Ignore Def % Limit?

[ShinkuDragon]

first of all even if her amibition is working it only 98% and it does hit more dmg u nub

2nd of all i still think that her range say if ambition is working then she should hit some 55k i havnt seem that
what about the min dmg?

maybe ambition is only half work? like it only 5% not 10% who knew?

so Far we prove that battlemage blow ignore def on 3 and 4th job is broken
we also prove that it seem to be mage ambition is also broken but there could be more

hitting your maximum is incredibly hard, you know of bell's curve right? so we only check to hit for the range that proves or disproves something.

i checked a good while ago the ambition bonus and it was working fine too. dunno where that thread went though.

[Question]

hitting your maximum is incredibly hard, you know of bell's curve right? so we only check to hit for the range that proves or disproves something.

i checked a good while ago the ambition bonus and it was working fine too. dunno where that thread went though.

not really if u keep attacking for 5min u can get like 99% acc right

if your ambition is working i would like to see it out can you show me your ? maybe we can narrow it down to where is the oringal problem? maybe it is mage ambition isnt working

like i said to be sure
we need more proof having one proof it show it working and 2 proof show isnt working not good enough we need more

and im one person i cant solve this problem on my own i already show my i wish you guy can lent more hand so we can figure out what really is going on

[SaptaZapta]

not really if u keep attacking for 5min u can get like 99% acc right

if your ambition is working i would like to see it out can you show me your ? maybe we can narrow it down to where is the oringal problem? maybe it is mage ambition isnt working

like i said to be sure
we need more proof having one proof it show it working and 2 proof show isnt working not good enough we need more

and im one person i cant solve this problem on my own i already show my i wish you guy can lent more hand so we can figure out what really is going on

No.
I am satisfied that my Ambition works fully. I am not going to waste my time, potions, and disk space working to disprove your wild conjecture. Why would Ambition work only halfway?
In about two months my Combat Mastery should have 10% more Ignore Def, until then I have no way of "get 10% more and you'll hit more damage".

This time, you do the work. Take a video of yourself fighting for five minutes. Go over it hit by hit and write down the exact range of observed damage. Compare that range to your nominal range, and then you tell us whether Ambition works halfway or only 2/7 of the way.

[Question]

Try using regular attacks instead of Finishing Blow and see if you get the same results. Also try getting someone else to corroborate your damages, because we know sometimes displayed damage is not actual damage (e.g. 999,999 mage glitch). I think this second part should apply to both @SaptaZapta; and @Question;, at their convenience of course. This is interesting. I might mess around on my Shadower later tonight if I have a block of time to spare.

reg attack? like normal ? LOL? you dont understand mage....

reg attack on magic is weapon attack dmg... reg attack mage can attack super magic def up

reg attack has no effect of boost tell the diff.... meaning the range it is show for my class is magic attack range
there no range to show for physical attack....

meaning all the magic attack boost only give dmg to magic attack range not weapon attack and estaff has some weapon attack that dmg is only given to weapon dmg range...

No.
I am satisfied that my Ambition works fully. I am not going to waste my time, potions, and disk space working to disprove your wild conjecture. Why would Ambition work only halfway?
In about two months my Combat Mastery should have 10% more Ignore Def, until then I have no way of "get 10% more and you'll hit more damage".

This time, you do the work. Take a video of yourself fighting for five minutes. Go over it hit by hit and write down the exact range of observed damage. Compare that range to your nominal range, and then you tell us whether Ambition works halfway or only 2/7 of the way.

ambition may probably work on reg attack but it might not work on skill attack... if u 100% believe it work im ok but as for mage it seem to be a problem

I have a strong possibility that ambition may only work on weapon attack skill but not magic attack skill

[DJGaga]

Someone once told me that ignore pdr does not stack. I will show you what I mean.

Let's say I am fighting PB, which has 70% PDR, right?

Well if I go and attack it since I have 112% ignore.

30% from my bow
21% nebulite
6% Ambition
30% leafre set
25% from marksmanship

Alright so out of that 30% and 30% are the highest ignores I have so what someone told me it does is this:

70%-30% = 49% - 30% =34.3 - 25% = 25.725 = 20.32275 - 6% = 19.013385%

[Question]

Someone once told me that ignore pdr does not stack. I will show you what I mean.

Let's say I am fighting PB, which has 70% PDR, right?

Well if I go and attack it since I have 112% ignore.

30% from my bow
21% nebulite
6% Ambition
30% leafre set
25% from marksmanship

Alright so out of that 30% and 30% are the highest ignores I have so what someone told me it does is this:

70%-30% = 49% - 30% =34.3 - 25% = 25.725 = 20.32275 - 6% = 19.013385%

no they do stack but 100% is max this is fault if this is true then u cant never hit the same dmg on all mob

[DJGaga]

Is there any proof it is true?

[Locked]

Is there any proof it is true?

No.

[Bomber]

first of all even if her amibition is working it only 98% and it does hit more dmg u nub

2nd of all i still think that her range say if ambition is working then she should hit some 55k i havnt seem that
what about the min dmg?

maybe ambition is only half work? like it only 5% not 10% who knew?

so Far we prove that battlemage blow ignore def on 3 and 4th job is broken
we also prove that it seem to be mage ambition is also broken but there could be more

Gee.
Thanks for insulting me and not making sense at the same time.

[Question]

You are a brick wall. It doesn't hit more damage. Get over it.

look who started this ?

[Dark Link]

Jesus Christ, stop nitpicking stuff just to prove a point. All I ever see is "Well maybe X", "What if Y", "Could be Z".

Start providing actual proof / evidence, instead of nitpicking.

look who started this ?

Being called a "Brick Wall" is an insult? I don't even...

[Question]

Jesus Christ, stop nitpicking stuff just to prove a point. All I ever see is "Well maybe X", "What if Y", "Could be Z".

Start providing actual proof / evidence, instead of nitpicking.



Being called a "Brick Wall" is an insult? I don't even...

to me Yes i feel insult

anyway the whole proof and evidence is in the thread ... you didnt read it all did you?
and you know i cant prove anymore cuz i already done my proof and show it in this thread and there also couple more people have prove that my information is right that battlemage ignore def is broken and mage ambition doesnt work at all and now you guy must prove me wrong

[Bomber]

to me Yes i feel insult

anyway the whole proof and evidence is in the thread ... you didnt read it all did you?
and you know i cant prove anymore cuz i already done my proof and show it in this thread and there also couple more people have prove that my information is right that battlemage ignore def is broken and mage ambition doesnt work at all and now you guy must prove me wrong

We have to prove you wrong because you posted a thread?

[Dark Link]

to me Yes i feel insult

anyway the whole proof and evidence is in the thread ... you didnt read it all did you?
and you know i cant prove anymore cuz i already done my proof and show it in this thread and there also couple more people have prove that my information is right that battlemage ignore def is broken and mage ambition doesnt work at all and now you guy must prove me wrong

Of course I read it all. You claimed Ambition was broken. People proved you wrong.
You claimed Ambition is only "Half Working" and/or it "doesn't work with attack skills".
Now you're claiming Mage Ambition is broken.

How about providing SCREENSHOTS? People asked for those, yet you keep sidestepping it. You're making others do your work for you.

[Question]

Of course I read it all. You claimed Ambition was broken. People proved you wrong.
You claimed Ambition is only "Half Working" and/or it "doesn't work with attack skills".
Now you're claiming Mage Ambition is broken.

How about providing SCREENSHOTS? People asked for those, yet you keep sidestepping it. You're making others do your work for you.

One ppl prove me wrong......
One ppl Prove me Right ... also
I prove that ambition is broken too

that half working idea was a guess i didnt claimed that i said it Maybe

Yes now i claim it is a mage ambition problem since the person who prove me wrong is a weapon class
the person prove me right is a mage class and i also prove that ambition is broken is also mage class

[Locked]

Question is, surprisingly, right for once. It seems mages have a bug with ignore PDR though that's really all that is known, we don't know what source is actually bugged since everyone seems to have everything.

[MountLag]

Someone once told me that ignore pdr does not stack. I will show you what I mean.

Let's say I am fighting PB, which has 70% PDR, right?

Well if I go and attack it since I have 112% ignore.

30% from my bow
21% nebulite
6% Ambition
30% leafre set
25% from marksmanship

Alright so out of that 30% and 30% are the highest ignores I have so what someone told me it does is this:

70%-30% = 49% - 30% =34.3 - 25% = 25.725 = 20.32275 - 6% = 19.013385%

Ignore def % is additive. If you have that much ignore, you can test it on Azwan hell mode mobs (70% pdr) to confirm that your damage isn't getting reduced. My Blaze is hitting the same on those and orange mushrooms, so it appears that it's additive for me.

[ShinkuDragon]

Question is, surprisingly, right for once. It seems mages have a bug with ignore PDR though that's really all that is known, we don't know what source is actually bugged since everyone seems to have everything.

although i'm sure you already know, others could use the clarification.


it seems ambition's PDR ignore is only PDR, not MDR too, and that the quintuple blow and such skills of the BaM also don't have any MDR ignore

[MountLag]

Another test, this time with ambition only.

Spoiler

No defense ignore except 8.5% ambition.
Dragon Thrust crits for 200% skill x 150% amp x 150% min&max crit = 450%

		Min		Max
Range		95081		100085
Damage		427864.5	450382.5
Ignore = 0%	128359.35	135114.75
Ignore = 8.5%	153817.2878	161912.5088

I use DMG*(1-DEF*(1-MDR)) for my spreadsheet. DEF = 70% and MDR = 0% or 8.5%

Since the ranges don't overlap at all, we only need 1 data point. 13XXXX hits mean that ambition is not being applied and 15XXXX hits means ambition is being applied.

Spoiler

Well looks like I have 0% ignore.

[Aflac]

So Evan skills properly ignore PDR/MDR, but Battle Mage skills don't?