[Game Over] A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS

[VerrKol]

I also find it pretty unlikely that Hypermug's ability would only work on TheBirds, but I'm not sure who else within the lore would receive a benefit from it.

Literally no one else would benefit lore wise. I suspect there are no other onion related powers, but it's always possible for there to be another role blocker.

[meowmixx]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING YALL afternoon/evening to you other folk.
So as I promised I slept on the game and didnt get much out of it.

Not going to lie I thought Stannis' people would be the neutral party but i can see why they are townie. Them barbarians are a threat to all.
Any ideas on who else could be a neutral (if there is ofc)?

i'm also shocked no one claimed to get an onion. the onion knight died when he was with us in the morning so he must have been able to give it to someone...UNLESS he gave it to kyra which would make sense. Since our cook died in the last lynch and kyra and hyper HAD to know who each other were since it did say that they couldn't communicate outside of game thread to each other.

And that was breaking news with meowmixx. now to the weather report from tiffany.....

[Shidoshi]

I didn't get anything in the night. Also thanks for trusting me a bit @Polantaris;. I can see how being the only player going aggressive might attract attention, it gets people uncomfortable and feels like a justifiable lynch.

[Niernen]

People are metagaming again....

[Olsi]

People are metagaming again....

it always happens its kind of suckish =/.
Lets not forget last game where luv lived the first day and i got killed because people made an excuse via metagaming

[Polantaris]

the onion knight died when he was with us in the morning so he must have been able to give it to someone...UNLESS he gave it to kyra which would make sense. Since our cook died in the last lynch and kyra and hyper HAD to know who each other were since it did say that they couldn't communicate outside of game thread to each other.

I disagree. That message was probably there in the event that they knew who they were through the process of the game. At least in the past, the moderator would keep the information about who is their allies but blank it out, IE, "Your fellow mafiosos are: <REDACTED>." I think it was there to say that even though you might learn who the Onion Knight/Stannis was, you can't talk to them outside of the game.

Not going to lie I thought Stannis' people would be the neutral party but i can see why they are townie. Them barbarians are a threat to all.
Any ideas on who else could be a neutral (if there is ofc)?

I didn't really think Stannis' people were going to be neutral, because of the win condition of, "All threats to the realm eliminated." Why would Stannis be neutral towards that goal?

I can see Coldhands (the Other), being Neutral, because why would he care about either side of us at all, and if for some reason Dany's group is here, since she doesn't care about the current Westeros leaders/people, she wants to wage war to take it over anyway so she'll most likely be killing some of us to gain her throne. At the very least she wouldn't care about Wildlings vs Night's Watch because she can just torch the Wildlings when they show up.

I didn't get anything in the night. Also thanks for trusting me a bit Polantaris;. I can see how being the only player going aggressive might attract attention, it gets people uncomfortable and feels like a justifiable lynch.

No problem. I think people are too adverse to someone being aggressive. That's not to say I completely trust you, but I'm not going to chastise you for it, either.

Getting nothing kinda sucks, it doesn't seem like many people did anything that affects others (that they know of, at least).

[Shidoshi]

It sucks but it's hard to avoid, if you judge people only by their posts without looking at the forum ID, you'd lynch LuvD every time and it's not always the right thing to do.

[Niernen]

That's my point. Using metagaming as an excuse to lynch/not lynch is silly. If someone was mafia, they probably wouldn't suddenly start acting different because then people would be "He's acting different from xx games, lets lynch him". Or conversely, if you were mafia, you could just to the same thing, being silent or overly talkative, ect., because people will say it is your style and protect you. Or if people learn or try to play differently, they suddenly get screwed from playing differently from their first few games because they must be mafia to play differently, right?

[Shidoshi]

Yes and no. People will play differently as mafia, but it's not so obvious. It's in the subtleties in general. Last game it was clear Mas was mafia from the way he was diverting subjects, for example.

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

Well that was unfortunate. I was actually inclined to suspect Stannis + Davos + Melisandra (?) would be neutral, but that's obviously incorrect. I did not expect that suicide pact though and it really hits the town hard.

I have no nocturnal events to report unfortunately.

If there is a Melisandra still in the game, I'd think they'd be neutral, even if Stannis/Davos aren't.


I got a very odd role PM last night, but I'm not going to elaborate beyond that.

Mafia tends to be a game of metagaming, and I think it's a tool we shouldn't ignore. "Past connections will always lose to future collaboration" was something I was taught early on. If we work together using our knowledge of past games we have a better chance of winning.

I mostly agree with Mas on Shidoshi though. The aggression just seems extremely odd. Past games it seemed like Shidoshi was more level-headed with reasoning/precaution, this tunneling of Luv/Olsi just seems odd. And the last few posts last night just seemed...a bit too emotional, I guess? And using AtE on Polantaris just seems out of character as well.

However, if Shidoshi is scum, I think it's more than likely that Luv is too. This is looking like a repeat of last game's day 1. "Focus Luv, hammer someone else at the last minute"

Meowmix's last post is verrrrryyyyy odd and I'm going to ping them as my next scum suspect.

I think Polantaris is the only one so far that I think is probably town.

I'm gonna hold off voting for a little while, though. Better safe than sorry?

[Polantaris]

I mostly agree with Mas on Shidoshi though. The aggression just seems extremely odd. Past games it seemed like Shidoshi was more level-headed with reasoning/precaution, this tunneling of Luv/Olsi just seems odd. And the last few posts last night just seemed...a bit too emotional, I guess? And using AtE on Polantaris just seems out of character as well.

AtE?

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

AtE?

Appeal to emotion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
VV

I didn't get anything in the night. Also thanks for trusting me a bit Polantaris;. I can see how being the only player going aggressive might attract attention, it gets people uncomfortable and feels like a justifiable lynch.

[Polantaris]

Appeal to emotion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
VV

Oh. Yeah. I didn't catch the Acronym. Thanks.

[Shidoshi]

I did get a bit emotional last night, probably because my play style backfired on me and it seemed like I would be lynched. I considered going quieter today, but I don't think it's a better idea.

LuvD's posts really caught my attention today, but my reasons for suspicion of Niernen and Olsi remain.
I'm also finding y0y0y0y0shi0 acting very weird with respect to his other games, but I might be jumping at shadows now that a lot of players seem to suspect me now.

I hate not being very good at expressing why certain players seem suspicious to me, I generally end up with short posts.

I'll be home later in the afternoon to post from my computer with more patience.

[Shidoshi]

[vote] Shidoshi;

An early vote for Kyrastri that you seemed to pass off as as a joke and now aggressively pointing fingers at the admittedly suspicious LuvDWayULie;

I don't want this to become another game of "Everybody suspects Luv but nobody ever lynches him" but I certainly am not going to jump on him after 1 day. No offense intended, but I'm not into playing kick-the-cripple.

How is voting for someone that is suspicious a bad thing? And yeah, my first vote was based on Kyra's flavour claim since the Night's Watch chooses its own leaders, but later removed when I understood who he was claiming as.

I have the feeling I'm being the elefant in the room, catching so much attention that most of the talk is about me. That way it's hard to evaluate other players because it's impossible for me to be unbiased, everything will seem close to OMGUS coming from me.

And how can you avoid going by feeling when you are blind?

[meowmixx]

How is voting for someone that is suspicious a bad thing? And yeah, my first vote was based on Kyra's flavour claim since the Night's Watch chooses its own leaders, but later removed when I understood who he was claiming as.

I have the feeling I'm being the elefant in the room, catching so much attention that most of the talk is about me. That way it's hard to evaluate other players because it's impossible for me to be unbiased, everything will seem close to OMGUS coming from me.

And how can you avoid going by feeling when you are blind?

there there its ok Shidoshi. as momma always told me "if you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one including yourself". do what YOU feel is right and if everyone else dont like it then at least you know u stayed true to urself. plus the day is still young :)
also...wasnt there a blind guy in the knights watch?

[Shidoshi]

Removed my vote from LuvD.

Grouping up meow, me and LuvD as suspicious feels weird. What we've had of meow would point more towards the normal cluelessness of Day 1 that most people not that experienced get, which would lead me to think he's town. My vote for LuvD was so we could start out this day with some action and not just wait on something to happen (which never happens). If my voting for Olsi on Day 1 seemed convenient, Olsi's jump on the wagon on me was even more convenient.

[Vote] y0y0y0y0shi0

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

None of that makes any actual sense. You're basically saying that a possible lapse in judgment regarding Olsi's eagerness to vote you, in equivalence to you voting him, makes me scum because I should think he is scum as well. Which would make all 3 of us scum. None of that is uhhh..what's the word...concurrent?
You're admitting that your vote yesterday was convenient and suspicious, and therefore so is Olsi's, and by not commenting on Olsi's vote I'm scum too. But if you're admitting that your vote was suspicious how are you faulting us for thinking you're scum?

And Luv was the person who *started* "grouping up" on meow. But it's suspicious that people are grouping up on them both?

I didn't fault meow for the "day 1 cluelessness" but their post today basically looks like they're ignoring everything that's happened in the thread since then for the sake of putting up an appearance of posting, which seems odd to me.

[Shidoshi]

I'm not admitting my vote was convenient and suspicious, just that you seemed to be finding suspicion in me when Olsi's vote was the weird one.

[VerrKol]

also...wasnt there a blind guy in the knights watch?

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