31/1 - Characters' max level is increased to 250!

[Curtiss]

That's been the consensus of the last page and a half, the problem is getting nexon to actually implement it. Coming up with a solution doesn't magically make rankings seperate, you need to get nexon to understand the importance of it, and that importance has to justify spending time and probably little to no money to create a new page for rankings. Seeing as they probably don't give a pomegranate about what 7 year old players achieved 4 or whatever years ago I doubt they will get their monkeys to do the busywork.

*Looks at various ranking-related bugs*
*Looks at how you'd still have to distinguish between pre-BB 200s or whatever*
*Sees sheer amount of effort or hoots Nexon has put into rankings*

Does anyone wonder now why I keep stressing that the players ought to do it? More on that later.

[Kabanaw]

The point is not time investment, the labor, which is also known as "work". I'm sorry the metaphor went over your head. None the less, to dumb it down even further, people like it when video games take hundreds of hours to complete, even if one of the bosses one shots you and it's completely impossible to do it on the hardest difficulty imaginable. (see event 51 on super smash brother melee).

Work and investment is part of video games, a common variable that helps create the interactive environment. Taking away the achievement when practically the only point of getting to 200 is that achievement, considering majority of the content caps at 180, including the job skills, well, doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize it's kind of ridiculous.


@Demonic;

That's exactly what is going to happen and to be expected. The point of this conversation is to realize how silly and/or stupid it is to undermine the achievement/effort as if such an option should be available and tough sh`it to those who managed to do it. They don't sound much better than the Nexon ticketing system to be quite frank.

Whoa there mate, want to try to type up a response where you don't insult my intelligence?

There... are rewards for hitting 200? There's a medal, a message goes out to the whole server you did it, you get a mount, you get a skill, what's taking away a rank that nobody even looks at matter?

[66alex66]

*Looks at various ranking-related bugs*
*Looks at how you'd still have to distinguish between pre-BB 200s or whatever*
*Sees sheer amount of effort or hoots Nexon has put into rankings*

Does anyone wonder now why I keep stressing that the players ought to do it? More on that later.

Elaborate, because all I can imagine right now is either the MWLB that hasn't done anything since it's announcement or wikipedia where some of the simple stuff is modified by "pros" that know everything and are totally objective on the subject. I don't see this working out unless nexon steps up their game and separates the rankings themselves. I also don't understand why people need a statue of liberty to point out something that was done a long time ago, if memories aren't enough or you're afraid of getting amnesia you can just take a screenshot of it while it's up and put it as a wallpaper to remind yourself of the fun you had however many years ago because the only person who really cares about that achievement is the one who is up on that rank. Nobody is taking away your achievement because YOU know that you did it, the only thing they are removing is a way for others to confirm/see that so-and-so is so-and-so rank. If you want to flaunt that achievement in front of the whole maple community post a link in your signature saying you reached rank X that links to a screenshot of your rank, if anything more people will know about it than if you didn't do that and relied on nexon to separate ranks.

[KhainiWest]

Whoa there mate, want to try to type up a response where you don't insult my intelligence?

There... are rewards for hitting 200? There's a medal, a message goes out to the whole server you did it, you get a mount, you get a skill, what's taking away a rank that nobody even looks at matter?

If you're going to play stupid to benefit your argument than I'm going to call you out on it. The rank matters to the person who received it, it's a permanent number that only goes up because of perma bans. Also like to mention that most likely those rewards will probably be stripped away as it's no longer an applicable achievement.

Wasting both our time responding to me only to try to correct me with certain accolades awarded, most likely to be stripped none the less as the significance of 200 is washed away, isn't really adding to the discussion let alone very progressive.

[CrazyForDex]

None the less, to dumb it down even further, people like it when video games take hundreds of hours to complete, even if one of the bosses one shots you and it's completely impossible to do it on the hardest difficulty imaginable. (see event 51 on super smash brother melee)

Wait wait wait . Event 51 was supposed to be impossible to do? News to me.

It is really mind blowing that raising the level cap is causing so much controversy and prompting this much discussion. Who would have thought so many people cared this much about the rankings.

[66alex66]

If you're going to play stupid to benefit your argument than I'm going to call you out on it. The rank matters to the person who received it, it's a permanent number that only goes up because of perma bans. Also like to mention that most likely those rewards will probably be stripped away as it's no longer an applicable achievement.

Wasting both our time responding to me only to try to correct me with certain accolades awarded, most likely to be stripped none the less as the significance of 200 is washed away, isn't really adding to the discussion let alone very progressive.

There, what the pineapple more do you need? YOU reached 200, it's a PERSONAL achievement, why the pineapple should anyone else give a damn about you reaching 200?

[valhala556]

Not giving the current level 200s the credit of making the level cap before the change will guarantee the permanent loss of such players.

Oh wait, they still exist?

except u know... they had X years of credit on the rankings that is currently freely accessible.

[Curtiss]

Elaborate, because all I can imagine right now is either the MWLB that hasn't done anything since it's announcement or wikipedia where some of the simple stuff is modified by "pros" that know everything and are totally objective on the subject. I don't see this working out unless nexon steps up their game and separates the rankings themselves. I also don't understand why people need a statue of liberty to point out something that was done a long time ago, if memories aren't enough or you're afraid of getting amnesia you can just take a screenshot of it while it's up and put it as a wallpaper to remind yourself of the fun you had however many years ago because the only person who really cares about that achievement is the one who is up on that rank.

Thank you for making a good point in your latter sentence. I've seen so many comparisons to artists past, scientists and other such comparisons but I think those are all wrong because by and far achieving level 200 is something personal and only you know the complete story of how you feel, which is a sentiment that could never be captured by any biographer, artist or musician. See what I'm getting at?

Let's assume Nexon actually does what some players want them to do and even separates the rankings. Then what? Would you, the pre-BB veteran invite your new friends to see your ranking on the page and say "And it only took me 2 whole years to do it!"? Would you, the post-250 cap player look at the rankings and think "Wow, people used to be capped at level 200 and it's impressive!"? Would we, the ones that actually remember how tough the journey was to even get to level 120 in the past sit around virtual campfires talking about the drinks we took to keep ourselves awake and pass on the tale to the new generations of Maplers? Would you even have any reason to visit the page more than ten times a year given that you remembered your rank perfectly fine last time and you're not going senile any time soon?

You can talk all you want about records, achievements and bragging rights but that's a hollow victory unless you can accurately convey exactly what it meant to be level 200 in the past and even then you wouldn't need to re-visit it so many times that a company would spare bandwidth for that which you hold more dear than them. I would think it's your memories that are more vivid and that accurately captures the meaning, the sentiment and pride of achieving what others thought was ridiculous and impossible back in the day, so why cheapen that and insist that it's stupid if Nexon doesn't care? You don't even know if their staff actively maintains characters since the game was made so this falls back to my question of your target audience for these rankings so as stupid as it is (Because I agree it's stupid, even if I do not share the same passion for it) Nexon does not share your feelings on why this matters, hence to say that they should do something about it is futile.

[Kabanaw]

If you're going to play stupid to benefit your argument than I'm going to call you out on it. The rank matters to the person who received it, it's a permanent number that only goes up because of perma bans. Also like to mention that most likely those rewards will probably be stripped away as it's no longer an applicable achievement.

Wasting both our time responding to me only to try to correct me with certain accolades awarded, most likely to be stripped none the less as the significance of 200 is washed away, isn't really adding to the discussion let alone very progressive.

Well you can always save your rank in a personal file. Or if some people want to compile a list of all level 200s before the max level increase. I'm also assuming they won't take away anything for reaching level 200 - maybe they won't hand out the rewards to people that hit level 200 after the increase, but I doubt they'd take anything away.

[SaptaZapta]

What Curtiss is saying is that we don't have to hope Nexon does it.
"Separate Rankings" is a fancy name for a snapshot of the current (or the night before the 250 patch) rankings. It won't ever update so it doesn't need maintaining, just storing and displaying.

Once upon a time, @Eos; had a tool on Southperry for calculating how long people would take to get to 200. It involved downloading the rankings (from level 100 or 120 up) every day. He could probably set up a "200-cap Hall of Fame" on here.
Of course it would be better on the official MapleStory site, but knowing Nexon, they'll lose the data before realizing there is a demand for it.

[KhainiWest]

Wait wait wait . Event 51 was supposed to be impossible to do? News to me.

It is really mind blowing that raising the level cap is causing so much controversy and prompting this much discussion. Who would have thought so many people cared this much about the rankings.

I believe if you don't play a substantial amount of SSM, yes neigh impossible.

There, what the pineapple more do you need? YOU reached 200, it's a PERSONAL achievement, why the pineapple should anyone else give a damn about you reaching 200?

Because it's supposed to be set in stone. Do you not think expirable item's in maplestory events aren't stupid? Why is this any different? Why invest so much time (back then) into something that would expire with no acknowledgement of the daunting task you achieved. I don't even own a level 200 and I can sympathize those who took the time who did.

Well you can always save your rank in a personal file. Or if some people want to compile a list of all level 200s before the max level increase. I'm also assuming they won't take away anything for reaching level 200 - maybe they won't hand out the rewards to people that hit level 200 after the increase, but I doubt they'd take anything away.

Why do you think that items that are inferior to items half their level requirement is a given but a separate rank system isn't? Or that players being frustrated losing that accolade?

[Curtiss]

What Curtiss is saying is that we don't have to hope Nexon does it.
"Separate Rankings" is a fancy name for a snapshot of the current (or the night before the 250 patch) rankings. It won't ever update so it doesn't need maintaining, just storing and displaying.

Once upon a time, @Eos; had a tool on Southperry for calculating how long people would take to get to 200. It involved downloading the rankings (from level 100 or 120 up) every day. He could probably set up a "200-cap Hall of Fame" on here.
Of course it would be better on the official MapleStory site, but knowing Nexon, they'll lose the data before realizing there is a demand for it.

Touche. Forget all of the arguments going on here for one second; would you SERIOUSLY trust Nexon to actually do this properly after your 509609 or so complaints on their service, their lack of empathy, crappy GMs that don't know a damned thing about the game and assorted other miseries caused by terminal stupidity on their part?

The game I was referring to previously (Glitch) had players cataloguing what meant the most to them when the game shut down and the company was more than happy to keep their avatars up until people could download everything, while some players went the extra mile and made websites to even capture the good-bye messages that people had posted. THAT'S the kind of co-operation I'd need to see to believe that Nexon wouldn't pineapple things up so badly that you'd think it was better that they just didn't even try but I am quite obviously not seeing it.

[66alex66]

Because it's supposed to be set in stone. Do you not think expirable item's in maplestory events aren't stupid? Why is this any different? Why invest so much time (back then) into something that would expire with no acknowledgement of the daunting task you achieved. I don't even own a level 200 and I can sympathize those who took the time who did.

That is not how an MMO works. There's also a reasonable expiration date and an unreasonable, yes I hate that items expire in maple but that's because I MYSELF weigh the pros and cons of it, somebody else may think it's an awesome item and will get it just because he can and wants. I don't need acknowledgement other than my own on something as futile as an event item, yes it's NICE to get it, but I'm not gonna whine if people don't treat me as their god for getting a 15 atk badge. This is different because 200 is not special anymore, it WAS for a long time, so long that 200s have either quit or started a new character, and making new characters is eventually like beating zak over and over and over and over and over and over which becomes tedious and makes people quit. Reaching 200 is also different because it's the main goal of the game, how many times do you play a game after you've reached the main goal?

[KhainiWest]

That is not how an MMO works. There's also a reasonable expiration date and an unreasonable, yes I hate that items expire in maple but that's because I MYSELF weigh the pros and cons of it, somebody else may think it's an awesome item and will get it just because he can and wants. I don't need acknowledgement other than my own on something as futile as an event item, yes it's NICE to get it, but I'm not gonna whine if people don't treat me as their god for getting a 15 atk badge. This is different because 200 is not special anymore, it WAS for a long time, so long that 200s have either quit or started a new character, and making new characters is eventually like beating zak over and over and over and over and over and over which becomes tedious and makes people quit. Reaching 200 is also different because it's the main goal of the game, how many times do you play a game after you've reached the main goal?

No one is arguing the fact that the level cap, or the difficulty to get the level cap needs to be changed. Unless you want to point out anywhere in my conversations that was in fact a topic.

[Dusk]

Because it's supposed to be set in stone. Do you not think expirable item's in maplestory events aren't stupid? Why is this any different? Why invest so much time (back then) into something that would expire with no acknowledgement of the daunting task you achieved. I don't even own a level 200 and I can sympathize those who took the time who did.

This discussion is so far removed from reality it hurts. If you're looking for reward proportional to time investment, you shouldn't be playing an MMO. The reward for hitting level 200 is a pat on the back and a small sense of personal achievement. Sorry, no choir of angels, no big celebration. I don't want to be cynical here, but the entire point of the ranking is just to be a form of self-validation for people who are willing to sit on their ass and hit three buttons for 3000 hours. There is no real or permanent benefit that comes out of it. If you're not having fun on MapleStory and you're treating it as a form of labor, you need to put the game down and seek help.

[Curtiss]

This discussion is so far removed from reality it hurts. If you're looking for reward proportional to time investment, you shouldn't be playing an MMO. The reward for hitting level 200 is a pat on the back and a small sense of personal achievement. Sorry, no choir of angels, no big celebration. I don't want to be cynical here, but the entire point of the ranking is just to be a form of self-validation for people who are willing to sit on their ass and hit three buttons for 3000 hours. There is no real or permanent benefit that comes out of it. If you're not having fun on MapleStory and you're treating it as a form of labor, you need to put the game down and seek help.

Nethack would like to have a word with you. Sure, you might take years beating the game even 100% spoilered. Sure, you might lose at the end-game a number of times before you succeed. Yes, you will cry. Yes, you will rage and scream. Also yes, the choir of angels is invisible and all you get is the text description. But you know what? It's totally worth it and no one can take that achievement away from you plus you can halt it any time you want and it's free!

Maple Story, on the other hand...Show me how many achievements are left that don't need cash.

[66alex66]

No one is arguing the fact that the level cap, or the difficulty to get the level cap needs to be changed. Unless you want to point out anywhere in my conversations that was in fact a topic.

Alright. The rankings are set in stone in your mind, and can be further set in stone by taking a screenshot like I've suggested. People who collect medals always wear their most rare medal, they don't whine when a new one that's more rare comes out, they acknowledge the fact that the game progresses and realise that they got the other medal when it was rare and tackle the new challenge to get that medal. Or they don't give a crap and quit getting medals, either way they know that they got that rare medal when it was available, nobody is taking that away from them.

[Kabanaw]

This discussion is so far removed from reality it hurts. If you're looking for reward proportional to time investment, you shouldn't be playing an MMO. The reward for hitting level 200 is a pat on the back and a small sense of personal achievement. Sorry, no choir of angels, no big celebration. I don't want to be cynical here, but the entire point of the ranking is just to be a form of self-validation for people who are willing to sit on their ass and hit three buttons for 3000 hours. There is no real or permanent benefit that comes out of it. If you're not having fun on MapleStory and you're treating it as a form of labor, you need to put the game down and seek help.

I am shamed I couldn't articulate my thoughts as well as this. Exactly what I wanted to say.

[KhainiWest]

This discussion is so far removed from reality it hurts.If you're looking for reward proportional to time investment, you shouldn't be playing an MMO. The reward for hitting level 200 is a pat on the back and a small sense of personal achievement.

I'm not sure if you're keeping up with the actual discussion or just picking and choosing what you want to hear, you tend to do that a lot. Once reaching 200 you're promised certain things, included that position on ranking. It's pretty obvious they won't randomly remove that, and most likely have an archive, but it's pretty disappointing that most players don't think they deserve that right at the very least.

Sorry, no choir of angels, no big celebration. I don't want to be cynical here, but the entire point of the ranking is just to be a form of self-validation for people who are willing to sit on their ass and hit three buttons for 3000 hours. There is no real or permanent benefit that comes out of it. If you're not having fun on MapleStory and you're treating it as a form of labor, you need to put the game down and seek help.

There is always work in a game, for christ sake you play MMO games, the worst offenders of this, it's downright to retarded to say there is no work in an MMO at all. The rankings were also in place to encourage competition within the player base, like..well every other game.

Alright. The rankings are set in stone in your mind, and can be further set in stone by taking a screenshot like I've suggested. People who collect medals always wear their most rare medal, they don't whine when a new one that's more rare comes out, they acknowledge the fact that the game progresses and realise that they got the other medal when it was rare and tackle the new challenge to get that medal. Or they don't give a crap and quit getting medals, either way they know that they got that rare medal when it was available, nobody is taking that away from them.

Again you clearly haven't been following the conversation. It's pretty much silly to assume nexon won't put up an archive. I'm arguing against the cynical kid's who believe that there is no value in accomplishment in a game, much like friendships, or relationships in general. It should be apart of the game's history, not swept under the rug as an improvement for "potential for end game content", when the current cap barely had enough of it as it is.

If they don't deserve the ranking, why do the deserve the mount, the medal, or anything really. They did it, so what right? It's not a personal problem to me, so you can stop acting as such.

Geeze arguing with people over the same points, over something that should be common sense is exhausting :|

[Dusk]

I'm not sure if you're keeping up with the actual discussion or just picking and choosing what you want to hear, you tend to do that a lot. Once reaching 200 you're promised certain things, included that position on ranking. It's pretty obvious they won't randomly remove that, and most likely have an archive, but it's pretty disappointing that most players don't think they deserve that right at the very least.



There is always work in a game, for christ sake you play MMO games, the worst offenders of this, it's downright to retarded to say there is no work in an MMO at all. The rankings were also in place to encourage competition within the player base, like..well every other game.

I'm not sure if you're keeping up with the actual discussion or just picking and choosing what you want to hear, you tend to do that a lot. Once reaching 200 you're promised certain things, included that position on ranking. It's pretty obvious they won't randomly remove that, and most likely have an archive, but it's pretty disappointing that most players don't think they deserve that right at the very least.

There is always work in a game, for christ sake you play MMO games, the worst offenders of this, it's downright to retarded to say there is no work in an MMO at all. The rankings were also in place to encourage competition within the player base, like..well every other game.

All you get for hitting level 200 is a handful of in-game bonuses and a public number, and unless that number happens to be 1, or maybe at the very highest 5, nobody but you, a couple of friends, and a handful of strangers on the internet will care. Take a good look at what you're actually working for, and if that's worth it.

I used to play MapleStory like you do, and it took me the longest time to realize that it's just a game, and my accomplishments within the game don't matter to anyone else. Now I no longer play MMOs to feel like I'm accomplishing anything. I currently play Guild Wars 2 so that I can do stuff together with friends. I'm not obligated to continue playing if it gets boring, there's plenty of other things I could be doing.

P.S. Static rankings don't encourage competition, because no one wants to be #24,198. When's the last time you cared about who was going to be the first to hit level 200?