[Game Over] A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS

[Kyrastri]

LuvDWayULie; no biggie with ur vote. just dont want to throw "random" votes out and start an unintended bandwagon that *BAM* kills off an important person. you are all my special snowflakes except for yall wild folk. u need to go

While I agree that Luv's vote on you before your no lynch vote is pretty suspicious (Polantaris raises a good point about the inactivity argument), I have to agree with Mas in that throwing a random vote is better than voting no lynch- unless this game is incredibly power heavy, which we have yet to have an indication of (or I'm just daft), we have a better grasp of 'information' this way. A town hit will still provide some sort of information about the nature of this game, and a mafia hit will be even better.

Just throwing my two cents right now, I'm going to go back and reread what we've got so far (and consult my wiki-dictionary). It really is a pretty inactive game- we should start calling out 'inactive' folk but I feel like the flavour's hindered the game a little so I'm kinda lost. Maybe the distinction between people who know the flavour and those who don't should be remembered when it comes to this, but really quiet days are detrimental to town overall.

EDIT: Okay I've been doing some vote logging~ If I can't read, tell me and I'll fix any errors up.

vote log

Salguod (1): MasPan
Verrkol (1): HyperMug
ChaoticCJ (1): Salguod
Olsi (1): y0y0y0y0shi0
Meowmixx (1): LuvDWayULie
Niernen (1): Shidoshi
LuvDWayULie (1): Polantaris

No Lynch (1): Meowmixx

The votes I don't 'understand' are against Salguod ( @MasPan;), Verrkol ( @Hypermug;) and ChaoticCJ ( @Salguod;); sorry but do you guys mind elaborating on your votes?

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

The votes I don't 'understand' are against Salguod ( MasPan;), Verrkol ( Hypermug;) and ChaoticCJ ( Salguod;); sorry but do you guys mind elaborating on your votes?

You understand my vote? :O

With regards to the topic at hand, lynching is obviously favorable for us, as it gives us a free, less destructive chance to try and kill off a mafia quickly.
With that in mind, given last game's day 1, I think it'd be more likely that the mafia would try and pull something weird like getting a day 1 no lynch off. However, that being said, I don't think that's the case here with meow.

As for the inactivity "debate;"

Inactivity is a poor excuse when everyone is inactive.

Why is inactivity an excuse for some yet a conviction for others?

[Hypermug]

While I agree that Luv's vote on you before your no lynch vote is pretty suspicious (Polantaris raises a good point about the inactivity argument), I have to agree with Mas in that throwing a random vote is better than voting no lynch- unless this game is incredibly power heavy, which we have yet to have an indication of (or I'm just daft), we have a better grasp of 'information' this way. A town hit will still provide some sort of information about the nature of this game, and a mafia hit will be even better.

Just throwing my two cents right now, I'm going to go back and reread what we've got so far (and consult my wiki-dictionary). It really is a pretty inactive game- we should start calling out 'inactive' folk but I feel like the flavour's hindered the game a little so I'm kinda lost. Maybe the distinction between people who know the flavour and those who don't should be remembered when it comes to this, but really quiet days are detrimental to town overall.

EDIT: Okay I've been doing some vote logging~ If I can't read, tell me and I'll fix any errors up.

vote log

Salguod (1): MasPan
Verrkol (1): HyperMug
ChaoticCJ (1): Salguod
Olsi (1): y0y0y0y0shi0
Meowmixx (1): LuvDWayULie
Niernen (1): Shidoshi
LuvDWayULie (1): Polantaris

No Lynch (1): Meowmixx

The votes I don't 'understand' are against Salguod ( MasPan;), Verrkol ( Hypermug;) and ChaoticCJ ( Salguod;); sorry but do you guys mind elaborating on your votes?

My vote is completely random. I'm removing it when I get home.

[Polantaris]

As for the inactivity "debate;"
Why is inactivity an excuse for some yet a conviction for others?

I've always been one who has been against the inactivity lynch on Day 1. I pushed to stop a Day 1 inactivity lynch in the Digital Mafia game. Day 1 Inactivity lynches are usually the worst reason to lynch. When you get further into the game it makes more sense, but on Day 1....not even half way into Day 1, when the person said they were going to sleep....what is that.

Not only that, my point is that Luv called someone out on inactivity when EVERYONE was inactive. Why did he single out meowmixx, someone who was actually more active than most others? It's ridiculous.

That's not to say I support a No Lynch either. I think meowmixx needs to rethink that plan of action. As everyone has pointed out, a No Lynch never helps the town.

[meowmixx]

ok ill take off the no lynch.

[Shidoshi]

I understand your reasoning going against LuvD's vote on meowmixx, but I don't think that's enough to be suspicious of him. As much as inactive lynching is generally bad D1, lynching LuvD on Day 1 is an "easy lynch" as well.

[VerrKol]

Who watches the watchmen?

I'm not inactive, just don't have much to say atm.

[Niernen]

@Polantaris; While voting off an inactive may not be the best course of action, it is better than a no lynch, and when there is no one too suspicious it just usually fall on the inactives since no one can get a good read on them. So far the game itself hasn't been too active, but I noticed @Verrkol and @Metaseraphim haven't posted too much. (Neither has TheBirds, but people don't seem to call him out on that and he usually finds a way to avoid suspicion when he is inactive). With Meow removing his no lynch (although even if he was mafia he would probably still remove it to avoid suspicion) and some of the rest being random, I think I'll wait a bit longer before casting my vote.

[MasPan]

@Kyrastri; With little else to go off of, my vote is almost entirely based on flavor. @Salguod; appears to be softclaiming Jon Snow ("I know nothing" being a reference to Ygritte constantly saying "You know nothing Jon Snow"). In terms of the books, Jon Snow spent a significant amount of time with the Wildlings, having an intimate relationship with one in particular (Ygritte) and betraying some of his vows as a result. If there's any major character that I feel is likely to be a turncoat, godfather, or similar type role, it's him. Whether or not he's a willing participant or a pawn in such a scenario. :/

[Shidoshi]

As a rule, I don't like lynching based on flavour.

[LuvDWayULie]

Okay, I admit I was being randomly picking on meow. But the first thought was: Why is meow so inactive? And the thing is that, after that, meow voted for no lynch, which made me felt weird, as I would think meow would vote for someone. I did say that in the previous post. I still don't get why are you picking on me, Polantaris.

Sorry, can't type much. I'm in an advising office now so yeah.

Oh just read meow's no lynch retracting. Okay, I'll remove mine against him as well.

[MasPan]

As a rule, I don't like lynching based on flavour.

Same. But if I have to make a call on Day 1, it's slightly preferable to being completely random or a No Lynch. I don't like @LuvDWayULie; 's fixation on @meowmixx; - it's a bit out of character for him to push a lynch rather than bandwagon early. He's also being very wishy-washy with his arguments/excuses. Something to keep an eye on.

[LuvDWayULie]

Same. But if I have to make a call on Day 1, it's slightly preferable to being completely random or a No Lynch. I don't like LuvDWayULie; 's fixation on meowmixx; - it's a bit out of character for him to push a lynch rather than bandwagon early. He's also being very wishy-washy with his arguments/excuses. Something to keep an eye on.

Wait what? I'm starting a bandwagon? No no no, that's not my original plan. I'm just trying to say that meow was being suss for voting a no lynch, but since he removed it, I did the same.

[MasPan]

Wait what? I'm starting a bandwagon? No no no, that's not my original plan. I'm just trying to say that meow was being suss for voting a no lynch, but since he removed it, I did the same.

It's unusual for you to make a vote for someone rather than following someone else's vote is what I was saying. And then fairly aggressively defending said vote with shifting arguments makes it look a bit worse.

[Salguod]

My vote was pretty random too. I just picked someone who hasn't posted yet since that seemed to be the thing to do at the start. I can always remove it but for now, it's staying since I see no reason to change it. I will evaluate again before the day ends but I'm not sure how to contribute to Day 1 with so little information.

To Maspan, I wish I was Jon but those are just memorable things from the show I did for flavor.

As a side note, I want to follow up on my Daenerys comment since Polantaris mentioned it. I think Holypie said there might be unexpected people in the game when he was asked about Joffrey and I can see Daenerys being something like Gyarados in the last game, where she takes a while to get to the Wall but can kill someone when she gets here.

[Polantaris]

Polantaris; While voting off an inactive may not be the best course of action, it is better than a no lynch, and when there is no one too suspicious it just usually fall on the inactives since no one can get a good read on them. So far the game itself hasn't been too active, but I noticed @Verrkol and @Metaseraphim haven't posted too much. (Neither has TheBirds, but people don't seem to call him out on that and he usually finds a way to avoid suspicion when he is inactive). With Meow removing his no lynch (although even if he was mafia he would probably still remove it to avoid suspicion) and some of the rest being random, I think I'll wait a bit longer before casting my vote.

If there ends up being absolutely no one who is suspicious, then I'm more for an inactive lynch...but that's almost never the case. Someone always raises suspicions a little in some way.

I understand your reasoning going against LuvD's vote on meowmixx, but I don't think that's enough to be suspicious of him. As much as inactive lynching is generally bad D1, lynching LuvD on Day 1 is an "easy lynch" as well.

That's a good point. I was mostly trying to get things rolling since ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was happening.

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

I don't think pre-game show references really hold much basis in the game itself; I had no idea what Mas was even talking about with regards to the Jon Snow thing.

I agree with Shidoshi in saying that lynching based on flavour is usually rather poor. However, if roles did match alignments, I could pretty much see Jon Snow being any alignment. Neutral in his time away from the wall but not with the wildlings, mafia in his time with ygritte and the wildlings, town in his time at the wall or as supreme commander person man.

Last game half of the mafia made scarce, usually somewhat trivial comments in the game as town just killed themselves off. If I had to choose someone today, I'd probably want to go for those who are a bit more inactive, especially since this is still the first day.

Luv seems to be doing sort of what Meta did on day 1 last game that caught my eye. Meta was scum, but this isn't the same way Luv was playing last game.

[MasPan]

My vote was pretty random too. I just picked someone who hasn't posted yet since that seemed to be the thing to do at the start. I can always remove it but for now, it's staying since I see no reason to change it. I will evaluate again before the day ends but I'm not sure how to contribute to Day 1 with so little information.

To Maspan, I wish I was Jon but those are just memorable things from the show I did for flavor.

As a side note, I want to follow up on my Daenerys comment since Polantaris mentioned it. I think Holypie said there might be unexpected people in the game when he was asked about Joffrey and I can see Daenerys being something like Gyarados in the last game, where she takes a while to get to the Wall but can kill someone when she gets here.

I'll keep my vote for now, mostly for lack of better options and convenience, but I'm prepared to remove it if the situation arises. I'd like to see @MetaSeraphim; talking more, he's been allowed to hang back quietly and avoid suspicion too much in the past few games.

[VerrKol]

Salguod; appears to be softclaiming Jon Snow ("I know nothing" being a reference to Ygritte constantly saying "You know nothing Jon Snow"). In terms of the books, Jon Snow spent a significant amount of time with the Wildlings, having an intimate relationship with one in particular (Ygritte) and betraying some of his vows as a result. If there's any major character that I feel is likely to be a turncoat, godfather, or similar type role, it's him. Whether or not he's a willing participant or a pawn in such a scenario. :/

Mance Rayder makes more sense as a godfather to me. He has a history of disguising himself and he did betray the Night's Watch. Flavor wise, John Snow is our Lord Commander and your talk in treasonous

[MetaSeraphim]

I'd like to see MetaSeraphim; talking more, he's been allowed to hang back quietly and avoid suspicion too much in the past few games.

-shurg- Whether I am townie, mafia or neutral that is my style. Plus I suppose I am lame in the fact that if I don't have a power I don't feel like I am any use and thus don't really feel like playing.