[Game Over] A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS

[Holypie]

I considered claiming as other roles, but Polantaris was obvious as the cop by then and everything I thought of seemed just as weak.

My biggest regret was not using my ability on Polantaris Night 3 when he's been giving off a strong cop vibe since Day 2. Which was interesting since he didn't even investigate Luv. I liked the way his power was limited. That and Mas's power were really cool designs. By the way, how many days did Mas need to survive to win?

Wondering why y0y0y0y0shi0; went after CJ over Polantaris, but I suppose even if he got that kill, he wouldn't be able to get through all the protections anyway.

Weak, numerous roles are what I was aiming for with this game. Basically every power role had some caveat. As for the MasPan question, it would vary a lot depending on how many deaths there were. For example the 4 death day 2 really sped up his victory. But yeah I think he would have won around day 4/5ish?

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

I didn't kill Polantaris because by that point I wasn't sure they were a cop, or that there even was a cop. I had assumed that they would've investigated me or cast a bit more suspicion my way if they were a cop after I had claimed to be one. When they didn't, and nobody else did, I assumed it was safer to do otherwise. CJ was the easiest kill basically for what Olsi said at the start of the day. It may have been a mistake but I think I stand by it still. Polantaris played it...unexpectedly.

As for the communication thing, I wasn't going to treat people like a puppet on a string. I didn't want to use them as a pawn and control their actions. I knew Niernen and Luv were being extremely scummy so I tried to take it upon myself to divert attention, albeit poorly. It sounded like you guys were just using Luv and I ain't about that. If people are to get better they do so on their own terms. I'm still learning forum mafia myself, even.
Plus I was busy a lot and didn't exactly have the time to try and solve all the problems.

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

[Holypie]

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

Oh what, that was happening? I had my suspicions but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of not cool, since there was info in the dead group that might have given an advantage. Plus if you're dead you shouldn't have any hand in the game. This is kind of why I wanted a forum group for the mafia so I could monitor the happenings.

Oh, nobody commented about Jon not being in the game.

[Kyrastri]

As for the communication thing, I wasn't going to treat people like a puppet on a string. I didn't want to use them as a pawn and control their actions. I knew Niernen and Luv were being extremely scummy so I tried to take it upon myself to divert attention, albeit poorly. It sounded like you guys were just using Luv and I ain't about that. If people are to get better they do so on their own terms. I'm still learning forum mafia myself, even.
Plus I was busy a lot and didn't exactly have the time to try and solve all the problems.

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

To be fair, we didn't really push him to say certain things*, it was mainly censoring stuff that would have given other mafiosos unnecessary attention and potential claims. He quoted niernen from the digital mafia game in response to one of my posts during the first days of Pokemafia, for example, which quite literally threw a spotlight on my head. I believe that getting better shouldn't be at the expense of other player's enjoyment with the game. Luv's got a characteristic of being chaotic in games, which can be useful to all sides depending on what alignment he is.

edit: actually, I can see what you meant by your point here (multi-edits GOGO) For the most part we didn't force his hand. We did (somewhat) thoroughly discuss each post (mainly me going "is this an ok defense"), and checked claims to try and poke holes in them. A lot of my edits were clarity/censorship, after all.

There should probably be a rule about it, since I was iffy with it on pokemafia, but I guess I justified it by there being no additional information that can be gleaned than what the other mafiosos would have had anyway (which still isn't perfect, but still). Post-death discussion definitely should not have occurred this game as there was a dead forum discussing stuff that definitely had the potential to alter the game. I mentioned it on the first page in the ghost chat but it's definitely an honour system so we can't guarantee much. :p

[SaptaZapta]

Oh what, that was happening? I had my suspicions but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of not cool, since there was info in the dead group that might have given an advantage. Plus if you're dead you shouldn't have any hand in the game. This is kind of why I wanted a forum group for the mafia so I could monitor the happenings.

It just needs to be made clear in the rules.
I believe the only reason the mafia kept talking after they died is because nobody told them they shouldn't.
If people want to cheat they can get around the forum group, too, by using PMs or Skype or whatever.

Also, keep in mind that Southperry moderators can see the contents of forum groups. In this case it didn't matter because Hypermug died Night 1, but if any future games include a SP mod, don't tempt them.

[Polantaris]

I considered claiming as other roles, but Polantaris was obvious as the cop by then and everything I thought of seemed just as weak.

My biggest regret was not using my ability on Polantaris Night 3 when he's been giving off a strong cop vibe since Day 2. Which was interesting since he didn't even investigate Luv. I liked the way his power was limited. That and Mas's power were really cool designs. By the way, how many days did Mas need to survive to win?

Wondering why y0y0y0y0shi0; went after CJ over Polantaris, but I suppose even if he got that kill, he wouldn't be able to get through all the protections anyway.

I'm surprised you were certain that I was the cop, certainly none of the other mafia members were or I would have been dead by then for sure.

I was almost certain that Luv was going to be lynched at some point. My game as the cop was to investigate people that were off the radar or not really the focus of attention. The only exception there was Shidoshi, who just played so unexpectedly on Day 1 that it had to be done. I rarely saw any posts from you which is why you were Night 3's target.

I did expect to die on Night 4 though. I called you out out of no where and basically got you lynched on very little, I expected it to be too obvious, but I didn't want to divide attention away from you by calling out y0shi's roleclaim either, since you were pretty under the radar to me.

I don't think Polantaris really needed much to convict Luv this game.

I really didn't. It was just a matter of putting everything together in one place and calling, "wtp!" No offense Luv =X.

Polantaris is gifted as a cop, coupled with his day play... OP nerf pls

Why thank you.

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

Yeah, I guess it needs to be put in the rules but I had always assumed it was self explanatory - Once you're dead, you can't participate in the game in any way anymore.

Oh, nobody commented about Jon not being in the game.

I didn't check the survivor's names, so it never really occurred to me that he was never in at all. I was actually wondering if there was going to be some weird Jon/Ygrette duo going on where maybe Ygrette was able to force Jon to switch sides or something. That would have been interesting.

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

Oh what, that was happening? I had my suspicions but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of not cool, since there was info in the dead group that might have given an advantage. Plus if you're dead you shouldn't have any hand in the game. This is kind of why I wanted a forum group for the mafia so I could monitor the happenings.

Oh, nobody commented about Jon not being in the game.

I pretty much ignored anything they said (it wasn't very much to begin with). But Luv said they did it very very heavily in Pokemafia.

Like I said though, nothing was said that could've compromised the game, and very little was actually said anyway.

[Olsi]

Yea yoshi still SUCKED. Polantaris played really well this game kudos to him.

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

Yea yoshi still SUCKED. Polantaris played really well this game kudos to him.

Fight me 1v1 irc mafia scrubzilla

/* go kiss that girl noob */

[Holypie]

It just needs to be made clear in the rules.
I believe the only reason the mafia kept talking after they died is because nobody told them they shouldn't.
If people want to cheat they can get around the forum group, too, by using PMs or Skype or whatever.

Also, keep in mind that Southperry moderators can see the contents of forum groups. In this case it didn't matter because Hypermug died Night 1, but if any future games include a SP mod, don't tempt them.

Yeah I just thought it was assumed since dead townies aren't supposed to talk either so it makes sense that should apply to the mafia as well. Well, that's a lesson learned. I also didn't know that about the forum groups. Do you know if regular members can see the members of an invite only group? That was why I didn't end up using a forum group anyway.

I pretty much ignored anything they said (it wasn't very much to begin with). But Luv said they did it very very heavily in Pokemafia.

Like I said though, nothing was said that could've compromised the game, and very little was actually said anyway.

I was actually pretty close to posting the roles in the dead group, but Kyrastri didn't want me because she wanted to guess who was mafia. If I had ended up posting them, it would have been pretty catastrophic.

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

It sounded like it's been happening in like every past game though and that was a bit concerning. :?

[Hypermug]

Yeah I just thought it was assumed since dead townies aren't supposed to talk either so it makes sense that should apply to the mafia as well. Well, that's a lesson learned. I also didn't know that about the forum groups. Do you know if regular members can see the members of an invite only group? That was why I didn't end up using a forum group anyway.


I was actually pretty close to posting the roles in the dead group, but Kyrastri didn't want me because she wanted to guess who was mafia. If I had ended up posting them, it would have been pretty catastrophic.

I don't think they can for private groups. Never mind, they can.

This situation and new information angers me a little bit. I don't know what was said...but if this was really going on, come on guys, where's the integrity?

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

I mean this game the only things said were like: "We pineappleed, good luck.", "This play is risky!" and "DEATH TO MAS"
So it wasn't anything that like actually mattered really. But yeah.

Luv said that Mas and Kyra were doing it all game in Pokemafia so I assumed that that was maybe how SP was handling it, but I still pretty much tried to ignore what little was actually said because I didn't like it. Again, I've only played like 2 games of forum mafia outside of SP and I don't recall ever being mafia(?) so I didn't really have any point of reference for how it was handled.

If anything compromising had been said I would've reported it immediately, though.
I'd rather lose on my own terms than win with something I didn't approve of.

[SaptaZapta]

Do you know if regular members can see the members of an invite only group?

They can.

[Holypie]

They can.

Yeah then it was a good call not to use groups.

Previous games that I've modded required the mafia to BCC me any PMs that they send (which is pretty inconvenient) but yeah, now we know for next time. At least now it's come to light.

[Shidoshi]

You could just make it so the dead players group was only for dead townies/neutrals and keep mafia talking after they die (or not).

[MasPan]

I mean this game the only things said were like: "We pineappleed, good luck.", "This play is risky!" and "DEATH TO MAS"
So it wasn't anything that like actually mattered really. But yeah.

Luv said that Mas and Kyra were doing it all game in Pokemafia so I assumed that that was maybe how SP was handling it, but I still pretty much tried to ignore what little was actually said because I didn't like it. Again, I've only played like 2 games of forum mafia outside of SP and I don't recall ever being mafia(?) so I didn't really have any point of reference for how it was handled.

If anything compromising had been said I would've reported it immediately, though.
I'd rather lose on my own terms than win with something I didn't approve of.

Typically it's never been outlawed and it's something I've been used to seeing allowed. If it was ever the slightest question of "we shouldn't be doing this" we wouldn't have. I've always understood it as (aside from revival/contact the dead/other "death" related abilities) one of the biggest reasons you don't communicate with other players outside of your faction/mason group once dead. I can honestly go either way with regards to whether it should be banned or not as a general rule.

[Polantaris]

I know we didn't do it during the Captain Planet mafia, but that was also like a year or two ago now, so that's not really saying much.

[Holypie]

It's not even that you would know people's roles or something, it's just that once you're dead you shouldn't be able to influence the game at all, otherwise death for mafia is just a numbers game, since if your pro player dies early they can just play vicariously through the other players, or they could be giving reads or info to the living. It's like how if a townie dies they shouldn't be PMing other (presumed) townies advice. Once you're dead, you're out of the game. I don't really mind about the past games because it was never really brought up so nobody knew it was happening, but I think there should definitely be a rule about it for future games.

[LuvDWayULie]

I think it's fine for the mafia to talk with one another during the game once they are dead, but the mafias should not know any info about the Townies/Neutrals if they are allowed to talk. The same goes for Townies/Neutrals.