[KMST] [1.2.379] More Magician Tweaks

[Malthe]

with a good bishop who knows wtp they are doing, the run is easier on me. Bishops still have the best party skill in game, so until that goes their dps should be that of a supporter. If you're complaining about low dps then quit nobody is forcing you onto ur bishop to boss, make a nl or a mech.

Did i complain about DPS? No.
I even wrote "I'm all for implementing things or changing bishops so that they could be a supporting class, but as things are right now, support doesnt work in this game."
But ok, the run is easier on you, i suppose if you sometimes forget to pot or forget to use all cures, it's easier.
But if you can remember to do those things yourself bishops really have no point.
And the best party skill? Only good party skill they have is HS, that doesnt help you kill the boss, it helps you level.
Bless was improved but still not really needed.

[Shidoshi]

To add on the usefulness of Bishops on boss runs: healing the seduced people (or ressurrecting them).

Even if they are quite useful on boss runs that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a bit more firepower at least to let them train alone when they want and kill some bosses solo.

[yo72]

Did i complain about DPS? No.
I even wrote "I'm all for implementing things or changing bishops so that they could be a supporting class, but as things are right now, support doesnt work in this game."
But ok, the run is easier on you, i suppose if you sometimes forget to pot or forget to use all cures, it's easier.
But if you can remember to do those things yourself bishops really have no point.
And the best party skill? Only good party skill they have is HS, that doesnt help you kill the boss, it helps you level.
Bless was improved but still not really needed.

Ur original point was support doesn't work in ms, when in fact a bishop gets chosen just for 1 support skill. And for some info, I don't forget to pot or use all cures, a GOOD bishop can dispell you just as fast as u can use an all cure.

[Malthe]

Ur original point was support doesn't work in ms, when in fact a bishop gets chosen just for 1 support skill.

Which?
And my point is still that support doesnt work in maplestory as things are right now.

And for some info, I don't forget to pot or use all cures, a GOOD bishop can dispell you just as fast as u can use an all cure.

Sure, and you can use all cures just as fast as he can dispel and then you can have an extra attacker and kill the boss that much faster.

[JoeTang]

Holy Symbol is not a support skill.

[yo72]

This is just a revolving door, I find bishops better than attackers. While you find no use at all.

Holy Symbol is not a support skill.

how not? its the best skill in the game

[Malthe]

This is just a revolving door, I find bishops better than attackers. While you find no use at all.

No i see the use for bishops. But attackers are better as long as what bishops provide can be replaced by items.

how not? its the best skill in the game

For exp, nothing else. It does not help you kill in any way, it does not support in the killing process.

[Dusk]

Party buffs are not support skills.

[Hanabira.Kage]

Why don't we just step away from discussing support skills for now, and focus on the matter at hand; the new skills?

[Dusk]

Why don't we just step away from discussing support skills for now, and focus on the matter at hand; the new skills?

They're not very interesting but they fix a lot of issues with Archmages; Bishops are still terrible, which is why they are being discussed.

[donovan]

Glacial Chain's animation makes little sense now, something that strong is not going to grab anything, and won't be used as a bossing skill, biggest gripe left. Other than us still having Magic Bolt and Seal.

[Shidoshi]

Why don't we just step away from discussing support skills for now, and focus on the matter at hand; the new skills?

Rebalancing of the mage classes is completely related.

Support skills of a Bishop:
-Heal: useful for seduce, pot lock, pot delay.
-Advanced Bless: plays a bit of the part of HB (specially useful for low-HP classes), though survivability post-BB is not that hard to achieve; helps with avoid (not that significant on BB, don't know the formula post-Chaos); other buffs are nice but nothing special.
-Shield Thing: blocking 10 hits can be useful to save some players from death or help classes without stance, can be useless if the no-delay misses are plentiful.
-MW: useful but everyone has it.
-Ressurrection: Wheels can replace it, but it's still useful as it doesn't change seduce order.
-Dispell: can be replaced by all-cures but it's nice when you are pot-locked/seduced or if the bishop knows when you'll have a status and can dispell before you potion.

Again, they are useful when the boss run is a hard one, post-BB that would be C-Zak, C-HT and PB (dunno about Van Leon, haven't heard much about him).
When most of the bosses the normal people do don't require a Bishop to be defeated a supporting class is not of much help. Most people will never do a cHT, cZak or PB.
They need to be useful outside those bosses as well, not just an HS mule.

[hadriel]

Most people will never do a cHT, cZak or PB.

Is that true? As in, I don't know the bossing and squad culture in GMS. How's it like in the various worlds?

Hadriel

[iamflip]

Herp a derp. What the hell were they thinking of nerfing Summon Dragon, Holy Focus, and Big Bang? Angel Ray though... looks freaking insane. I wanna know how much of a hitbox it has now. O.O

Also, going with Shidoshi's point, it's not like you can do Chaos boss (or PB) runs daily. These are tough bosses which require investment... and there isn't the luxury to do these bosses often nor have the right people for them all the time. While for us Bishops, it's worth going into these runs to help people... IT'S THE ONLY RUNS THAT WE CAN BE THE MOST HELPFUL. Apparently. And we can't even do them often.

So what's left for us? Nada, unless we get some improvements in gaining EXP. :/

[Malthe]

Herp a derp. What the hell were they thinking of nerfing Summon Dragon

Summon dragon wasn't nerfed. It was replaced with booster.

[Panacea]

Cool new AR animation is cool.

And I never expected getting booster.

[Abysseon]

Glacial Chain's animation makes little sense now, something that strong is not going to grab anything, and won't be used as a bossing skill, biggest gripe left. Other than us still having Magic Bolt and Seal.

I wonder why they increased the mob count to 12 when Chain Lightning still hits 5...

Also, what's wrong with GC's animation?

My only concerns is the lack of a 'chain' effect similar to Chain Lightning and the damage compared to Mist Eruption's 1.5x boost for each DoT.

[iamflip]

Summon dragon wasn't nerfed. It was replaced with booster.

Oh.

Don't know if want then. Then again, Summon Dragon wasn't all that useful for me while I was a Priest, so meh.

Also, whoever thought that Bishops should only be used as buff mules should be somewhat right yet slapped and kicked and beaten at the same time. :|

[Kalemora]

Spell Booster:
Changed - Description (MP를 소비하여 일정시간 동안 마법 공격속도를 2단계 상승시킨다.\n필요 스킬 : #c엘리멘탈 엠플리피케이션 3레벨 이상# --> MP를 소비하여 일정시간 동안 마법 공격속도를 2단계 상승시킨다.\n필요 스킬 : #c엘리먼트 엠플리피케이션 3레벨 이상#)
Changed - x (-3 --> -2)

Thought this would happen.

At least they restored the 10% bonus to Infinity.

[Panacea]

Is that true? As in, I don't know the bossing and squad culture in GMS. How's it like in the various worlds?

Hadriel

It's true for cHT and PB, whereas cZak is a little more common. But yes, overall Shidoshi's right. PB isn't killed a lot, mainly because preparing for it takes a while. Though if your group is strong, it's still do-able even without a Bishop.

cHT, however, is a different story. Combine the excessive stun, zombify, and seduce and you have yourself a death trap. I would, hands down, say that cHT is extremely more challenging than PB.

And the only thing that concerns me at cZak is the dispel at arms, and then zombify during the bodies. Currently, zombify has no animation and so unless I test Heal first, I'm in constant paranoia.