[Game Over] Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

[KhainiWest]

It just says heals someone from getting hurt, it doesn't specify in what fashion but that just maybe a role related, I don't know.

[LuvDWayULie]

It just says heals someone from getting hurt, it doesn't specify in what fashion but that just maybe a role related, I don't know.

Sorry for judging you, but it does not sound clear to me. Too vague for me, in fact.

This post just enhances the theory that you are, in fact, a potential mafia candidate.

Keeping with my vote against you, until I see some change in the situation.

CJ posted again, but I will have to see also.

[KhainiWest]

Sorry for judging you, but it does not sound clear to me. Too vague for me, in fact.

This post just enhances the theory that you are, in fact, a potential mafia candidate.

Keeping with my vote against you, until I see some change in the situation.

CJ posted again, but I will have to see also.

>claims doctor
>No one counterclaims
>Blames person for game hosts poorly worded role

In fact you're new to this so I'd be surprised if you knew what a doctor role actually did. It sounds like, based on your flimsy reasoning, you want to get me lynched so you can use your mafia power on one of the cops. I'm positive you're mafia now, you're inexperienced just like the mafia members.

[Kyrastri]

Did a quick vote tally (this won't be in order of who voted who, just whoever was first on my spreadsheet), will be responding to posts not long afterwards (I'll edit this post)

CURRENT VOTES:
Shidoshi (1): Faonkarino
ChaoticCJ(2): Shidoshi, Holypie
TheBirds(4): Corn, Niernen, xBTAx, TheBirds
KhainiWest(1): LuvDWayULie
Holypie(1): KhainiWest

Yet to vote: @ChaoticCJ;, @Polantaris;, Me, @Olsi;, @CakesXD;

[ChaoticCJ]

Well this is interesting. I am still going off of my apple theory, but it led me to this:

Mealy Mel, Gilded Gilly, Goldy Goodwife, Merry Mac, Sour Sheila, Barney Brewster all has something in common… while Godmother Smith and Johnny Red have something in common. Perhaps it is my paranoid nature, but it seems like a better clue than what we have now.

I am still not entirely convinced KhainiWest is the doctor. There are two other player who have hinted toward being the doctor, and with the mess I don't blame them for hiding. The only thing is that KhainiWest seem to be about 75% town, but with a 33% chance of being the doctor. The only thing that keeps me from saying that you are 100% town is that if everyone has been truthful about their name it is possible you are Ruffalo Robin(or Robin Ruffalo). I think it was Niernen(I can’t remember for sure and it’s late) who said something about a Robin and the flavor indicates the same.

Oh, I also keep forgetting to ask. Holypie, and Kyrastri would either of your abilities indicate if someone did something at night? The only reason I am asking is because Kyrastri’s abilities seemed to have changed from one night to the next and I was wondering if it had to do with if a person decides to use an ability at night. The reason I am asking is because if Olsi knew he was going to be targeted, it would be smart to do nothing the night he was investigated. I may be wrong; I am just not sure how either of your abilities works. [I am mostly just curious for the sake of information and statistics-not actually throwing suspicion at you are anything like that.]

I do want to see what people have to say about my names theory before voting...

[KhainiWest]

I went with Ruffalo because the actor, who played the Hulk in the avengers is also a doctor, technically, which is what I was stating was a subtext hint to polantaris or whatever. My actual name is Shining Sam and I'm a golden apple, wasn't there another golden one?

[Kyrastri]

The point of my entire suggestion, which everyone was pretty much on board for until the last minute, was to spread our search. The purpose of this is because sanity isn't easily verified especially by simply researching the same guy. Neither party did this smart, they didn't withhold information or mislead the other claimed cop to verify if they both got the same information. They revealed "he good apple" followed by "I agree". That provides us nothing, so right now we are sitting pretty with one less person to perpetrate, which is one that POSTS ALL OF THE TIME.

Okay, yeah, shooting that Olsi was innocent straight off was pretty pineappleing stupid of me. I didn't even consider to do that.

Both Khaini and LuvD have made things that can be attributed as either newbness or scum. However, LuvD's majority voting was more clearly newbish and he has been pretty forward saying he's new to the game as well as changing his behavior. Khaini's has been gauging players as lynch targets with weak reasoning and hasn't really come here apologize for anything as new player syndrome.

Personally, I don't think he, or anyone else should be attributing scummy behaviour for new player syndrome. It's been several days, people. It doesn't take that long to read a few pages on mafiascum.

I don't think Khaini should be crucified for giving suspicions, especially given the fact that he didn't back most of those up with a vote (he has already given his justification against Holypie) since we were all practically encouraging one another to voice opinions. He did it crudely at first, but I think he has a point for now.

However, as posts were put onto the thread, and especially faon's, it seems quite clear that Khaini kept asking who's the doctor and suddenly makes a post claiming he is the doctor. I find it strange and odd, as if I were the doctor, I would not ask about who's the doctor (Obviously). Khaini's tone is really worrying me, and I think he could be a potential mafia.

Really? I would, though not to the obvious extent that Khaini went (which naturally completely flew over my head in a glorious shower of fireworks and wooshing noises). It would focus attention away from you, especially when telling the doctor to keep quiet. What I don't understand is why he was telling the doctor to come forward, not because I think he's mafia, but because the doctor would be at a disadvantage (to me at least) with their identity known to the mafia.

- Mafia with 1-shot lynch immunity, which would not be a first on SP.

Why would they openly waste their lynch immunity, though? I'm curious to hear what you've got to say :)

If I were the mafia, I would have killed you instead in the first few days, which brings me to you now.

Back up a little bit. I don't understand what you're saying.

Why would you have killed Khaini in the first few days? How does this bring you to him now?

I don't think you're the doctor. Even if you are, your powers aren't helping the town when you are just criticizing about everything!

He has every right to criticise anyone, barring his use of language. There were no rules that we couldn't criticise past behaviour. Also, what leads you to believe that he isn't the doctor? Aside from my previous mention of him trying to out the doctor then claiming, I don't see what else would strike him as suss.

What I'm kind of confused about is why the hell does Kyrastri get different information in different nights? First night she gets that CJ is a green apple whoop dee doo, and the next night she gets legitimate alignment information? I don't know about you guys but that's a bit strange. Not necessarily saying that she's suspicious (that's really silly to be a mafia and claim flavour cop against a cop claim) but it's something to note.

Buddy, I'm just as baffled as you are D: I never expected full alignment information, but I'm honestly gonna work with and report whatever I get.

Mealy Mel, Gilded Gilly, Goldy Goodwife, Merry Mac, Sour Sheila, Barney Brewster all has something in common… while Godmother Smith and Johnny Red have something in common. Perhaps it is my paranoid nature, but it seems like a better clue than what we have now.

Um... mind telling us who is who? I know Goodwife is LuvD, Sour was Verrkol and Godmother was Words (and gilly was me ofc c:) but who are the rest?

Oh, I also keep forgetting to ask. Holypie, and Kyrastri would either of your abilities indicate if someone did something at night? The only reason I am asking is because Kyrastri’s abilities seemed to have changed from one night to the next and I was wondering if it had to do with if a person decides to use an ability at night. The reason I am asking is because if Olsi knew he was going to be targeted, it would be smart to do nothing the night he was investigated. I may be wrong; I am just not sure how either of your abilities works. [I am mostly just curious for the sake of information and statistics-not actually throwing suspicion at you are anything like that.]

My Role PM only alludes to investigating "clues" to their "identity". You could infer that I'd be able to find more information if they used/didn't use a night action, so if that's the case;

If Olsi used a night action, ChaoticCJ did not.
If Olsi did not use a night action, ChaoticCJ did, which might allude to mafia-like behaviour (I believe [Kill] would count as a night action for mafia)

EDIT

This post just enhances the theory that you are, in fact, a potential mafia candidate.

Clearly it means we [vote] maspan, amirite :p

I went with Ruffalo because the actor, who played the Hulk in the avengers is also a doctor, technically, which is what I was stating was a subtext hint to polantaris or whatever. My actual name is Shining Sam and I'm a golden apple, wasn't there another golden one?

Goddamn movie knowledge ]:

There's quite a number of Golden Delicious apples, myself included :3

[LuvDWayULie]

Will give my explanation later as I'm on the phone.

To reply Kyrastri's question, Merry Mac is your other counterpart, Holypie.

I know what I said is baseless. Will edit this post to fit in my explanation.

[EDIT]
Let me start with this first.

>claims doctor
>No one counterclaims
>Blames person for game hosts poorly worded role

In fact you're new to this so I'd be surprised if you knew what a doctor role actually did. It sounds like, based on your flimsy reasoning, you want to get me lynched so you can use your mafia power on one of the cops. I'm positive you're mafia now, you're inexperienced just like the mafia members.

Oh wow, I knew you're gonna say this over and over again. Me being a mafia? I know quite a few people are getting suspicious of me too, and I'm not going to defend myself, as I said earlier.

And no, I do know what does a doctor do. Its name already said by itself: To protect a player from being killed at night. My reasoning is flimsy, but unlike you, I don't keep asking who's the doctor and then suddenly claim to be a doctor.

Plus, what makes me even sure that you're the mafia member is when you keep accusing me of being one, when I'm not. You obviously know who are the mafias. and I'm one of the most suspected mafia members, so you decided to blame it all on me.

Okay, yeah, shooting that Olsi was innocent straight off was pretty pineappleing stupid of me. I didn't even consider to do that.



Personally, I don't think he, or anyone else should be attributing scummy behaviour for new player syndrome. It's been several days, people. It doesn't take that long to read a few pages on mafiascum.

I don't think Khaini should be crucified for giving suspicions, especially given the fact that he didn't back most of those up with a vote (he has already given his justification against Holypie) since we were all practically encouraging one another to voice opinions. He did it crudely at first, but I think he has a point for now.

Really? I would, though not to the obvious extent that Khaini went (which naturally completely flew over my head in a glorious shower of fireworks and wooshing noises). It would focus attention away from you, especially when telling the doctor to keep quiet. What I don't understand is why he was telling the doctor to come forward, not because I think he's mafia, but because the doctor would be at a disadvantage (to me at least) with their identity known to the mafia.



Why would they openly waste their lynch immunity, though? I'm curious to hear what you've got to say :)

Back up a little bit. I don't understand what you're saying.

Why would you have killed Khaini in the first few days? How does this bring you to him now?

He has every right to criticise anyone, barring his use of language. There were no rules that we couldn't criticise past behaviour. Also, what leads you to believe that he isn't the doctor? Aside from my previous mention of him trying to out the doctor then claiming, I don't see what else would strike him as suss.



Buddy, I'm just as baffled as you are D: I never expected full alignment information, but I'm honestly gonna work with and report whatever I get.

Um... mind telling us who is who? I know Goodwife is LuvD, Sour was Verrkol and Godmother was Words (and gilly was me ofc c:) but who are the rest?

My Role PM only alludes to investigating "clues" to their "identity". You could infer that I'd be able to find more information if they used/didn't use a night action, so if that's the case;

If Olsi used a night action, ChaoticCJ did not.
If Olsi did not use a night action, ChaoticCJ did, which might allude to mafia-like behaviour (I believe [Kill] would count as a night action for mafia)

EDIT


Clearly it means we [vote] maspan, amirite :p



Goddamn movie knowledge ]:

There's quite a number of Golden Delicious apples, myself included :3

Clearly now the attention has been focused on me. And, my purpose of accusing Khaini of being the mafia does not push the attention away from me, but instead I'm suspected as one now. Why am I doing this if I'm the mafia? I would have gone with the majority and voted for TheBirds, which I clearly did not do. Yes, you might say that I'm voting a allegedly claimed doctor, but as I said earlier, I don't believe he is one but he is the mafia himself.

I would've killed Khaini in the first few days because iirc (Sorry if I'm wrong), like me, Khaini posted passive stuffs and was not actively contributing to the Town (I may be wrong, and you can blame me for this. But because of the time constraint, I do not have enough time to double-check). His hysterical posts further escalated the suspicions. About "this brings to you now", disregard it, as I was using figurative speech.

About Khaini criticizing everyone, I believe he can do so, but to me, his critique does not seem to help the Town in finding the mafia. I think he is just going around in circles, blaming everyone for being incompetent in finding out the mafia, and not going in his way. This does not look very Town-ish to me. With faol's post collecting Khaini's posts where Khaini asked who's the doctor, then suggested what the doctor should do, and then claimed that he himself is a doctor, I am even more sure that Khaini is a potential mafia candidate (Note that I use candidate, not mafia itself, as I may be wrong)

Finally, I do not blame Maspan for his usage of words. Heck, I do not even know if Khaini is really paraphrasing Maspan's words, or just creating his own words.

If I'm wrong about Khaini, I'm sorry. I will not be surprised if I'm lynched today (If not today, then the next day) because I'm one of the only ones (Other than CJ's post about agreeing about my suspicions) to suggest/accuse that Khaini is the mafia, with Khaini counter accused me as one. If I'm dead by tonight, good luck Townies. If I'm alive by tonight, I'll try my best to find the remaining mafias.

P.S. To Khaini, please do not be angry at me after the game. I treat this as merely an intellectual discussion/game, which I will just play for fun :)

[Niernen]

The reason I am asking is because if Olsi knew he was going to be targeted, it would be smart to do nothing the night he was investigated. I may be wrong; I am just not sure how either of your abilities works. [I am mostly just curious for the sake of information and statistics-not actually throwing suspicion at you are anything like that.]

I do want to see what people have to say about my names theory before voting...

Good point. It was not exactly a secret that he would be investigated, so he could have waited a day. But that would only protect him form someone watching his actions. A cop is usually able to see alignment, so being inactive should not help.


@LuvDWayULie;, Khaini voting for you really doesn't mean he is mafia. You were somewhat suspicious/unstable the first day or so. Sure, if he was mafia it would be easy to point his finger at you, but there are also other suspicious people he could point to. One thing I don't get is why you keep claiming you would have killed him if you were mafia. Mafia does not kill inactive ("I would've killed Khaini in the first few days because iirc (Sorry if I'm wrong), like me, Khaini posted passive stuffs and was not actively contributing to the Town"), they usually try to kill people with powers or that are very active. Killing of an inactive member as the mafia would be extremely stupid.


I was thinking about this, it seems @TheBirds power activates when he is lynched (or killed, not sure if there is a difference). It could be possible that he has evidence he can't reveal, or by inspecting him/his belongings we could find clues. Seems to be the only reason to try and kill himself. Unless he has some power like a suicide bomb.

[LuvDWayULie]

Good point. It was not exactly a secret that he would be investigated, so he could have waited a day. But that would only protect him form someone watching his actions. A cop is usually able to see alignment, so being inactive should not help.


LuvDWayULie;, Khaini voting for you really doesn't mean he is mafia. You were somewhat suspicious/unstable the first day or so. Sure, if he was mafia it would be easy to point his finger at you, but there are also other suspicious people he could point to. One thing I don't get is why you keep claiming you would have killed him if you were mafia. Mafia does not kill inactive ("I would've killed Khaini in the first few days because iirc (Sorry if I'm wrong), like me, Khaini posted passive stuffs and was not actively contributing to the Town"), they usually try to kill people with powers or that are very active. Killing of an inactive member as the mafia would be extremely stupid.


I was thinking about this, it seems @TheBirds power activates when he is lynched (or killed, not sure if there is a difference). It could be possible that he has evidence he can't reveal, or by inspecting him/his belongings we could find clues. Seems to be the only reason to try and kill himself. Unless he has some power like a suicide bomb.

I know that. But because of his vote for me, I believe he is the one we're looking for. I know you don't get it why would I keep saying I would've killed him in the first few days if I were the mafia. I also know that killing an inactive as a mafia would be ridiculously stupid. The reason of it is because I believe Khaini has powers, and by powers, I mean mafia powers.

Anyway, I think I might have given a bad example (If I were the mafia). I meant the pro-Town one, (If I were the vigilante). My bad. I also know that because of my constant errors, my chance of getting suspected will be higher, and I have nothing to comment about that.

Khaini, I forgot to mention earlier that I'm also a Golden Delicious apple.

[EDIT]

This sounds like a farewell, strange.

"Goodbye everybody, I've got to go. Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth."

[Kyrastri]

Oh wow, I knew you're gonna say this over and over again. Me being a mafia? I know quite a few people are getting suspicious of me too, and I'm not going to defend myself, as I said earlier.

Er... I don't think sitting back in resignation is gonna help your case ): It's true you're on the higher end of my suspicion list, but I wanted to hear your reasoning before deciding to act on anything.

Why am I doing this if I'm the mafia? I would have gone with the majority and voted for TheBirds, which I clearly did not do. Yes, you might say that I'm voting a allegedly claimed doctor, but as I said earlier, I don't believe he is one but he is the mafia himself.

If I were mafia, I would be stirring suspicion in the other players since TheBirds already has four votes, and is extremely likely to be lynched at the moment.

I would've killed Khaini in the first few days because iirc (Sorry if I'm wrong), like me, Khaini posted passive stuffs and was not actively contributing to the Town (I may be wrong, and you can blame me for this. But because of the time constraint, I do not have enough time to double-check). His hysterical posts further escalated the suspicions. About "this brings to you now", disregard it, as I was using figurative speech.

The mafia would not be killing someone for near useless flavour posts. y0y0 was the most aggressive player in day 1, and probably seemed the most threatening to the mafia. Passiveness proves that he would be an easy target later on, though he's gotten more active in discussion so he may come off as more threatening to the mafia.

I admit, I can't think on what Khaini was trying to achieve with his more hysterical posts, I was a little off put trying to address them so I pretty much avoided it OTL I honestly believe he was just incredibly pissed off, why the sudden anger really escapes me, but I can get irrationally angry as well, so I can't say I'm pure white when it comes to anger management.

Thanks for the word clarification :)

About Khaini criticizing everyone, I believe he can do so, but to me, his critique does not seem to help the Town in finding the mafia. I think he is just going around in circles, blaming everyone for being incompetent in finding out the mafia, and not going in his way. This does not look very Town-ish to me. With faol's post collecting Khaini's posts where Khaini asked who's the doctor, then suggested what the doctor should do, and then claimed that he himself is a doctor, I am even more sure that Khaini is a potential mafia candidate (Note that I use candidate, not mafia itself, as I may be wrong)

No offense to you as a person whatsoever when I say this, but I personally believe that Khaini was more of use on day 2 than you were. He essentially took hold of the gambit, and whether this is a case of a massive bussing I have yet to see, but right now I want to hold off on trying to lynch him. Killing him now will only leave more people open to the mafia if he is the doctor.

Therefore, right now my vote goes to ChaoticCJ. I can't help but think that the apple theory will lead nowhere, and is trying to distract from scum hunting. By no means do I mean that theory should be discouraged, but you've capitalised on that a little too much without much regard for the other sagas going on.

[Vote] ChaoticCJ

@Holypie; I suggest you check out either Khaini, LuvD or Shidoshi. As I post right now none of them are ample targets for lynching, so naturally I trust that you judge correctly when the lynch results come.

If anyone objects to investigations, please speak up before the day ends. I don't want to jump through hoops because of miscommunication issues again.

God damn it, my head is throbbing. Going to call it a night.

EDIT: Vote Tally

CURRENT VOTES:
Shidoshi (1): Faonkarino
ChaoticCJ(3): Shidoshi, Holypie, Kyrastri
TheBirds(4): Corn, Niernen, xBTAx, TheBirds
KhainiWest(1): LuvDWayULie
Holypie(1): KhainiWest

Yet to vote: @ChaoticCJ;, @Polantaris;, @Olsi;, @CakesXD;

[LuvDWayULie]

Er... I don't think sitting back in resignation is gonna help your case ): It's true you're on the higher end of my suspicion list, but I wanted to hear your reasoning before deciding to act on anything.

If I were mafia, I would be stirring suspicion in the other players since TheBirds already has four votes, and is extremely likely to be lynched at the moment.

The mafia would not be killing someone for near useless flavour posts. y0y0 was the most aggressive player in day 1, and probably seemed the most threatening to the mafia. Passiveness proves that he would be an easy target later on, though he's gotten more active in discussion so he may come off as more threatening to the mafia.

I admit, I can't think on what Khaini was trying to achieve with his more hysterical posts, I was a little off put trying to address them so I pretty much avoided it OTL I honestly believe he was just incredibly pissed off, why the sudden anger really escapes me, but I can get irrationally angry as well, so I can't say I'm pure white when it comes to anger management.

Thanks for the word clarification :)

No offense to you as a person whatsoever when I say this, but I personally believe that Khaini was more of use on day 2 than you were. He essentially took hold of the gambit, and whether this is a case of a massive bussing I have yet to see, but right now I want to hold off on trying to lynch him. Killing him now will only leave more people open to the mafia if he is the doctor.

Therefore, right now my vote goes to ChaoticCJ. I can't help but think that the apple theory will lead nowhere, and is trying to distract from scum hunting. By no means do I mean that theory should be discouraged, but you've capitalised on that a little too much without much regard for the other sagas going on.

[Vote] ChaoticCJ

Holypie; I suggest you check out either Khaini, LuvD or Shidoshi. As I post right now none of them are ample targets for lynching, so naturally I trust that you judge correctly when the lynch results come.

If anyone objects to investigations, please speak up before the day ends. I don't want to jump through hoops because of miscommunication issues again.

God damn it, my head is throbbing. Going to call it a night.

EDIT: Vote Tally

CURRENT VOTES:
Shidoshi (1): Faonkarino
ChaoticCJ(3): Shidoshi, Holypie, Kyrastri
TheBirds(4): Corn, Niernen, xBTAx, TheBirds
KhainiWest(1): LuvDWayULie
Holypie(1): KhainiWest

Yet to vote: ChaoticCJ;, Polantaris;, Olsi;, CakesXD;

I'm sitting back in resignation because other than trying out to find the mafia while being suspected, I can't think of any other strategy to defend myself. My life is not really valuable, so I would not mind if I would die today/tonight/tomorrow.

True, mafias do that. But I believe we still have some time for others to change their vote right? I'm just suggesting/accusing another person so that we could look from a different perspective. I admit my tone may sound scummy, but I'm just being myself.

I believe I have used the wrong term, mafia instead of vigilante. My sincere apologies. I was typing in a hurry that time and I forgot to change the word. As I said earlier, because of this error, people might suspect me even more. I might not sound convincing, but I mean it, really.

No offense taken. Looking back at Day 1 + 2 posts, I was indeed not useful. You're right to judge me based on those days. However, I still believe that Khaini is not the doctor as claimed. If he turns out to be the doctor, then it will be my poor judgement, and I'm sorry for that.

I realized CJ's apple naming theory, and it surely sounds familiar. Someone said about the apple type theory, which was later disproved. I believe namings, while do give a clue, are not really relevant in the game. He will be my next on the suspicious list.

I will think about it again, and if I change my mind, I will let you all know :)

[Shidoshi]

I said my vote on CJ wouldn't make a lot of difference because of the tied vote rule, come on guys, I hope I don't have to explain the rules which are written on the first post yet again.
Yes, I could have voted for any of the other players with one vote on day 1, but CJ was more suspicious for me, no lynch is stupid.

People to investigate today:
Khaini and TheBirds mainly. Me or CJ, whichever survives the Day. LuvD seems very much town for me (yay for associating myself), but yall can be the judge of that.

We can sort out TheBirds' power tomorrow after we investigate him, I'd rather we lynch someone who's actually suspicious for more than inactiveness and sudden appearance.

[Polantaris]

Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to do my in-depth analysis of the remaining posts, however...

I highly oppose a TheBirds lynch right now. I suspect it may be an insta-win for the mafia, or something like that. The fact that everyone jumped on board is disturbing. The only thing he's said is that, "Something awesome will happen," while giving no details at all. That can easily be in the context of for him, as a mafia member. As far as I can tell, I'm the only person who has asked for clarification. We got lucky with pure random trust in Meta...are we really going to play that card again? I don't believe for a single second that this is a good idea.

I do not think that Khaini is Mafia, because of his reactions. It might all be for show but I highly doubt it. A lynch against him has probably a 99% chance to be wasting a lynch in my opinion. If he doesn't want to play anymore, he should get subbed out, especially if he's the Doctor.

I'm going to [Vote]Holypie. No offense, but your roleclaim is weird. You claimed as a cop, but as far as I could tell you never once tried to dispute that neither Kyrastri nor Meta were cops too. It seems odd that you would instantly agree that there are not two, but three potential cops. If I missed something in regards to this please show me.

Posting your results first don't really support anything, either, as even if Kyrastri reported something different, you could play it as one of you being paranoid, insane, etc, especially since they were already brought up. You and Kyrastri also both have something I find interesting: That you both got flavor one day and mysteriously got useful information the next. It's possible that MasPan realized his original information was not sufficient for the role, but we will not know that until after the game, if ever. As a result I can't trust either of you based on that.

Just because xBTAx saw two people watching Olsi yesterday doesn't support both of you being cops, either. It could be very well that someone else is a cop, or has some other action regarding visiting people, and has kept their mouth shut because they have nothing to dispute, which is a smart move. Even if said person is a cop, bringing ANOTHER cop into the equation is a bad move, and likely would get them lynched. I would not reveal myself if I were that person (I'm not).

I would more likely vote for CJ, but he would just vote for TheBirds out of, "self defense", which goes against what I don't want to happen in regards to them, so I have to go with an alternative.

[Shidoshi]

Polantaris, I was the first to ask for clarification on TheBirds' "awesome" thing.
Not voting for CJ because he would then vote for TheBirds makes no sense, if you don't vote for him then it amounts to the same thing anyway, plus he doesn't get to implicate himself with his vote. Which is something I want to say about CJ, his slow responses coupled with his lack of implication in what he says are very scummy, yes he thinks I'm suspicious, why not vote for me? Are you afraid to look suspicious when I flip town? Come on. I really wish I could multi-quote here to strengthen my point.

[Holypie]

Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to do my in-depth analysis of the remaining posts, however...

I highly oppose a TheBirds lynch right now. I suspect it may be an insta-win for the mafia, or something like that. The fact that everyone jumped on board is disturbing. The only thing he's said is that, "Something awesome will happen," while giving no details at all. That can easily be in the context of for him, as a mafia member. As far as I can tell, I'm the only person who has asked for clarification. We got lucky with pure random trust in Meta...are we really going to play that card again? I don't believe for a single second that this is a good idea.

I do not think that Khaini is Mafia, because of his reactions. It might all be for show but I highly doubt it. A lynch against him has probably a 99% chance to be wasting a lynch in my opinion. If he doesn't want to play anymore, he should get subbed out, especially if he's the Doctor.

I'm going to [Vote]Holypie. No offense, but your roleclaim is weird. You claimed as a cop, but as far as I could tell you never once tried to dispute that neither Kyrastri nor Meta were cops too. It seems odd that you would instantly agree that there are not two, but three potential cops. If I missed something in regards to this please show me.

Posting your results first don't really support anything, either, as even if Kyrastri reported something different, you could play it as one of you being paranoid, insane, etc, especially since they were already brought up. You and Kyrastri also both have something I find interesting: That you both got flavor one day and mysteriously got useful information the next. It's possible that MasPan realized his original information was not sufficient for the role, but we will not know that until after the game, if ever. As a result I can't trust either of you based on that.

Just because xBTAx saw two people watching Olsi yesterday doesn't support both of you being cops, either. It could be very well that someone else is a cop, or has some other action regarding visiting people, and has kept their mouth shut because they have nothing to dispute, which is a smart move. Even if said person is a cop, bringing ANOTHER cop into the equation is a bad move, and likely would get them lynched. I would not reveal myself if I were that person (I'm not).

I would more likely vote for CJ, but he would just vote for TheBirds out of, "self defense", which goes against what I don't want to happen in regards to them, so I have to go with an alternative.

Okay first of all if I wasn't a real cop I wouldn't claim cop with two cop claims already out there, because then I get accusations thrown at me like this, and Corn and LuvD and whoever else I'm missing who thinks I'm suspicious. I'm not stupid, that would be a death sentence for no reason. Second, I didn't get flavour the first night, I got nothing. Yoshi was dead before I could investigate him. As for Kyrastri's first night flavour result, it occurs to me that it could have been Meta's doing as the drunk. His role says that he "interferes" with people's abilities, but it doesn't say how it's being interfered with. This is just speculation, for all I know it could just be a normal role block.

And yes, I know that me posting first doesn't mean anything. I've said this before, and no matter what I say it won't be enough to convince any of you who are against me because anything I say can also be said by a mafia member. All I can do is provide what information I get and hope I survive, because if the mafia doesn't kill me it looks like the town will.

As far as not disputing that Kyrastri and Meta were cops if you read back it's because I first thought there might be cops with different sanities (which necessarily requires more than one cop) and later I thought that Kyrastri and I might be flavour cops based on her first night information, and because I didn't have information. At this point she seems innocent and I know that I'm innocent (obviously I'm going to say that but it means nothing to you) and knowing MasPan and the old Southperry games with hilariously unbalanced power roles that were incredibly fun to play, two cops doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

Don't you think that if I were mafia trying to push a cop claim I would have been attacking Kyrastri instead of collaborating with her? Think about it, as a mafia it would be really beneficial to off the real cop with a town lynch. Instead I'm trying to work with her to (now, because the sanity issue is cleared up) spread out investigations to broaden the town's knowledge.

I implore you to vote for CJ though, not to save my own life but to prevent TheBirds from getting lynched. It doesn't even look like I'm the top wagon today anyway so it doesn't even matter, I just don't want TheBirds to activate whatever "awesome power" he has. It's so incredibly sketchy, as you yourself have said. I agree with Shidoshi, you're just wasting a vote here if you're trying to prevent TheBirds from being lynched.

[Niernen]

Removed vote from @TheBirds; for now. The only thing I'm worried about is that their power only activates on day 3, and by waiting to investigate them we won't be able to use it. But you guys are right, we know nothing about him or this power, so it may be safer not to lunch them. Hope @TheBirds; will respond and give us more.

I'm on my mobile at work, sorry for any errors. Don't have the ability to write more at this time, but I am trying to read everyone's posts.

@LuvDWayULie; you need to realize that if you are a Towne and we Lynch you, we waste a Lynch and are down two town members then. Stop being so flippant about weather you getlynched. And you really need to contribute with more logic of you can. Your posts are very illogical still, and you just say you made a mistake in your next post but don't seem to care at all. You say you care about the town, but it really doesn't seem like it

Oh, and there could be Mafia powers that let a member shield themselves or look innocent. Mas had done it before, give a Mafia member a power that makes investigators/watchers see a Mafia as innocent or doing nothing.

[Corn]

I'm just saying that while TheBird's power is PROBABLY mafia-aligned, lynch-revealed powers are always fun to see.

[xBTAx]

I thought I'd be able to catch up on things last night; I didn't get that chance. I've read most of what I missed now but I don't know how much free time I have before the deadline to post more than this. For the time being, I'm just removing my vote from TheBirds. To be frank, if we lynch anyone else, right now I'd like it to be Luv because their posts have contributed very little beyond needlessly confusing conversation when their excuse of being a new player has already run out, and at this point we really need all the clarity we can get. I don't greatly disagree with the CJ lynch, though, so I'm not going to push for Luv over him.

If TheBirds is actually mafia and doesn't have any lynch-based powers... nice job.

[ChaoticCJ]

Um... mind telling us who is who? I know Goodwife is LuvD, Sour was Verrkol and Godmother was Words (and gilly was me ofc c:) but who are the rest?

My Role PM only alludes to investigating "clues" to their "identity". You could infer that I'd be able to find more information if they used/didn't use a night action, so if that's the case;

If Olsi used a night action, ChaoticCJ did not.
If Olsi did not use a night action, ChaoticCJ did, which might allude to mafia-like behaviour (I believe [Kill] would count as a night action for mafia)

If you payed attention you would know that I did use a night action when you investigated me. It would not have been kill because then Meta wouldn't have known Words was mafia. It was impossible for me to kill the first night so I have no idea where you are getting that idea from.

This is why the town is going to lose, people refuse to take the time to just look a few pages back and see who made a mistake and accidentally revealed they were mafia. Here is the list of people:

1. @Corn; - ?? - ?
2. @Niernen; ; - Hardcore Hal - GrannySmith
3. VerrKol - Sour Sheila - GrannySmith
4. @Shidoshi; - Ruby Red - McIntosh Apple
5. @ChaoticCJ; ; - Mealy Mel - Worm
6. @Polantaris; ; - Ricky Rojo - McIntosh
7. @LuvDWayULie; ; - Goldy Goodwife - Golden
8. Words - Godmother Smith - GrannySmith
9. @xBTAx; ; - Caramel Carl - GrannySmith
10. @Kyrastri; ; - Gilded Gilly - Golden
11. @TheBirds; ; - ?? - ?
12. y0y0y0y0shi0 - Crabapple Craig - McIntosh
13. z0mgc00k13 / @faonkarino; - Seedy Stam - Golden
14. Sega - Green Gendry - GrannySmith
15. @KhainiWest; - Shining Sam - Golden
16. @Holypie; - Merry Mac -McIntosh
17. @Olsi; - ?? - Apple (Cop Confirmation)
18. MetaSeraphim - Barney Brewster - Cider
19. @CakesXD; ; - Johnny Red - ??


Doesn't anyone find it suspicious that CakesXD name doesn't match with the rest of us?
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Since I am most likely going to die, I do want to set up the town for a victory.

Kyrastri is mafia and is lying about investigating me and Olsi. The reason I know this is because I am not an apple, I am a Worm. This is the reason I was going with the apple theory.

Under this condition it would also put a spotlight on Shidoshi for mafia being the only McIntosh to side with Kyrsatri.

This also clears Holypie since the town needs 1 detective. Also didn't anyone find it strange that the town have 2 detectives, a watcher, and a role blocker. That is a bit overpowered.

CakesXD is possibly the Cider or 2nd Granny Smith mafia.

The robin that I have been hinting at will probably kill me anyways so it doesn't matter since I will be dead tonight.

I could also be totally wrong about Kyrastri, but she says that I am an apple when I am not is a bit strange.

Anyway since it doesn't really matter and no one will listen to me anyway...I will [vote]CakesXD