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[Fiel]

See a problem with the skill tables? Something isn't accurate?

Please post them here and I will take care of them.

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The "Fixed?" Column below has four different states:

No - The issue has not been addressed
CBD - Cannot be done - The request for something to change simply isn't possible.
Scripts - The issue has been addressed, but only in the scripts on my machine
Yes - The issue is addressed and uploaded to the skill tables

Class	Skill	Issue	Fixed?
		Anchor tags for jobIDs	Yes
		Delay values ambiguous	CBD
		List Afterimage hitboxes as ranges	Yes
		Label which skills consumes summoning rocks	Yes
		MP Columns not always first column	Yes
		Change "Seconds" to "Second(s)"	Yes
Sniper	Blizzard	Elemental percentage displayed wrong	Yes
Marksman	Snipe	Should be labeled as cooldown time, not duration	Yes
Crossbowman	Iron Arrow	List damage calculation	Yes
F/P	Poison Breath	Level 29 duration wrong	Yes
Mages	Big Bang	Show hitbox	CBD
F/P	Paralyze	List Paralyze stun differently	Yes
Brawler	Oak Barrel	List as "% Probability to Fail"	Yes
Viper	Energy Orb	Chain Lightning Effect	Yes
I/L	Chain Lightning	Damage reduction	Yes
Dragon Knight	Sacrifice	Change "% given to HP" to "% damage reduced from HP"	Yes
I/L	Cold Beam	-100 speed removed	Yes
Hermit	Avenger	Should note that it consumes 3 stars	Yes
Shadower	Assassinate	Change chargeup time to be "Up to %s seconds chargeup"	Yes
Crusader	Combo Attack	Change "State" animation to be more relevant	CBD
Crusader	Shout	Level 4 box missing	Yes
Assassin	Critical Throw	"Critical" animation not used in game	Yes
Hero	Enrage	Description is inaccurate	Yes

[JoeTang]

Sniper: Blizzard
The column that should be displaying the elemental percentage states freeze time instead. The freeze time column only says "x Seconds" instead of "x second freeze"

Marksman: Snipe
Should it not read "x second cooldown" instead of "seconds"?

Maybe some other skills are deserving of "Fiel's Note:", such as for Iron Arrow:
For each additional mob that Iron Arrow hits, multiply the damage by 0.9. So the first mob receives 100% of the damage, second mob receives 90%, 81%, 72.9%, and so on.

I'll add the things I'm consider later to this post, actually. Just not right now.

[Chameleonic]

So are you going to update these once the Balance Patch comes out?

[Russt]

Maybe add some anchor tags so as to have each job ID redirect to the exact spoiler, rather than just the thread?

[Fiel]

So are you going to update these once the Balance Patch comes out?

Yuppers. Scripts are all ready to go.

[hadriel]

Been around for a long time at the MSEA side, but since I can't always ask Hanabira to poke you, I decided to get an account here.

So anyway, back to the topic proper:

You might have to include the Rebalance changes as well, or make some note of.

Level 29 Poison Breath (F/P II) duration should be 40 seconds instead of 58.

MP column and Duration column for Seal (F/P III and I/L III) got swapped around.

Could you add in the hit box range for Big Bang for all 3 magician classes? Seeing that all other attack spells (aside from the standard range ones) have their attack ranges spelt out.

I wouldn't call Paralyse's disable condition as "stun"...?

Infighter's (Brawler's) MP Recovery has 30ms delay? That's kinda short... just to double-check of course.

Oak Barrel's probability should be "% probability to fail" for clarity's sake.

Viper's Energy Orb needs a note about the Chain Lightning effect too.

Would you like to include a hit box range for Barrage as well?

Cold Beam (I/L II) should freeze instead of "enemy speed -100".

Ice Demon and Blizzard (I/L IV) has a column that says "X freeze duration". Should be "X second(s) freeze duration". Incidentally, you might want to change all "seconds" to "second(s)" because "1 seconds" is grammatically wrong. Also, for Fire Demon (F/P IV) there should also be a disable duration of sorts?

For Chain Lightning (I/L IV), your note about the damage reduction factor... isn't it a final damage modifier instead of a base attack modifier?

Ok that's it for now. Will be going through the other jobs later. Joe noted the MM's part already.

Hadriel

[Fiel]

Level 29 Poison Breath (F/P II) - Error on their part. I'll set a chinchilla on it.

Big bang - No hitbox labeled in the skill data.

Paralyze - So what would you call it?

MP Recovery - I'll double-check

Viper's Energy Orb - That's considered a damage calculation to me. I'll be adding that in later along with all of the other calculations.

Cold Beam - It shows an x = -100 variable. Enemy speed makes the most sense unless you have another idea of what it could mean.

Chain Lightning - Basic Attack modifier is the same thing as a final damage modifier. Both are multipliers outside of the base equation. In other words, a * b * c is the same as c * b * a

[hadriel]

More updates for you to check:

Power Knockback's MP column should be shifted to the first column instead of the last one. This stands for both Hunter and Crossbowman.

For Swordsman, Slash Blast's range column should be shifted to the last column, and Iron Body's MP column should be shifted to the front.

For Dragon Knight, Sacrifice's column "X% of damage given to HP" should be more accurately put as "X% of damage consumed by HP" or something along those lines.

I'm not sure if you want to put Achilles as "X% of damage received" or "Damage reduced by X%"...

For Gunslinger, you might want to indicate Grenade's range of 50% as the damage radius, in comparision to the throwing range which is determined by charge duration.

For Gunslinger's Recoil Shot, the delay value is ambiguous because it doesn't indicate whether it's the delay value for casting another attack spell (whatever you want to call it) or the delay for repeated cast of Recoil Shot. I know there are alot of problems with the delay values for every class, and many are listed while equally many aren't, so you might want to give some thought about how you want to organise these delay values.


Ok saw your updated post before I posted, so I'll add my replies here immediately as well.

Big Band: Ah crap... I just wished that there could be a good hit box data somewhere...

Paralyse... "X seconds paralyse duration" or "X seconds disable duration"? Because stun would be the one with the circles on top, so paralyse doesn't stun per se...

Cold beam effectively freezes because enemy speed -100 would mean it... crawling? That would mean that it moves slower than a snail, but it still moves. Much the same as nependeath and stuff, but effectively it doesn't move anymore, so would freeze be more suitable? I know that's what the data says, but in actual gameplay the player perceives it as "freeze".

About CL, my bad... because I forgot that the modifiers are applied before monster's magic defense damage reduction... (or... I hope I didn't mix up again >.<)

I hope you don't mind me nitpicking on all the small stuff, but because you are trying to do a giant extraction and present to the SP community and other viewers as well, I feel that it should be as presentable and coherent, so arrangement of data should be as streamlined and methodological as well. If you want me to ignore some of the issues, please let me know. Saves post length too.

Hadriel

[Fiel]

Nitpick away. I don't mind. I'll address many of these issues in the days to come.

[hadriel]

Magician: Magic Guard and Magic Armour's MP columns need to be brought to the front.

Priest: Doom's MP column and duration column to be brought to the front.

Priest: Doom, Mystic Door and Summon Dragon lack the note about them consuming Magic Rocks and Summoning Rock.

Bishop: Ressurection's MP column.

Sorry, I don't play Assassin class so I'm not too clear about this... but what's the difference between "X&#37; attack" and "X% skill"? Just checking.

For Hermit, should indicate whether Shadow Mesos break through Weapon Immunity... just for the sake of clarity. Also, Avenger's MP column, and should note that it consumes 3 throwing stars. And... does Flash Jump have a predefined data for it's jumping range?

For Night Lord, Shadow Star's MP column.

For Shadower, you might want to consider putting Assassinate's "X seconds" column as "up to X seconds charge time"... The presentation of this data has been a rather troublesome one everywhere IMO.

For Crusader's Combo Attack, the "State" animation doesn't quite make sense in comparision to the animation we see when actually played out on a Crusader in-game... not a big issue actually. Also... I saw the missing data value for Shout... data issue?

Ok that's about all I can pick out from all your extracts for now. I'll keep checking back for updates and to help you sieve through the errors.

Hadriel

[Hanabira.Kage]

Magician: Magic Guard and Magic Armour's MP columns need to be brought to the front.

Priest: Doom's MP column and duration column to be brought to the front.

Priest: Doom, Mystic Door and Summon Dragon lack the note about them consuming Magic Rocks and Summoning Rock.

Bishop: Ressurection's MP column.

Sorry, I don't play Assassin class so I'm not too clear about this... but what's the difference between "X&#37; attack" and "X% skill"? Just checking.

For Hermit, should indicate whether Shadow Mesos break through Weapon Immunity... just for the sake of clarity. Also, Avenger's MP column, and should note that it consumes 3 throwing stars. And... does Flash Jump have a predefined data for it's jumping range?

For Night Lord, Shadow Star's MP column.

For Shadower, you might want to consider putting Assassinate's "X seconds" column as "up to X seconds charge time"... The presentation of this data has been a rather troublesome one everywhere IMO.

For Crusader's Combo Attack, the "State" animation doesn't quite make sense in comparision to the animation we see when actually played out on a Crusader in-game... not a big issue actually. Also... I saw the missing data value for Shout... data issue?

Ok that's about all I can pick out from all your extracts for now. I'll keep checking back for updates and to help you sieve through the errors.

Hadriel

Oh hi! I see you finally decided to get an account here. :p How about hopping over to the Battlemage and Deeper Mechanics threads? XD

%Attack and %Skill? Are you referring to Shadow Partner? Shadow Partner does 80% damage when the player uses a regular attack, and 50% damage when the player is using a skill.

[hadriel]

Oh ok. I see... thought it was something wrong with the data or something...

In that case, the presentation of the data would be clearer if it's put as "X&#37; of skill damage" and "X% of attack damage". They're all suggestions of course.

I also noticed that some of the changes at the 4th Job thread can be ported over here, in terms of arrangement and stuff of course (e.g. Assassinate's charge up duration column).

The BattleMage and Deeper Mechanics thread is a little dead now... At least... not that much useful discussion right now. Unless you want to do more numbers?

Hadriel

[Duelman]

For Gunslinger's Recoil Shot, the delay value is ambiguous because it doesn't indicate whether it's the delay value for casting another attack spell (whatever you want to call it) or the delay for repeated cast of Recoil Shot. I know there are alot of problems with the delay values for every class, and many are listed while equally many aren't, so you might want to give some thought about how you want to organise these delay values.

The current delay appears to apply only to recoiling a second time in a row. It does not effect any of the other spells that can be cast (from what I can see).

[hadriel]

I know... but the reader might get confused, hence I made that note. If you bothered to refer to the attack speed reference thread, then you would know what delay referred to, but I'm writing both from the lay man's point of view and one who is involved in such data as well (albeit on the application side).

I won't be around for the next 3 days, so have fun spotting errors and correcting them.

Hadriel

[Nikkey]

And... does Flash Jump have a predefined data for it's jumping range?

No.

(Besides, there wouldn't be a jumping range. Rather, it would be a speedX-variable and a speedY-variable. If that's what they're called)

[Shady]

The image animation for critical throw is not shown in game - Assassin.

[SaptaZapta]

The description for (Hero's) Enrage is inaccurate.
The skill requires 10 orbs to be charged, but it does not use them up.

[dominic7777]

The description for (Hero's) Enrage is inaccurate.
The skill requires 10 orbs to be charged, but it does not use them up.

I wonder if the fact that it works with 9 orbs matters. o.o

Spoiler

[Cyanne]

For the passive criticals, 200&#37; actually means +100%, and for taunt, +40% wdef actually means -40% of everyone's damage on the taunted monster. Also, how long do you think it'll take to make the dual blader tables? The ones that are up right now seem outdated.

[Fiel]

There are so many variables I don't know for Dual Blade. The tables are updated as of the latest patch. I suppose I just need to watch more videos.