[Game Over] Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Olsi]

@KhainiWest; theres a lot of this to read for me and I still have exams to study for but enlighten me, how do we know you arent just lying like Meta was?

[Shidoshi]

KhainiWest; theres a lot of this to read for me and I still have exams to study for but enlighten me, how do we know you arent just lying like Meta was?

Because losing a mafia member today is not worth it for just exposing the doctor. If there's no counter-claim we can trust Khaini (and probably see him dead by Day 4, it's not worth the risk of losing a Night Kill for the mafia by choosing not to kill the doctor when there's already a pretty clear follow the cop set up).

[Holypie]

Removing my vote from Khaini, unless someone comes along to counter claim doctor which I think is unlikely.

This leaves us with TheBirds, LuvDWayULie, ChaoticCJ and CakesXD in my book. Holypie I think should be left for tomorrow to reassert.
For now I'll lead off with:
[b ][Vote] ChaoticCJ[/b]

That is if I survive, which I really doubt with how much Khaini hates me.

And yeah sure [vote] ChaoticCJ

[faonkarino]

Oh, @Olsi; . Oh you.

Khaini was so obvious I laughed when I read his claim.

Khaini's "I AM NOT THE DOCTOR I SWEAR" act

...Begs to question if there is even a doctor in the meta game to begin with :(

The reason why we should kill Meta is because she has done this tactic before. Her explanation is simply "you have a chance" argument, which is an admittance of guilt as far as I'm concerned. A rational suggestion would be simply explaining previous game should not have any influence and it would be stupid of her to play the same card twice.

The problem we face is we don't know who the doctor isso we don't know who to point to and rationalize, and he can't exactly reveal himself without being target. If we have 3 cops, one of them being a false, we could lose two in one turn, since the mafia knows which one is the real one. But based on the rationalization above, I feel we should take that risk, and have whoever the doctor is protect Kyrastra, since her ability has higher priority.

Our priority should be to clarify where words stands based on meta's accusation, because if he's guilty, then we merely have to see the relationships/actions he had with other people. If he's innocent, then meta needs to die anyway.

That was the reaction I was hoping for. Simply reverse words with meta, if words dies, worse case is he's a townie, we'll investigate meta to clarify what type of cop she is. Best case is we have two competent cops, one dead townie, vs two cops and 1 townie.

WHOEVER THE DOCTOR IS DO NOT REVEAL YOUR ROLE. Just protect kyastra

Kill words, save Kyastra is my strategy. But it's all up to the doctor, but I feel we all reached that consensus.

To be honest, at least if the mafia is smart, they'll avoid the whole three hat trick and go for a random rather than risk a lynch entirely, and possibly leave no clues basing it on a random selection.

Itll probably be one of the more quiet ones since no one has claimed the doctor role, or even alluded to it, which means it's most likely one of the lurkers rather than the posters

I guess that means we have an inactive/non-existent doctor :| I have a few theories though based on the results. The sooner we hear from the other PM's the better.

And right after that you just

I don't really find those suitable arguments, more like consideration to throw off someones suspect, plus your vote for words was not at all filled with reason, just "whatever, doesn't matter". It comes off to me that (especially the 4 times he brought you up as a "possible yet not priority" candidate seems too much of a coincidence to me.

Apparently the doctor protected Kyristra, which was what I wanted, but then they both blew it and didn't expand our fog of war. Now we're definitely f`ucked and have to focus on preserving whoever the f`uck the doctor is which is just another shot in the goddamn dark for them that they can do. I'm so annoyed no one listened to me so I'm no longer going to bother putting in any input as they frekin blew it. In fact I find it kind of questionable to begin with that holypie literally disregarded all of my logic just to go with a method to "clarify" something, and waste two townies lives based on that. For that reason I'm voting now because I'm so frekin annoyed with such blatant disregard, in fact, intentional sabotage of the only big turn around we had left.

[Vote]Holypie

Really, it's hilarious.

I wonder why the mafia didn't kill the doctor first though. Or was it obvious only to me?

[Niernen]

Of course, @KhainiWest; could be pretending to be the doctor. If someone else was the doctor, they could have @KhaniniWest claim to be the doctor. The Mafia will then target @KhainiWest, who would then be protected by the real doctor. It would ensure the doctor knew who was going to be targeted and could protect them.

Of course, that seems highly unlikely and almost impossible to pull off.

@faonkarino; Yes, @KhainiWest has been mentioning the doctor a lot. And I had mentioned before, it is very hard to counter claim the doctor, because the real doctor gets killed then. Its a ploy by the mafia often enough, and can protect them for a day or so. Its up to us to decide if we should believe @KhainiWest. I do agree it is very strange, the previous page he asks the doctor to come out, then claims he is the doctor.

And yes, I know he is going to say he kept mentioning the doctor and asking who it was so no one would think he is the doctor. Asking or pretending not to know your role is common enough. I guess if you actually went back and reread all his posts by themselves it would become more obvious, rather than spread out in the discussion.

[Shidoshi]

I hadn't caught all that, Faon. You always amaze me with your reads, other than when you suspect me :D

Today's lynch is still in the air though.

[KhainiWest]

I hadn't caught all that, Faon. You always amaze me with your reads, other than when you suspect me :D

Today's lynch is still in the air though.

I hope you don't really think he suddenly just knew. If he was at all as perceptive as you say he would have seen the very obvious clue I gave to polantaris in the first 2 pages. Frankly there is no strategic reason for me revealing, I just am hoping the mafia kills me, since I can't trust you guys to actually lynch me. Unless there's a suicide option, I'd rather just opt for that.

....So when is the counterclaim going to happen already?

[LuvDWayULie]

I'm back. (I was Mapling and doing some other stuff. It's 2:24am here).

First of all, I, too, believe that the doctor should not reveal him/herself. It's like committing suicide where the mafia can just kill you (Unless you're sure of the mafia of course). This is what Niernen and Polantaris said, which I agree.

Secondly, I think I should put my theory aside for a while, since the situation has changed. I have initially related KhainiWest's erraticness as a sign of frustration towards the game. However, as posts were put onto the thread, and especially faon's, it seems quite clear that Khaini kept asking who's the doctor and suddenly makes a post claiming he is the doctor. I find it strange and odd, as if I were the doctor, I would not ask about who's the doctor (Obviously). Khaini's tone is really worrying me, and I think he could be a potential mafia.

Thirdly, Shidoshi finally speaks up, which is something good, in my opinion. And I sincerely thank you for explaning your reasons why Holypie is a mafia suspect. But since the situation has changed, I would disregard my theory about one of the cops being a mafia member.

Based on everyone's replies, I believe we have a better chance finding for the mafia member.

[Vote] KhainiWest

[EDIT]
And Holypie, no, I'm not out to get you :) I just want to see you and other people's reaction, which is why I'm not pursuing my theory further.

To others, if my post here is unhelpful, I'm sorry. I can't find better words to explain them already, as what I feel is what you all have posted. I'm merely paraphrasing sentences.

[TheBirds]

Day 3 already? Finally. [Vote]TheBirds

[LuvDWayULie]

Day 3 already? Finally. [Vote]TheBirds

Oh my, why? Why are you doing this to yourself?

[EDIT]

And yes, I know that I'm still suspicious. You have every right to judge me based on Day 1's incidents.

Oh, Olsi; . Oh you.

Khaini was so obvious I laughed when I read his claim.

Khaini's "I AM NOT THE DOCTOR I SWEAR" act

And right after that you just

Really, it's hilarious.

I wonder why the mafia didn't kill the doctor first though. Or was it obvious only to me?

It's obvious only to you. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have even seen that. Go you!

[Niernen]

Secondly, I think I should put my theory aside for a while, since the situation has changed. I have initially related KhainiWest's erraticness as a sign of frustration towards the game. However, as posts were put onto the thread, and especially faon's, it seems quite clear that Khaini kept asking who's the doctor and suddenly makes a post claiming he is the doctor. I find it strange and odd, as if I were the doctor, I would not ask about who's the doctor (Obviously). Khaini's tone is really worrying me, and I think he could be a potential mafia.
[Vote] KhainiWest

He is trying to suicide since he is tired of this game and wants to die. Of course, he could have voted for himself, but i guess revealing he is the doctor helps both sides.

@TheBirds; how was day 3 special?

[LuvDWayULie]

He is trying to suicide since he is tired of this game and wants to die. Of course, he could have voted for himself, but i guess revealing he is the doctor helps both sides.

TheBirds; how was day 3 special?

It's possible but I still believe that he has something to hide. That feeling..

[Shidoshi]

Oh look, more nonsense! I can't really see many reasons for self voting:
- Mafia with 1-shot lynch immunity, which would not be a first on SP.
- Town with lynch revenge kill, which doesn't make a lot of sense using like this, if TheBirds knows who is mafia then we might as well lynch them instead.
- Mafia with lynch revenge kill, which wouldn't be a good trade for the mafia either way as it's 1 for 1.
- 3rd party with a win con of being lynched, which I prefer not to believe as it's stupid and not fun to play as.

[faonkarino]

Well, I'm trusting all claims so far, so I wouldn't vote for neither Khaini, nor BTA, nor Chaotic, nor Kyra nor HolyPie, nor Olsi. I certainly won't vote on Corn or TheBirds, Polantaris is townie as far as I can tell, so it leaves you, Cakes, LuvD and Niernen.

...

Goddamnit, this isn't good. There certainly can't be only 3 bad apples left. It leaves me uneasy that we're being tricked by someone.

Anyway, list of suspicion so far is Shidoshi>LuvD>Niernen=Cakes, so yeah, I'm sorry Shidoshi. [Vote] Shidoshi

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to mention Niernen in the above and Cakes down below.

[Shidoshi]

Not that I wasn't expecting votes falling on me from process of elimination. I still think the read on CJ doesn't prove he's innocent, even Kyra was doubtful of it after today's result being more clear.
I wish I was able to make a better analysis of past posts, but it's hard on the phone.

[Niernen]

So, what's going on with Cake? Did he mention anything irl? Or his he just silent? This just became somewhat messier

[LuvDWayULie]

So, what's going on with Cake? Did he mention anything irl? Or his he just silent? This just became somewhat messier

Too many people to suspect, too little votes omg.

At the same time, I'm now confused with my vote for Khaini. Is he really a doctor, or pretending to be one?

[EDIT]
But since he wants to commit suicide, let it be for now.

[CakesXD]

So, what's going on with Cake? Did he mention anything irl? Or his he just silent? This just became somewhat messier

Hi. I posted twice since Day 3 started but they were not of much importance, and for that I apologize.

I have been keeping up (not posting because Chrome on my phone messes up Southperry's reply box half of the time) and most of my suspicions fall into place with what other people have said.

About Khaini, I have no reason to believe that he's lying (until someone else counter-claims, of course) but it seems that he just wants out of the game.

I'm still with what xBTAx said at the beginning of the day since it does seem that he's a Watcher. HolyPie and Kyrastri are innocent as far as I'm concerned (as well as Olsi due to their investigations), leaving us with a couple more people. faonkarino's actions have seemed pro-Town ever since he was subbed in, as well as Polantaris's comments, so I'm going to let my naivety allow me to believe them to be innocent.

This leaves me with ChaoticCJ, Shidoshi, LuvDWayULie, Niernen, Corn and TheBirds to choose from. To paraphrase Polantaris, I don't believe that AFKers are of utmost importance at the moment (like what happened to Sega), so that's one to two more (depending on where @Corn; is in the reading, he seems busy) that aren't important.

From the remaining four, I feel like Luv, while becoming more and more proactive in discussions, still feels a bit scummy. I'm going to hold off for a while, and also wait for Corn to respond (plus there's still 26 hours until the day ends).

[Niernen]

IT does seem both @KhainiWest and @TheBirds want to die. If Khaini is the doctor, there is not point in lynching him, because the mafia would kill him anyways. You guys don't really seem to want to kill an inactive, but Birds is voting for himself, should we just lynch him and get it over with?

[Corn]

FINALLY CAUGHT UP.
A) wtp KHAINIWEST I'M RAGING THAT YOU REVEALED YOURSELF I KNEW IT FROM THE START OF DAY 2 YOU WERE DOCTOR YOU PINEAPPLEING MORON.
B) FOR THE EVENTS LAST NIGHT I believe Verrkol shot MetaSeraphim because he was fairly scummy, but Verrkol also got killed by the Mafia. I’m pretty sure Mafia only have one night kill. I doubt there's a third party, otherwise there would have been two kills on Night 1.
C) 80% sure there is only one Sheriff and 75% sure Holypie is the Mafia. I was going to vote him off now but I can wait a day because
D) vote TheBirds because clearly he wants to be lynched for whatever reason.
E) wtp guys there's literally only one cop there's no reason to have more than one cop on this setup.

MY MOST INNOCENT LIST:
CORN (because I know my role)
OLSI
KHAINIWEST

MY MOST GUILTY LIST IF HOLYPIE IS MAFIA (75% IMO)
HOLYPIE
CHAOTICCJ

MY MOST GUILTY LIST IF KYRASTRI IS MAFIA
KYRASTRI
LUVDWAYULIE