[Game Over] Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins

[Polantaris]

Maybe TheBirds nuked you instead of me? Actually TheBirds nuking me to trigger a kill would be pretty pointless.

Since the game is over, I don't see anything wrong with quoting the PM:

You roll over and place yourself in front of Holypie, ready to protect him from any incoming attacks. The air starts rumbling, and you see a light in the distance quickly approaching. Before you can react, you are hit by a massive laser. You hold on as long as you can, valiantly defending Holypie. Just as the laser ends you feel yourself slip away and return down below. It looks like your time has come to an end.

It was definitely aimed at you.

[Holypie]

Since the game is over, I don't see anything wrong with quoting the PM:



It was definitely aimed at you.

Well that's silly. Unless he thought I was mafia in which case it makes sense but oh well.

[LuvDWayULie]

Quoting my PMs here:

Niernen,

I would like to [Thunder] Hypermug.


​Thanks.

You succesfully electrocute Hypermug.

You successfully remove Y0shi with your thunderbolt.

Niernen,

I would like to [Thunder] Words.

Thanks.

You are able to fire off a thunder and score a direct hit on Words. He slowly starts fading away while you leave.

Dear Niernen,

I would like to [Thunder] xBTAx.

Thanks.

You fire off your Thunder at xBTAx and watch as it connects. It looks like it was a super effective hit, not that it mattered either way, and xBTAx starts to fade away.

Niernen,

I wish to [Thunder] ChaoticCJ.

If there are any changes to the target, my teammates will PM you the changes. I'm going to sleep already :(

Thanks.

You come upon ChatoicCJ, it seems like he is wishing for the well being of others. Without giving him a moments notice, you blast him with a full power thunderbolt, knocking the unfortunate victim out and sending him back to where he came from.

Summoning a large thunder cloud, you let off a massive thunderbolt at Polantaris. After the smoke clears, you are startled to see he is completely unharmed, and dash off before anyone can investigate.

Summoning a large thunder cloud, you let off a massive thunderbolt at Polantaris. After the smoke clears, you are startled to see he is completely unharmed, and dash off before anyone can investigate.

HE MUST BE GROUND TYPE!

Type effectiveness would not stop the mafia kill.

Hmm, I didn't kill you, Polantaris.

[Holypie]

Probably because of defense curl.

Also how does everyone feel about another game? I'm ready to host but I'm not sure if people are burnt out or are busy due to school starting. It'll be a smaller, less crazy game but still with a few interesting twists. I'm allowed to have my fun too.

[Shidoshi]

I'm up to play as long as it's not a crazy 20+ players game full of power roles.

(Also don't make neutral survival roles that really should just be town roles)

[Hypermug]

Probably because of defense curl.

Also how does everyone feel about another game? I'm ready to host but I'm not sure if people are burnt out or are busy due to school starting. It'll be a smaller, less crazy game but still with a few interesting twists. I'm allowed to have my fun too.

I'd be interested as well.

[Words]

I'd like to apologize for my dumb investigations, last weeks have been weird with the work interviews, getting the paperwork they required where I'm going to work and hanging out with friends made it hard to focus, despite thinking I had enough time to play it was tiring and I was all hasty when reading and writing. I'd love to join the next game but work starts next week and I don't want the same thing to happen again.

I'll sign up as a sub, just in case you need one and work isn't tiring.

[Holypie]

I'm up to play as long as it's not a crazy 20+ players game full of power roles.

(Also don't make neutral survival roles that really should just be town roles)

I'm thinking like 16 tops with much more toned down roles. I think I balanced it decently too, but I guess you can't really know for sure until it plays out.

[Kyrastri]

I'm thinking like 16 tops with much more toned down roles. I think I balanced it decently too, but I guess you can't really know for sure until it plays out.

I'd be happy to play, but I'm just worried because I know jack pomegranate about GoT :p

[Polantaris]

Also how does everyone feel about another game? I'm ready to host but I'm not sure if people are burnt out or are busy due to school starting. It'll be a smaller, less crazy game but still with a few interesting twists. I'm allowed to have my fun too.

I'm down for another game.

[VerrKol]

I'm in for another game as usual. Overall, I'm actually rather pleased with my performance this game given the circumstances. I was wrong about Olsi, but right about MasPan. I got rather lucky with the Luv vs Cakes lynch, but the reasoning I had was sound. I never really expected the mafia to try to lynch their godfather so quickly lol so I guess Luv had me pretty well fooled. Kyrastri and MasPan deserve props for pulling it off so well.

My only serious complaint is the severe ambiguity in my role powers. I really think my Watergun description should have been more clear since it's thematically dead wrong. If you're going to turn a damage move into a status cure, you should probably let me know instead of leaving me to spray people futilely. Beyond that, HOW DID I EVEN DIE??? Meta had no kill ability and I should have been immune to damage from abilities anyway. If I had lived, I'm pretty sure the town would have won since the voting pretty much validated Cakes in my mind.

I don't overall have a problem with the power roles since just about everyone was equally overpowered, but the alteration of abilities as the game progressed WITHOUT warning was pretty ridiculous and in my opinion not fun. Niernen overstepped his bounds a bit and actively tried to influence the game. My Adventure ability should probably have never given me information about Meta's dolls and I think it really points to manipulation to make me suspicious of him. Kyrastri and TheBirds changing abilities at least made sense thematically and were spelled out in PMs. This was a good example of how this should have been handled. People like Cakes shouldn't wake up one morning to randomly have a shiny new power. I'm fine with some unscripted interactions between abilities like Polantaris+Kyrastri, but they need to make more sense logically/thematically to allow player skill to actually influence the game and not sow chaos.

[MetaSeraphim]

Beyond that, HOW DID I EVEN DIE??? Meta had no kill ability and I should have been immune to damage from abilities anyway.

You use your psychic to toss Verrkol off the side of the tower down to the world below.

I don't ever remember being on a tower, but whatever.

[Kyrastri]

Beyond that, HOW DID I EVEN DIE??? Meta had no kill ability and I should have been immune to damage from abilities anyway. If I had lived, I'm pretty sure the town would have won since the voting pretty much validated Cakes in my mind.

I assumed that it would go Digital Mafia style where the kill is submitted by one person of the mafia, but once that person dies the ability goes to another mafioso. A mafia unable to kill is pretty pointless and goes against the whole game; once the godfather dies the mafia is significantly hindered.

+ remember that Meta initially voted for Luv on D1 as well (Mas voted Shidoshi; he started the wagon)! I actually got the PM to vote for Luv on D1, but since I was at school I couldn't vote earlier.

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

I don't really think there was ever a reason why Cakes should've been suspicious.

If someone is given an item that, when used, stops their action-immunity and gives them a double vote, I think it's pretty safe to say that person isn't going to be mafia because that would probably be the most broken thing in existence.

And given both our role PMs and Shidoshi's role PM I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that you wouldn't need to kill a neutral to survive.

/* /also totally called Luv/Meta/Mas as soon as Kyra died */


Aside from the obvious "town was scummy as pineapple and their own worst enemy", I think my main problem was just inconsistencies. Some people knowing about the fundamental aspects of the game and others not (type effectiveness, what their roles actually did, etc), some powers giving people role PMs but others not, that sort of thing. And with the general lack of information with the fact that peoples' roles kept changing, it seemed like we were trying to play 4 different games of mafia all at once. It was just way too much. At times it seemed like we got too much information and then other times it seemed like we got too little. :/

[Holypie]

OH MY GOD I JUST REALIZED THAT MAFIA COULDN'T HAVE WON! @Niernen; it was Meta and I left alive, and the mafia can't win if they don't kill all the town right? So he has to kill me, but then I kill him back. Therefore, depending on how you parse the win conditions, either town and mafia both win because both factions have been completely eliminated, or nobody wins because nobody is left alive. BOOM VOLTORB WINS AGAIN MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION HAHAHA.

[MasPan]

OH MY GOD I JUST REALIZED THAT MAFIA COULDN'T HAVE WON! Niernen; it was Meta and I left alive, and the mafia can't win if they don't kill all the town right? So he has to kill me, but then I kill him back. Therefore, depending on how you parse the win conditions, either town and mafia both win because both factions have been completely eliminated, or nobody wins because nobody is left alive. BOOM VOLTORB WINS AGAIN MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION HAHAHA.

Actually, mafia typically has a win condition regarding the town being incapable of voting them off. If anything it'd be a stalemate during the day, and Meta could still afaik use Substitute on himself (if memory serves he was bs'ing the HP factor of it entirely) to prevent a backlash at night. So while there was basically no possible win condition for you, he had several.

[Shidoshi]

Depends how the win conditions were phrased.

[Holypie]

Actually, mafia typically has a win condition regarding the town being incapable of voting them off. If anything it'd be a stalemate during the day, and Meta could still afaik use Substitute on himself (if memory serves he was bs'ing the HP factor of it entirely) to prevent a backlash at night. So while there was basically no possible win condition for you, he had several.

Town wins when all the mafia are Judged (AKA killed) and mafia needs to eliminate the town. I also have a PM from Niernen saying that my self destruct is unstoppable.

Here it is:

You are Voltorb. Your instability causes you Self-Destruct when you are Judged. After your Judgment, you may choose one player to take down with you. You are sided with the Town and win once all the Mafia have been Judged.

Is Judgement the same as lynching or is it any kill?

Any kill. If you will be killed my the mafia, I will inform you and you may tell me your target. If you are going to be lynched, you can either PM me and I will announce it, or declare you are going to Self Destruct and take player with you before you are lynched. Try not to announce it too early though.

Hmmm, when does my Self Destruct take place? I send the action to you in the middle of the night but does it occur in the morning immediately after I die? Just trying to work out mechanics and whether or not it's a night action that can be blocked.

When you are targeted for a kill, and once I know it can not be stopped, I will send you a PM asking who you would like to take with you. If it is close to the end of the day and you know you will be lynched, you can send me a PM to let me know who you want to take with you. At night I will try to PM you as early as possible. If I can not get a response in time, I will kill whoever killed you at night, or during the day it will be a dud. No skill can stop your self-destruct.

So I think it would be a joint win where everyone is dead, or Meta opts to stalemate and not act at night. Either way, it's not a sole mafia victory. HAHA Turns out my role was useful after all. I don't think Niernen thought of this though, because it basically ensures that mafia needs to have at least two members alive to win.

[MetaSeraphim]

Yeah, I actually had substitute out for myself on that last day and mine unlike those I gave out lasted forever so my substitute would've taken the fall when I killed you.


In the end all it means is Mega Mr. Mime confirmed.

[CakesXD]

Mr. Mime OP.