Character Card System

[Takebacker]

Ditch pally, add another kaiser.

[Yugidude]

Ditch pally, add another kaiser.

but then i lose the Xplorer Set affect, do you think its worth it?

[Grey]

but then i lose the Xplorer Set affect, do you think its worth it?

The explorer set is only some number of all stats, which pales in comparison to the 10/20/40/80 STR you could be getting from another Kaiser, which is worth much more on a Hero. So, yes, it's worth it.

[Dark Link]

Add two Bursters for MORE DAMAGE! Unless 2ndary stats doesn't add to damage range anymore...?

[ShinkuDragon]

here just to say that warrior set bonus damage is useless and sucks.

[IllegallySane]

So with Kaiser/Burster/Luminous being crazy good with their +stats, is it worth having the Pirate card set anymore for that +6% ignore defense?

There's also the "Double Kaiser" / "Double Burster" system for double STR / DEX, which is what I plan on doing.
Can't say "no" to 80+ STR and 80+ DEX.

Wait how does it work? Is it having Kaiser/Burster in each deck?

[Yugidude]

2x post glich, ignore this

[Yugidude]

The explorer set is only some number of all stats, which pales in comparison to the 10/20/40/80 STR you could be getting from another Kaiser, which is worth much more on a Hero. So, yes, it's worth it.

But the pally card is 300 dmg w/ a L 200 main, + the set affect, can the kaiser card outweigh them both?

here just to say that warrior set bonus damage is useless and sucks.

uh, Correct me if im wrong, but with 3 L100's , i would get 8% of my HP as dmg, and on my hero thats 1.8k. thats a pretty nice bonus.

So with Kaiser/Burster/Luminous being crazy good with their +stats, is it worth having the Pirate card set anymore for that +6% ignore defense?



Wait how does it work? Is it having Kaiser/Burster in each deck?

yep, if you have 2 L200s of each, youd get 160 STR/DEX

[Grey]

But the pally card is 300 dmg w/ a L 200 main, + the set affect, can the kaiser card outweigh them both?
uh, Correct me if im wrong, but with 3 L100's , i would get 8% of my HP as dmg, and on my hero thats 1.8k. thats a pretty nice bonus.
yep, if you have 2 L200s of each, youd get 160 STR/DEX

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the stats you get would probably give you more than +300 range, depending on exactly how much, and I guess your % stat, though I'm not entirely sure % stats affect character card +stats. The warrior set sucks because it only works on base HP and it's only additional damage at the very end of all damage calculations, it doesn't actually add to your range, it appears there, but damage is calculated without counting it as part of your range. If you somehow had 99,999 base HP, it would still only just give you +9,999 damage on top of what you normally do, if you do several hundred thousand worth of damage, it'd boost your damage by less than 10%, and this is best case scenario with 10% HP to Damage and max base HP.

[Yugidude]

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the stats you get would probably give you more than +300 range, depending on exactly how much, and I guess your % stat, though I'm not entirely sure % stats affect character card +stats. The warrior set sucks because it only works on base HP and it's only additional damage at the very end of all damage calculations, it doesn't actually add to your range, it appears there, but damage is calculated without counting it as part of your range. If you somehow had 99,999 base HP, it would still only just give you +9,999 damage on top of what you normally do, if you do several hundred thousand worth of damage, it'd boost your damage by less than 10%, and this is best case scenario with 10% HP to Damage and max base HP.

oh. well that certinly changes things. thanks. so what sets (If any) are actually worth getting?

[Dark Link]

uh, Correct me if im wrong, but with 3 L100's , i would get 8% of my HP as dmg, and on my hero thats 1.8k. thats a pretty nice bonus.

It's 1.8k to your FINAL damage.
So if you did 1,000 beforehand, you now do 2,800.

[Yugidude]

It's 1.8k to your FINAL damage.
So if you did 1,000 beforehand, you now do 2,800.

yep, i just learned that from the other guy, my appoligies

[ShinkuDragon]

yep, i just learned that from the other guy, my appoligies

and just adding, it's BASE hp, so your hp after skills like hp increase or %hp equips, or +hp equipment isn't going to your damage.

[Voyeur]

Haha, sorry if I caused any trouble by sparking this thread up >__>;

But ya, if you do the math for the Warrior set bonus, no matter what you thematically number crunch it for, even having just the 1 Bucc some where in a set is better for extra damage. And I do think that the Pirate set bonus is worth the effect it yields, unless like others have stated, you can already reach that 80% PDR cap ( I believe that's all you need atm for Empress and other bossses) So if you can, then focus on the Kaiser/Burster it seems for those stat boosts. The class set abilities for All STat + don't really compare....your character won't obviously need ALL OF them at just a mere 10, if it can gain 80+ to its main stats instead.

[Grey]

Haha, sorry if I caused any trouble by sparking this thread up >__>;

But ya, if you do the math for the Warrior set bonus, no matter what you thematically number crunch it for, even having just the 1 Bucc some where in a set is better for extra damage. And I do think that the Pirate set bonus is worth the effect it yields, unless like others have stated, you can already reach that 80% PDR cap ( I believe that's all you need atm for Empress and other bossses) So if you can, then focus on the Kaiser/Burster it seems for those stat boosts. The class set abilities for All STat + don't really compare....your character won't obviously need ALL OF them at just a mere 10, if it can gain 80+ to its main stats instead.

You don't subtract your ignore defense from a monster's defense, you ignore whatever percentage of ignore you have of a monster's defense, for example, if you have 60% and a monster has 10%, you ignore 60% of the monster's def, 60% of 10% is 6%, so the monster has 4% DEF remaining. Hence, you need 100% Ignore Defense to ignore all of a monsters defense, whether it's 10%, 25%, 40% or 70% DEF and anything less will cause you to remain hindered by the monster's defense.

[Even]

Lol what. Kaiser does nothing for his characters. Mikhail is so insignificant it's hilarious he's even a card. Cannoneer sucks too.

If you didnt notice already, that suggestion is towards using least char slots and obtaining most link skills + koc buff at the same time. But then again the bucc and paladin bonus isnt THAT great for me. Pluss he wanted a bonus set for both of his sets, one being pirate and the other being warrior. What other options are there if you take out paladin and dark knight atm? Not many, especially not many that is worth it. Demon slayer being the best of all options imo and kaiser being the next useful. But like I mentioned before if you want that little extra dmg you can go ahead and make this list instead which I personally dont think is worth the time:

Nothing special, just that you get all link skills, koc buff and everything with LEAST char slots used but if you really want to use so much time to perfect this then go ahead and do the set you already have now. Kaiser wont change anything but still replace thunder breaker with angelic burster and put some warrior in the 2nd set. Thunder breaker bonus dmg is just not that good at all and you cant obtain the lvl 120+ 3x card bonus which is better than tb bonus together.

Set 1: Mechanic, Bucc, Angelic Burster
Set 2: Dark knight, Demon Slayer, Paladin

that would be my suggestion untill something better comes out.

Edit: keep in mind that after tempest the cards change to lvl 30, 60, 100 and 200 so you wont need to level them futher than 100.

Edit: If you were to ignore set bonuses (by that you already have 100% ignore defense) I would go with this set if I REALLY wanted to spend time into getting most bonus dmg for mercedes db/shadower:

Set 1: Angelic burster, bucc, paladin
Set 2: Angelic burster, bucc, paladin

But thats still not that great for db and shadower untill a luk + card comes out, I dont think there is any better option for just dmg bonus tho, maybe replace bucc or paladin with marksman for more crit.

[VerrKol]

I'm kind of surprised this didn't come up in the thread earlier, but I'll add it here in case anyone had the same idea as me.

Originally, I was hoping that the drain affect for Aran could be activated by summons. What BM wouldn't love a Phoenix or E Puppet attack activating drain while running around seduced?

Based on my testing though, summon attacks don't count...
When I get bored I'll test on my Mercedes to make sure it isn't just certain summons.

On a side note, anyone care to critique my card sets?
Set 1: BM SS, MM S, Merc S
I'll eventually get the MM and Merc to S. I know the BM affect sucks, but I'm not getting any non-archers to 200.

Individual Bonuses: 3% crit + 4% cd reduction + 8% acc (lols...)
Unique Set Bonus: 3% damage to FA
S Rank Bonus: +700 HP, +700 MP, +3 ATK, +3 M.ATK, +3% damage to bosses

Set 2 (pure damage): Angelic Buster S, Mechanic S, Jett S
These are just mules and could easily be interchanged. I know Jett has a crappy bonus, but I'm not going to make a Bucc just for the piddly damage it adds. At least I won't have to cast Phoenix and E Puppet as often.

Individual Bonuses: +40 dex + 15% buff duration + 8% summon duration
Unique Set Bonus: 8% PDR
S Set Bonus:

Set 3 (survivability/anti-sed): BaM S, DS S, DrK S
Individual Bonueses: 4% damage reduction, 3% status resist, 4% hp
Unique Set Bonus: none
S Set Bonus

My logic:
BM is my main character so I'm strictly think about it in terms of damage/survivability.

I'll be getting all 3 archers to 200 eventually just because I enjoy playing them. They are the only character I'm likely to ever hit 200 with so I'm keeping them for the eventual SS bonus. I really hope there's a Nova archer I can replace my BM with...

Assuming I can eventually get enough character slots (currently at 12), I'd like to be able to swap between a pirate set for pdr (8% will give me 100% pdr including the Luminous link skill) and the best I can get for surviving HT/CHT/CZAK and future sed crazy bosses. I'll probably be using the pirate set for everything except when I solo nasty seducers like HT.

So I'm looking for any improvements I can make. I'm particularly interested in how cd reduction and buff duration work with the new hyper skills/buffs. I'm assuming that I will get 15-15*.04 will give me a 14.4 cd on Wind of Frey? How does rounding factor here?

Has anyone confirmed that the BaM's damage reduction works on 1/1? I know it should, but just checking.

The only really possible changes that occur to me are getting %def from Mihile or %avoid from DB for survival. I can't really see anything being better than the pirate set for pure damage.

[ShinkuDragon]

I'm kind of surprised this didn't come up in the thread earlier, but I'll add it here in case anyone had the same idea as me.

Originally, I was hoping that the drain affect for Aran could be activated by summons. What BM wouldn't love a Phoenix or E Puppet attack activating drain while running around seduced?

Based on my testing though, summon attacks don't count...
When I get bored I'll test on my Mercedes to make sure it isn't just certain summons.

On a side note, anyone care to critique my card sets?
Set 1: BM SS, MM S, Merc S
I'll eventually get the MM and Merc to S. I know the BM affect sucks, but I'm not getting any non-archers to 200.

Individual Bonuses: 3% crit + 4% cd reduction + 8% acc (lols...)
Unique Set Bonus: 3% damage to FA
S Rank Bonus: +700 HP, +700 MP, +3 ATK, +3 M.ATK, +3% damage to bosses

Set 2 (pure damage): Angelic Buster S, Mechanic S, Jett S
These are just mules and could easily be interchanged. I know Jett has a crappy bonus, but I'm not going to make a Bucc just for the piddly damage it adds. At least I won't have to cast Phoenix and E Puppet as often.

Individual Bonuses: +40 dex + 15% buff duration + 8% summon duration
Unique Set Bonus: 8% PDR
S Set Bonus:

Set 3 (survivability/anti-sed): BaM S, DS S, DrK S
Individual Bonueses: 4% damage reduction, 3% status resist, 4% hp
Unique Set Bonus: none
S Set Bonus

My logic:
BM is my main character so I'm strictly think about it in terms of damage/survivability.

I'll be getting all 3 archers to 200 eventually just because I enjoy playing them. They are the only character I'm likely to ever hit 200 with so I'm keeping them for the eventual SS bonus. I really hope there's a Nova archer I can replace my BM with...

Assuming I can eventually get enough character slots (currently at 12), I'd like to be able to swap between a pirate set for pdr (8% will give me 100% pdr including the Luminous link skill) and the best I can get for surviving HT/CHT/CZAK and future sed crazy bosses. I'll probably be using the pirate set for everything except when I solo nasty seducers like HT.

So I'm looking for any improvements I can make. I'm particularly interested in how cd reduction and buff duration work with the new hyper skills/buffs. I'm assuming that I will get 15-15*.04 will give me a 14.4 cd on Wind of Frey? How does rounding factor here?

Has anyone confirmed that the BaM's damage reduction works on 1/1? I know it should, but just checking.

The only really possible changes that occur to me are getting %def from Mihile or %avoid from DB for survival. I can't really see anything being better than the pirate set for pure damage.

BaM reduction USED TO work on 1/1, at some point it stopped working, and hasn't been fixed since. at least, i haven't checked. in a while.

[VerrKol]

BaM reduction USED TO work on 1/1, at some point it stopped working, and hasn't been fixed since. at least, i haven't checked. in a while.

Well that would be spectacularly unhelpful if it didn't... Guess I'll go with DB for avoid then.

[Curtiss]

I'm just checking in here since this is about character cards and all:

Is that BaM card effect fixed or still bugged at GMS? We've obtained the same bug too.