always becoming really involved ~day 3 or so and usually to some gamechanging results. Especially with no Mentions or attempt to get his attention when under the guise of wanting activity. Nevermind trying to get a player who is notoriously quiet on early days to be active by threatening them. Or someone who had a (until his death) very positive softclaim (even I misunderstood him to think he meant that he was Davos) that nobody had challenged.

My vote is staying on Shidoshi because of his rapid escalation of aggression, but Luv is next on my list.

I will say as well that I'm actually relieved we got hit with a double whammy so early - we can recover from it right now and it improves the odds of us getting a positive lynch. Lategame 2 townie deaths is a massive swing in favor of the mafia. It also minimizes the likelihood of a further nasty surprise later on.

Assuming 3-4 mafians and 1-2 neutrals, we're looking at a best case of 9 remaining townies and a worst case of only 6. I think it's much more likely that it's somewhere in the 8-9 range, which gives us plenty of time to recover.

I can certainly understand people voting for Shidoshi due to his aggressiveness, but all of my memory of Shidoshi's playstyles are pretty outspoken and active. That's why I don't consider it scummy enough to vote for him at this time.

Good point about the early double whammy. I didn't think of it that way, and the revenge kill may work in our favor considering Kyrastri tends to be one who is very observant and make good conclusions.

As for the rest, I'm not sure if you thought the, "Defend Yourself" was pointed at you. I meant that towards Luv. Regardless, good info.

[MasPan]

As for the rest, I'm not sure if you thought the, "Defend Yourself" was pointed at you. I meant that towards Luv. Regardless, good info.

Nope, I didn't think so. Just felt like elaborating that I agree with your points but am not 100% convinced towards Luv and to share my opinion on what happened last night.

Which reminds me - do we have any idea who (if anyone) Hypermug targeted last night?

[Polantaris]

Nope, I didn't think so. Just felt like elaborating that I agree with your points but am not 100% convinced towards Luv and to share my opinion on what happened last night.

Which reminds me - do we have any idea who (if anyone) Hypermug targeted last night?

Ah okay, just wanted to make sure.

No idea. I didn't receive anything last night. It's possible his action didn't go through, but I don't see why that would be so since he killed himself in the morning.

[MasPan]

Ah okay, just wanted to make sure.

No idea. I didn't receive anything last night. It's possible his action didn't go through, but I don't see why that would be so since he killed himself in the morning.

Kyrastri killed herself. Mug was the onion-giver. It's possible someone roleblocked him (unlikely if TheBirds was our only roleblocker), I just find it odd that nobody mentioned finding an onion or anything weird like that. It's possible that his power only served to buff TheBirds, but I find that unlikely. With TheBirds being able to act only on odd number nights, I suspect we have an even nights roleblocker too.

[Polantaris]

Kyrastri killed herself. Mug was the onion-giver. It's possible someone roleblocked him (unlikely if TheBirds was our only roleblocker), I just find it odd that nobody mentioned finding an onion or anything weird like that. It's possible that his power only served to buff TheBirds, but I find that unlikely. With TheBirds being able to act only on odd number nights, I suspect we have an even nights roleblocker too.

You have it backwards.

You wake up and head to the courtyard dreading what you will find. At first, you don't notice anything amiss, but on closer inspection, you find a corpse wearing a crown of red gold with the points fashioned into the shape of flames. It seems the wildlings have managed to assassinate Kyrastri last night.

Upon seeing the corpse, Hypermug's smile suddenly drops. He reaches towards his neck as if grasping for a pouch, but finds nothing. he draws his sword, and kills himself (SORRY THE WRITING SUCKS ;_;).

Edit: Hit Post early by accident.

I also find it pretty unlikely that Hypermug's ability would only work on TheBirds, but I'm not sure who else within the lore would receive a benefit from it.

[MasPan]

You have it backwards.

Oh whoops. I saw it in Kyrastri's power description and missed it in Hypermug's. Pretty dumb oversight on my part.