[TENTATIVE] NEW EXP TABLE

[SaptaZapta]

Those who got perm safty charm will have huge advantage on death XD lucky me I got one wish my other char can get some too

I hope they bring perm safety charms back.

However... -5% from level 100 Ambition, -4% from Cannoneer card, and -1% from a grade C Undead in Monster Life, should be enough to ensure no exp loss at death at all. Right?

[66alex66]

I hope they bring perm safety charms back.

However... -5% from level 100 Ambition, -4% from Cannoneer card, and -1% from a grade C Undead in Monster Life, should be enough to ensure no exp loss at death at all. Right?

The least you can lose is 5%, I think Takebacker or Justin proved it.

[TrollHunter]

The least you can lose is 5%, I think Takebacker or Justin proved it.

Well then... death is now quite terrifying again (at least at those levels).
Yay? I don't think so.
Methinks this calls for different penalties upon death.

[66alex66]

Well then... death is now quite terrifying again (at least at those levels).
Yay? I don't think so.
Methinks this calls for different penalties upon death.

I don't mind, I think the game is more fun when there's something at stake. Although others think that a chance to die and lose exp justifies them not doing anything to risk losing exp, like pq, boss, and even train

[Onion Knight]

The least you can lose is 5%, I think Takebacker or Justin proved it.

Which is wierd since the Undead monster life potential goes up to -7% EXP loss.

[TrollHunter]

I don't mind, I think the game is more fun when there's something at stake. Although others think that a chance to die and lose exp justifies them not doing anything to risk losing exp, like pq, boss, and even train

Oh I'm not saying nothing should be at stake. Obviously there should be penalties for death... but when the exp lost becomes as extreme as it will at those levels... that's just a bit much in my eyes.
I'm not sure what it could be effectively changed to though.

[Kabanaw]

Oh I'm not saying nothing should be at stake. Obviously there should be penalties for death... but when the exp lost becomes as extreme as it will at those levels... that's just a bit much in my eyes.
I'm not sure what it could be effectively changed to though.

Death is already annoying enough that people avoid it. The lost time for the journey back is already usually punishment enough. If it takes me 5 minutes to get back to where I was that's 5 minutes of training lost. I'm already going to avoid death.

This is a lot like the concept of lives in platformers. It's generally a bad mechanic that only still exists because it's been grandfathered in by old franchises like Mario. I'm already being punished for dying by going back to the beginning of the level, why do I need to worry about how many times I've done it as well? I already don't want to die, I don't need something else to further discourage and potentially frustrate me. Too much of a punishment for death can create a sense of paranoia which can make the gameplay unfun. I'm not going to have fun playing a game if the entire time I'm just terrified of failure. There's always room for games that try to make you feel a sense of loathing because of the penalties for death (ZombiU does it well with its permadeath) but I don't know if those mechanics belong in a cartoon MMO.

[horakung]

Lv 200 > Lv 210 Exp = Lv 1 > Lv 200 ~3 Time

Lv 249 > Lv 250 Exp = Lv 1 > Lv 200 ~33 Time

[777]

Death is already annoying enough that people avoid it. The lost time for the journey back is already usually punishment enough. If it takes me 5 minutes to get back to where I was that's 5 minutes of training lost. I'm already going to avoid death.

This is a lot like the concept of lives in platformers. It's generally a bad mechanic that only still exists because it's been grandfathered in by old franchises like Mario. I'm already being punished for dying by going back to the beginning of the level, why do I need to worry about how many times I've done it as well? I already don't want to die, I don't need something else to further discourage and potentially frustrate me. Too much of a punishment for death can create a sense of paranoia which can make the gameplay unfun. I'm not going to have fun playing a game if the entire time I'm just terrified of failure. There's always room for games that try to make you feel a sense of loathing because of the penalties for death (ZombiU does it well with its permadeath) but I don't know if those mechanics belong in a cartoon MMO.

i think i saw somewhere that you dont lose exp after level 200.i can be wrong though

[SaptaZapta]

We did some back-of-the-envelope math on this back in February

Well, let's do the math.

Currently the highest-exp training map in the game is Knight's Chamber 5, with a spawn of 17 Advanced Knight E. We will, of course, assume that the mad leveller can kill them faster than they spawn, which means 17 per 10 seconds.
Each Advanced Knight E gives 124,671 exp base.
17 of them give 2,119,407.
There are 360 10-second intervals per hour, so base exp per hour tops out at 762,986,520.

Now, let's assume HS, 2x, Mercedes Link Skill, Pendant of the spirit, and a full party of leeches (nvm that KC5 isn't safe). Gotta run out now so going to handwave that to maybe 10b exp her hour.

How many total exp did 200-250 add up to?

I'm sure somebody can finish these calculations before I come back, but if not, I will.

at 10billion exp an hour (lol not going to happen) it would take 43 days of 24/7 playing to hit 250.

Or 129 days at 8 hours of grinding per day. So 4 months.

Anybody feel like redoing this, taking new areas and Kishin into account?
(Also the most up-to-date exp table, not sure what Justin was using back then)

[MountLag]

It's 1845 hours of 2x exp at Knight's Chamber 5 if exp penalties for level differences exist.

I used the following if anyone cares.

Spoiler

Next Level	Exp TNL	Base Exp Rate	Monster Level	Level Penalty	Holy Symbol	2x Card	5 Leechers + Merc Link + Pendant of Spirit	Exp Rate	Hours TNL	Cumulative
200	0	762,986,520	184	0.95	1.5	2	3.95	8589320749	0.00	0.00
201	2,207,026,470	762,986,520	184	0.95	1.5	2	3.95	8589320749	0.26	0.26
202	2,648,431,764	762,986,520	184	0.95	1.5	2	3.95	8589320749	0.31	0.57
203	3,178,118,116	762,986,520	184	0.95	1.5	2	3.95	8589320749	0.37	0.94
204	3,813,741,739	762,986,520	184	0.9	1.5	2	3.95	8137251236	0.47	1.40
205	4,576,490,086	762,986,520	184	0.9	1.5	2	3.95	8137251236	0.56	1.97
206	5,491,788,103	762,986,520	184	0.9	1.5	2	3.95	8137251236	0.67	2.64
207	6,590,145,723	762,986,520	184	0.9	1.5	2	3.95	8137251236	0.81	3.45
208	7,908,174,867	762,986,520	184	0.9	1.5	2	3.95	8137251236	0.97	4.42
209	9,489,809,840	762,986,520	184	0.85	1.5	2	3.95	7685181723	1.23	5.66
210	11,387,771,808	762,986,520	184	0.85	1.5	2	3.95	7685181723	1.48	7.14
211	24,142,076,232	762,986,520	184	0.85	1.5	2	3.95	7685181723	3.14	10.28
212	25,590,600,805	762,986,520	184	0.85	1.5	2	3.95	7685181723	3.33	13.61
213	27,126,036,853	762,986,520	184	0.85	1.5	2	3.95	7685181723	3.53	17.14
214	28,753,599,064	762,986,520	184	0.8	1.5	2	3.95	7233112210	3.98	21.12
215	30,478,815,007	762,986,520	184	0.8	1.5	2	3.95	7233112210	4.21	25.33
216	32,307,543,907	762,986,520	184	0.8	1.5	2	3.95	7233112210	4.47	29.80
217	34,245,996,541	762,986,520	184	0.8	1.5	2	3.95	7233112210	4.73	34.53
218	36,300,756,333	762,986,520	184	0.8	1.5	2	3.95	7233112210	5.02	39.55
219	38,478,801,712	762,986,520	184	0.75	1.5	2	3.95	6781042697	5.67	45.22
220	40,787,529,814	762,986,520	184	0.75	1.5	2	3.95	6781042697	6.01	51.24
221	84,838,062,013	762,986,520	184	0.75	1.5	2	3.95	6781042697	12.51	63.75
222	88,231,584,493	762,986,520	184	0.75	1.5	2	3.95	6781042697	13.01	76.76
223	91,760,847,872	762,986,520	184	0.75	1.5	2	3.95	6781042697	13.53	90.29
224	95,431,281,786	762,986,520	184	0.7	1.5	2	3.95	6328973183	15.08	105.37
225	99,248,533,057	762,986,520	184	0.7	1.5	2	3.95	6328973183	15.68	121.05
226	103,218,474,379	762,986,520	184	0.7	1.5	2	3.95	6328973183	16.31	137.36
227	107,347,213,354	762,986,520	184	0.7	1.5	2	3.95	6328973183	16.96	154.32
228	111,641,101,888	762,986,520	184	0.7	1.5	2	3.95	6328973183	17.64	171.96
229	116,106,745,963	762,986,520	184	0.65	1.5	2	3.95	5876903670	19.76	191.72
230	120,751,015,801	762,986,520	184	0.65	1.5	2	3.95	5876903670	20.55	212.27
231	246,332,072,234	762,986,520	184	0.65	1.5	2	3.95	5876903670	41.92	254.18
232	251,258,713,678	762,986,520	184	0.65	1.5	2	3.95	5876903670	42.75	296.94
233	256,283,887,951	762,986,520	184	0.65	1.5	2	3.95	5876903670	43.61	340.54
234	261,409,565,710	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	48.19	388.73
235	266,637,757,024	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	49.15	437.88
236	271,970,512,164	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	50.13	488.02
237	277,409,922,407	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	51.14	539.15
238	282,958,120,855	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	52.16	591.31
239	288,617,283,272	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	53.20	644.52
240	294,389,628,937	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	54.27	698.78
241	594,667,050,452	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	109.62	808.40
242	600,613,720,956	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	110.72	919.12
243	606,619,858,165	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	111.82	1030.94
244	612,686,056,746	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	112.94	1143.88
245	618,812,917,313	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	114.07	1257.95
246	625,001,046,486	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	115.21	1373.16
247	631,251,056,950	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	116.36	1489.53
248	637,563,567,519	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	117.53	1607.05
249	643,939,203,194	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	118.70	1725.76
250	650,378,595,225	762,986,520	184	0.6	1.5	2	3.95	5424834157	119.89	1845.65

edit: actually it should take longer than that, I forgot to put something to account for exp splits for party.
edit: There's also a glitch in level penalty. I'm using next level to calculate it, but I should be using current level instead.

[Question]

Lv 200 > Lv 210 Exp = Lv 1 > Lv 200 ~3 Time

Lv 249 > Lv 250 Exp = Lv 1 > Lv 200 ~33 Time

200-210 3x 200 is still so hard........... that like getting 3 more level 200 for just 10 level? I rather make 3 level 200 instead getting 10more level

[TrollHunter]

200-210 3x 200 is still so hard........... that like getting 3 more level 200 for just 10 level? I rather make 3 level 200 instead getting 10more level

The thing you have to consider is: Most of 1-200 requires little to no exp at all... even stronghold takes care of most of that exp quite easily. Now take into account the new ares if they're better? Yeah, 200-210 shouldn't be too big of an issue.

[Dark Zero]

But seeing that there will be places to that high levels.. expect normal mobs that gives MILLIONS of EXP.

[Thorr]

But seeing that there will be places to that high levels.. expect normal mobs that gives MILLIONS of EXP.

But now you are getting into the problem. If Nexon makes normal mobs that give such high exp, you have to keep the lower leveled folk from getting to them. With Stronghold, the lvl 160 doorway does that well. You'll need to enforce that similarly in the high-leveled areas.

[ShadeCaro]

But seeing that there will be places to that high levels.. expect normal mobs that gives MILLIONS of EXP.

This. I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-6 months we get a Theme Dungeon that makes 200-250 a lot easier.

Out of curiosity, how much do Golems give in Twilight Perion for EXP?

[TrollHunter]

But seeing that there will be places to that high levels.. expect normal mobs that gives MILLIONS of EXP.

That's exactly what I said. When mobs give loads of exp like that the "200 3 times" becomes less of an issue when you wipe out say.... the first few hundred million exp in a short time.
200-210 isnt what will be extremely difficult.
What I mean is
1-200 requires x amount of exp
though say.... 1-100 requires just a very small fraction of that overall exp.

Considering the higher leveled mobs will give even more exp than what we're used to at say Stronghold than "leveling to 200 3 times" becomes less daunting.

210 onwards is where it'll really get interesting. That's the point I'm trying to make.