Ask a Warrior Thread.

Plan on upgrading to trixter stuff need to know which emp piece i should swap out.

Overall for trix top/bottom or get the Sword

Class is kaiser

Top and bottom offers twice the potential compared to the overall, and you'll gain 10% ignore def for free.
Weapon comes with a free 30% boss damage outside of the set bonus.

I guess it all comes down to what goals you have and what your current gear gives. If you plan to scroll and pot to the max I think the top and bottom would give you more omph if you have an empress sword done, but the fafnir weapon really is a big improvement over the empress one, even if they have the same attack and pot.

If you can, just get the whole set and use empress and Visitor PQ stuff. Or Tyrant, if you can afford it.

Would anyone happen to know what the base attack is on lapis and lazuli at the level 170 growth? Trying to do some calculations but I can't find information on the two weapons anywhere. Also, I'm assuming it isn't the case (since it'd be broken as pineapple) but you don't gain the attack from both weapons simultaneously, correct?

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Top and bottom offers twice the potential compared to the overall, and you'll gain 10% ignore def for free.
Weapon comes with a free 30% boss damage outside of the set bonus.

I guess it all comes down to what goals you have and what your current gear gives. If you plan to scroll and pot to the max I think the top and bottom would give you more omph if you have an empress sword done, but the fafnir weapon really is a big improvement over the empress one, even if they have the same attack and pot.

If you can, just get the whole set and use empress and Visitor PQ stuff. Or Tyrant, if you can afford it.

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I already got the whole empress set including the shoulder.

My emp sword is 221 att: 35% boss 9% total damage Str 9%

I mainly want to boss. In the past i was able to get top 10 gloves with no problem, but now with this dojo change the gloves are out of my reach again =/ So i need to do some types of upgrades

I don't think you'd get so much out of it unless you get the whole Fafnir shebang.

What I did when I went from Empress to Fafnir was getting the whole Fafnir set, and kept empress for the other slots (glove, shoe, shoulder and cape). That gave me more by far in bonuses than I got from just Empress. I could have gone for Tyrant instead, but since I dislike everything about those I got the Visitor PQ earrings, pendant and belt for the 50 attack set bonus.

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I don't think you'd get so much out of it unless you get the whole Fafnir shebang.

What I did when I went from Empress to Fafnir was getting the whole Fafnir set, and kept empress for the other slots (glove, shoe, shoulder and cape). That gave me more by far in bonuses than I got from just Empress. I could have gone for Tyrant instead, but since I dislike everything about those I got the Visitor PQ earrings, pendant and belt for the 50 attack set bonus.

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Alright thanks for the tips ^_^ appreciate it

I have a question mark for Dragon Knight.

I would like some clarification for the weapons between Spears and Pole-Arm

Between the 150 one, Fafnir Bio and Fafnir Moon Glaive

I read that with Dark Impale, Speed is what it matters. The faster you attack , the more damage you do, since Dark Impale is a DoT skill. Is it true?

Does that still applies on RED patch?

Any skill formula outhere for comparaison?

Thanks.

Dark Impale isn't a DoT skill and yes, you can deal more damage with a faster speed.

delay*(weapon speed+10)/16

that's how fast your attack will be, brionac is normal 6, the polearm is fast5

Roughly what kind of damage range would a Demon Slayer need to be able to train effectively solo at Warrior Grounds?
Trying to gear my DS up a bit to grind to 210, looking to be able to 2-3 hit kill the mixed golems, before Blue Blood if possible since that can't be active 100% of the time.

Also what kind of range/%boss would a DS need to clear Dojo? Doesn't have to be fast, ~30-35 minutes or so would suffice

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Roughly what kind of damage range would a Demon Slayer need to be able to train effectively solo at Warrior Grounds?
Trying to gear my DS up a bit to grind to 210, looking to be able to 2-3 hit kill the mixed golems, before Blue Blood if possible since that can't be active 100% of the time.

Also what kind of range/%boss would a DS need to clear Dojo? Doesn't have to be fast, ~30-35 minutes or so would suffice

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I was hitting 1m impacts with 110k range last time I geared my DS in dojo.
Take that as you will.

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Roughly what kind of damage range would a Demon Slayer need to be able to train effectively solo at Warrior Grounds?
Trying to gear my DS up a bit to grind to 210, looking to be able to 2-3 hit kill the mixed golems, before Blue Blood if possible since that can't be active 100% of the time.

Also what kind of range/%boss would a DS need to clear Dojo? Doesn't have to be fast, ~30-35 minutes or so would suffice

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Mike :f3: My DS had around 120k range and 80%ish boss dmg and still couldn't beat dojo, post unleashed (doing 1.1-1.2m per hit if im not wrong) I used to ran out of time at around 18 minutes at Papulatus..

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Roughly what kind of damage range would a Demon Slayer need to be able to train effectively solo at Warrior Grounds?
Trying to gear my DS up a bit to grind to 210, looking to be able to 2-3 hit kill the mixed golems, before Blue Blood if possible since that can't be active 100% of the time.

Also what kind of range/%boss would a DS need to clear Dojo? Doesn't have to be fast, ~30-35 minutes or so would suffice

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Here's the range and damage I was doing on my DS before I stripped it:

Training Range

http://i.imgur.com/MlLAtil.png

Training Damage

http://i.imgur.com/ILqnK32.png

Dojo Range

http://i.imgur.com/Sfw63fP.png

Dojo Damage/Completion Time

http://i.imgur.com/yn4qrPB.png

I haven't trained it since they nerfed Mixed Golems' HP, but even then, I don't think it would've been possible for me to 2~3 hit with what I was doing, at least, not without Blue Blood. Damage is actually with golems buffed up, but the range screenshot is actually higher than the range in the damage screenshot, since the range screenshot has Echo as well. I have 6% ATT without Echo, so my range with Echo is actually about 3.77% higher than in the training damage screenshot.

Ah, cool, thanks for the help everyone. I'm quite a way off then =P
Would be nice if Nexon would fix boss drops, Tyrant/RA gear would help a lot ._.

I recently started playing maple again, very casually, after a 2 year hiatus. The last time I remember playing was around fall 2011. My current character is a 16x paladin and I would appreciate it if someone could fill me on some stuff that I should be aware of. Such as, where should I be training(Bearwolves was the spot last time I remember, are they still good?), what equips should I be looking to get? and any other information you think is relevant.

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I recently started playing maple again, very casually, after a 2 year hiatus. The last time I remember playing was around fall 2011. My current character is a 16x paladin and I would appreciate it if someone could fill me on some stuff that I should be aware of. Such as, where should I be training(Bearwolves was the spot last time I remember, are they still good?), what equips should I be looking to get? and any other information you think is relevant.

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LHC is not party play anymore so training their is out of the question.

Seeing that you just got back i would be looking for cheap 6% str equips such as belts,earrings,top,bottom,etc Search for the items that are class only items they usually sell for way less than the common ones.

If you have a bit of mesos around (500m) i would suggest investing in empress equips. In windia the armor is pretty high atm selling for 100-120m but pali weapons are pretty cheap (100m or less). In addition warrior capes will be going down in price seeing that empress minions drop them now in evo.

I really dont know much about the new pali changes people like Stero could fill you on all the current buff and changes that will be coming soon.

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LHC is not party play anymore so training their is out of the question.

Seeing that you just got back i would be looking for cheap 6% str equips such as belts,earrings,top,bottom,etc Search for the items that are class only items they usually sell for way less than the common ones.

If you have a bit of mesos around (500m) i would suggest investing in empress equips. In windia the armor is pretty high atm selling for 100-120m but pali weapons are pretty cheap (100m or less). In addition warrior capes will be going down in price seeing that empress minions drop them now in evo.

I really dont know much about the new pali changes people like Stero could fill you on all the current buff and changes that will be coming soon.

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So where should I be looking to train then?

I have a few equips from the last time I played, everything I have has at least 3% str on it and my cape/earrings are both 15% str each. I've seen like 171atk Lionheart battle hammer for around 1b, would that be a decent enough weapon? I'm currently using a 149atk executioner, is there still a difference between BW and swords? it's been awhile and my memory is fuzzy if they every changed it or what they changed it to.


Sorry for the barrage of questions it's just been awhile and I don't remember much about this game haha.

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I recently started playing maple again, very casually, after a 2 year hiatus. The last time I remember playing was around fall 2011. My current character is a 16x paladin and I would appreciate it if someone could fill me on some stuff that I should be aware of. Such as, where should I be training(Bearwolves was the spot last time I remember, are they still good?), what equips should I be looking to get? and any other information you think is relevant.

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bodyguard a/b/c and kill krexel twice a day, it's great experience.

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bodyguard a/b/c and kill krexel twice a day, it's great experience.

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I do bodygaurds already. I'm not too knowledgeable about krexal, any prequests?

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delay*(weapon speed+10)/16

that's how fast your attack will be, brionac is normal 6, the polearm is fast5

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And pineapple rounding.

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And pineapple rounding.

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i would have said it, but the game rounds some skills pretty weirdly, like aran's.

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i would have said it, but the game rounds some skills pretty weirdly, like aran's.

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Which skill was it again?

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Which skill was it again?

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one of their attacking skills that had low delay, mathematically it wouldn't gain speed at certain points, but in-game it seemed to.

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one of their attacking skills that had low delay, mathematically it wouldn't gain speed at certain points, but in-game it seemed to.

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Was it that whole deal with Final Toss?

I thought that was just because of the misunderstanding that delays rounded to the nearest 30 milliseconds instead of up the next 30 milliseconds.

Or was it another skill?

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Was it that whole deal with Final Toss?

I thought that was just because of the misunderstanding that delays rounded to the nearest 30 milliseconds instead of up the next 30 milliseconds.

Or was it another skill?

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even with rounding up it gave weird results iirc.

Some delays are just weird.

Dragon Thrust for Evan casts 100 times in 40 seconds (~400ms, maybe 390).
It should be 360 ms and there isn't even any rounding involved because 480 * 12/16 comes out to exactly 360.

Seeking Equipment Advice

Hello, I am a returning player and my question is whether any equipment/new types of potential/game mechanics have come out since February that I should be going after for my Kaiser. My range is about 55k unbuffed/90k buffed/150k with cooldown buffs and before I've been using the equipment section here as a guide:
http://www.basilmarket.com/show/guide/440#16

If there has been other equipment or stat boosting stuff released since February that is not in that guide, please let me know what it is and whether it's worth going after. I'm between medium and high funding. I have a few bil left from when I quit, but I don't intend to play intensely or spend any NX. I'm mainly asking about stuff like..maybe there's a new equipment category slot and I haven't put anything in it since quitting in January, or maybe there's an NPC that sells something much better than what I had before, etc.

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Some delays are just weird.

Dragon Thrust for Evan casts 100 times in 40 seconds (~400ms, maybe 390).
It should be 360 ms and there isn't even any rounding involved because 480 * 12/16 comes out to exactly 360.

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Hmm. Maybe it's actually something like this, since Dragon Thrust has 10 sub-delays (frames?). Maybe attack speed applies to each frame individually, some of which are negative, and then rounds them up to the nearest multiple of 30 before adding the absolute values of them all together.

Frame	Delay(6)	Abs	Delay(2)	Ceiling	Abs
0	-30	30	-22.5	0	0
1	-30	30	-22.5	0	0
2	-30	30	-22.5	0	0
3	-60	60	-45	-30	30
4	60	60	45	60	60
5	60	60	45	60	60
6	60	60	45	60	60
7	60	60	45	60	60
8	60	60	45	60	60
9	30	30	22.5	30	30
	Sum(6)	480		Sum(2)	390

I don't actually have much confidence that this is actually correct, since just doing 30*Ceiling(Delay * (10+Weapon Speed)/16) seems to work rather well for everything else, and this just happened to work out.

I think the sum for that is still 360 though. 30 + 60 x 5 + 30 = 360.
Also tested speed 4 Dragon Thrust right now and it was between 42 and 43s for 100 casts.

idk either lol

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I think the sum for that is still 360 though. 30 + 60 x 5 + 30 = 360.
Also tested speed 4 Dragon Thrust right now and it was between 42 and 43s for 100 casts.

idk either lol

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Oh right, lol.

How much range do you think a DS with like 120% STR, a 200 att mace and two 7-star tyrant equips would have? I'm thinking about moving all my equips over to get my DS to 210.

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How much range do you think a DS with like 120% STR, a 200 att mace and two 7-star tyrant equips would have? I'm thinking about moving all my equips over to get my DS to 210.

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Can't give you agood estimation unless you list all your link skills as well.

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Can't give you agood estimation unless you list all your link skills as well.

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Oh sorry, all link skills level 2 and 3x 3xSS card decks.

EDIT: And throw in 3 pieces of alien set too :3

what's the best inner ability for a ds? At unique rank

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what's the best inner ability for a ds? At unique rank

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Probably attack. Crit isn't all that useful since you'd mostly be using Demon Impact, though it'd increase damage when using Cerberus. Buff duration might also be nice, for DR, if it affects the dark meta enhance hyper, since it's actually supposed to ignore DR for 20% of the duration of Dark Meta rather than just 20 seconds.

should I level my angelic buster to 120 for my paladin?

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Probably attack. Crit isn't all that useful since you'd mostly be using Demon Impact, though it'd increase damage when using Cerberus. Buff duration might also be nice, for DR, if it affects the dark meta enhance hyper, since it's actually supposed to ignore DR for 20% of the duration of Dark Meta rather than just 20 seconds.

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Isnt that sorta irrelevant in most situations tho? I mean 20% of its duration means 36 sec already. So this would only be useful for chaos pink bean, rest its sorta useless. Not to mention how most dr skills have shorter cooldown than the actual meta duration, so you wont need to recast meta before the dr is actually casted.

I'd much rather go for w.att or the small boost of % boss over buff duration.

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Probably attack. Crit isn't all that useful since you'd mostly be using Demon Impact, though it'd increase damage when using Cerberus. Buff duration might also be nice, for DR, if it affects the dark meta enhance hyper, since it's actually supposed to ignore DR for 20% of the duration of Dark Meta rather than just 20 seconds.

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yeah crit would only be useful for cerberus, i'm already at 50% tho (70% soon, plan on getting SE) and buff duration is pretty useless too since it doesn't affect hypers

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Isnt that sorta irrelevant in most situations tho? I mean 20% of its duration means 36 sec already. So this would only be useful for chaos pink bean, rest its sorta useless. Not to mention how most dr skills have shorter cooldown than the actual meta duration, so you wont need to recast meta before the dr is actually casted.

I'd much rather go for w.att or the small boost of % boss over buff duration.

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What's the w.att and %boss at unique?

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What's the w.att and %boss at unique?

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15 w.att and 5% boss. Note that the w.att is simply just 15 w.att, it will not be multiplied by % w.att at all.

I would rather go with buff duration for IA since it affects the duration that meta ignores DR lol

edit : and also infinite force.. though that isn't much used these days :x

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15 w.att and 5% boss. Note that the w.att is simply just 15 w.att, it will not be multiplied by % w.att at all.

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:f7: now i kno why every ds i know has legendary boss inner

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I would rather go with buff duration for IA since it affects the duration that meta ignores DR lol

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The duration of DR ignore is enough as is, the problem is the CD on recasting, so unless you can get DR ignore boosted enough to cover CD..its..well kinda pointless

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edit : and also infinite force.. though that isn't much used these days :x

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yep, infinite force is useless the moment u get cerberus(unless your fury gets glitched :f7: )

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Some delays are just weird.

Dragon Thrust for Evan casts 100 times in 40 seconds (~400ms, maybe 390).
It should be 360 ms and there isn't even any rounding involved because 480 * 12/16 comes out to exactly 360.

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It's probably toss. Before this update I think I could get off about 5-6 a second. Or something close to that using evo as the timer. Now I need a green pot to do it as fast as I used to but i can still do it a few times and let go of the keys and it'll keep going so it might be the negative. Especially considering you can Final blow>Toss>Beyonder>Toss>Blow without most people being able to even see the tosses.

ALso since I dont see a Zero thread what info do we have about it in terms of multipliers and such?

I'm also curious about whether Zero's weapons are considered 1handed or 2handed, and what the multiplier for them is. Haven't been able to find this information anywhere.

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I'm also curious about whether Zero's weapons are considered 1handed or 2handed, and what the multiplier for them is. Haven't been able to find this information anywhere.

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You can scroll them with any scroll so 1h and 2h works. Also, I don't think people have even worked out the multiplier. If I was comfortable with my math skills I would log on to my Zero and test myself but alas, I am not.

Haven't been on my Pally pretty much since Demon Slayers. What are the best Hypers to take on it?

As far as I know HH is still useless so I went with the Blast hypers & the third Threaten one (Enhance - 20% extra att/def) Of the other 2 Threaten hypers, dunno which you prefer.

What it comes down to is HH does 900%*4 and takes 3 seconds to cast, Charges do ~450%*5 and take under a second. Even if there was no cooldown it's just about half as powerful. The hypers don't compensate.

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As far as I know HH is still useless so I went with the Blast hypers & the third Threaten one (Enhance - 20% extra att/def) Of the other 2 Threaten hypers, dunno which you prefer.

What it comes down to is HH does 900%*4 and takes 3 seconds to cast, Charges do ~450%*5 and take under a second. Even if there was no cooldown it's just about half as powerful. The hypers don't compensate.

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Did exactly the same :f2:

Of the other two I guess it's about which one lets you cast it less, I'm inclined toward more duration 'cause I tend to spam threaten until I see the icon anyway

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As far as I know HH is still useless so I went with the Blast hypers & the third Threaten one (Enhance - 20% extra att/def) Of the other 2 Threaten hypers, dunno which you prefer.

What it comes down to is HH does 900%*4 and takes 3 seconds to cast, Charges do ~450%*5 and take under a second. Even if there was no cooldown it's just about half as powerful. The hypers don't compensate.

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Thats Not true. You havnt been following pallys RED skill updates.

Heaven's Hammer
Description: Slam a large hammer into the ground, dealing fatal damage to multiple enemies. Leaves non-boss monsters with 1 HP.
Info: type = 1, areaAttack = 1, deadlyAttack = 1
Delays: sanctuaryNew - 2760 ms
Range: 400%
1 MP Cost: 31, Damage to Boss: 914%, Number of Hits: 4, Max Enemies Hit: 15, Cooldown Time: 180 sec
32 MP Cost: 62, Damage to Boss: 1348%, Number of Hits: 4, Max Enemies Hit: 15, Cooldown Time: 20 sec

With just cooldown cutter alone its 1348%*4 every 10sec. Add extra hit its 1348%*5 every 10sec
Its great for training at multi tiered party play zone maps because it actualy kills party play zone boss mobs like at Stronghold and Ancient Golems

I picked Blast hyper crit because i thought it would boost my total crit to 100% but sadly it only effected blast alone and not its buff. So if you already have a very high crit rate with blast buff already (with blast buff i have 82%) i would take HH extra hit instead of blast hyper crit and take HH cooldown cutter.

Which warrior would level fastest to 130? Judging from the achievement thread it looks like spearmen are the fastest, but would funding change any of this or make spearmen much superior?

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Thats Not true. You havnt been following pallys RED skill updates.

Heaven's Hammer
Description: Slam a large hammer into the ground, dealing fatal damage to multiple enemies. Leaves non-boss monsters with 1 HP.
Info: type = 1, areaAttack = 1, deadlyAttack = 1
Delays: sanctuaryNew - 2760 ms
Range: 400%
1 MP Cost: 31, Damage to Boss: 914%, Number of Hits: 4, Max Enemies Hit: 15, Cooldown Time: 180 sec
32 MP Cost: 62, Damage to Boss: 1348%, Number of Hits: 4, Max Enemies Hit: 15, Cooldown Time: 20 sec

With just cooldown cutter alone its 1348%*4 every 10sec. Add extra hit its 1348%*5 every 10sec
Its great for training at multi tiered party play zone maps because it actualy kills party play zone boss mobs like at Stronghold and Ancient Golems

I picked Blast hyper crit because i thought it would boost my total crit to 100% but sadly it only effected blast alone and not its buff. So if you already have a very high crit rate with blast buff already (with blast buff i have 82%) i would take HH extra hit instead of blast hyper crit and take HH cooldown cutter.

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I 2nd this opinion, er sorta, heaven hammer is disgustingly good now, I can hit up to 12 mil a line at TP with it, wish I had more points to get 20% power and extra hit, but I most def got the cd rd at the cost of threaten persist. Just up to 48 mil on a mob of 15 every 10 second map attack Ty it's awesome at TP and HoH

Since pally's shield mastery works with rosary now, is it better to be a 2h user+rosary or a 1h user + shield?

2H + rosary

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Can you explain why? Since 1h weapons are usually faster attacking speed and shield's are "secondary weapons" so they can get weapon like potential, right?

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Can you explain why? Since 1h weapons are usually faster attacking speed and shield's are "secondary weapons" so they can get weapon like potential, right?

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Rosaries get weapon potential, too, and 2h weapon multiplier is higher than 1h. The speed difference is supposed to make up for that (1h are generally faster than 2h), but if you have enough attack-speed modifiers you can get to faster(2) and beyond even with a 2h weapon.

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Rosaries get weapon potential, too, and 2h weapon multiplier is higher than 1h. The speed difference is supposed to make up for that (1h are generally faster than 2h), but if you have enough attack-speed modifiers you can get to faster(2) and beyond even with a 2h weapon.

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What multipliers would increase speed? I haven't kept up with maple over the past few years and the only two i'm aware of are your own booster and speed infusion, so it's not like i'm going to have an SI mule around at all times?

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What multipliers would increase speed? I haven't kept up with maple over the past few years and the only two i'm aware of are your own booster and speed infusion, so it's not like i'm going to have an SI mule around at all times?

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You can have "decent SI" potential on a level 120+ glove, you can have attack speed Inner Ability ("potential" on your body, appears on the bottom right of your character stats window), and you can use Green Monster Park Extreme potions (account tradeable only, so you must farm them on a level 70-140 character on your own account).

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You can have "decent SI" potential on a level 120+ glove, you can have attack speed Inner Ability ("potential" on your body, appears on the bottom right of your character stats window), and you can use Green Monster Park Extreme potions (account tradeable only, so you must farm them on a level 70-140 character on your own account).

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but assuming you don't have decent SI or attack speed inner potential would 2h still be better than 1h?

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but assuming you don't have decent SI or attack speed inner potential would 2h still be better than 1h?

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In that case they are more or less the same. You get about 10% more hits per minute with 1h, but each hit is about 10% more damage with 2h. The choice is yours.

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In that case they are more or less the same. You get about 10% more hits per minute with 1h, but each hit is about 10% more damage with 2h. The choice is yours.

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I see. Thanks for letting me know and putting up with my dumb questions =)

A shield can potentially have WA scrolled onto it and chaos-ed, while a Rosary will only have specific stats. At the upper funding limit, that's about 20WA difference, but then again 2H weapons have a slight WA advantage, so that goes down to about 10WA difference (to the advantage of a 1H+shield).

The 2H multiplier is 10% greater than a 1H. With an equal amount of WA, you will ALWAYS do 10% more damage with a 2H than 1H per attack.

With a few notable exceptions such as Stonetooth Sword (which has a base WA of 101 only, whereas a Loveless has a base of 147), most 2H swords are Normal(6), and most 1H swords are Fast(5). With booster they go down to speed stages 4 and 3 respectively. The moment you have DSI or +1IAS from Azwan inner ability, you will hit the speed cap unless you use the Green potion from MPE, so I will still consider those factors.

A Paladin's 3 main attacking skills are: Blast, [F/I/L/H] Charge, and Heaven's Hammer. Their skill delays are 840ms, 810ms and 2760ms respectively. The attack speed formula is as follows:

Actual Delay = Roundtonearest30ms{(10 + speedstage)/16 * basedelay}

So the following table will show you the increase in number of hits per unit time if you upgrade from a 2H sword to a 1H sword, at the various starting speed stages. Stage 4 is with booster only, then -1 for DSI, -1 for IAS inner ability, -1 for MPE Green potion (cap break).

2H speed stage	1H speed stage	Blast	Charges	HH
4	3	8.70%	9.09%	8.00%
3	2	9.52%	10.00%	8.70%
2	1	10.53%	5.26%	9.52%
1	0	5.56%	11.76%	8.62%

In bold are the DPS increases that are close to 10%, in that you need to have 1% more WA (fully buffed and all) or more for a 1H weapon to be equivalent or superior to a 2H. Those in italics require 2% more WA or more, and those in normal text require 4-4.5% more WA.

Here's an example: you have a total of 500WA fully buffed when using a 2H weapon and you don't have any other boosters (no DSI blah blah, no green pot). Your speed stage is 4 with booster only. If you were to switch over to a 1H weapon, you will need (using exact numbers here from calculations) 1.19% more WA for the 1H Blast to match a 2H Blast in DPS i.e. you need 506WA in total. Similarly, you need 0.83% more WA for your Charges (505WA), and 1.82% for Heaven's Hammer (510WA).

I hope you find this helpful, as do everyone else who has the same problem.

Hadriel

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A shield can potentially have WA scrolled onto it and chaos-ed, while a Rosary will only have specific stats. At the upper funding limit, that's about 20WA difference, but then again 2H weapons have a slight WA advantage, so that goes down to about 10WA difference (to the advantage of a 1H+shield).

The 2H multiplier is 10% greater than a 1H. With an equal amount of WA, you will ALWAYS do 10% more damage with a 2H than 1H per attack.

Hadriel

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don't forget that at the upper funding limit, 2handers can also get a few extra attack due to getting to new enhance tiers faster. so the attack difference between a scrolled shield and a rosary is indeed quite small usually.

Actually, I need to add something on.

Before any 30ms-rounding function, the DPS increase increases with each successive speed step increase.

Look at it this way: skill delay function has (10 + x) / 16 in it, so DPS increase simply reduces to (10 + x) / (10 + x') where x' is the new speed stage. So 13/12 --> 12/11 --> 11/10 --> 10/9 as DPS increments are extremely significant (8.3% --> 9.1% --> 10% --> 11.1%).

The 30ms ceiling function screws things up, obviously, but that also implies that for some steps the DPS increase is smaller, and then for some steps the DPS increase to the next is tremendous. It also implies that for skill delays below a base of 16*30 = 480ms (480ms gives a steady increase like that just described because the ceiling function always returns the same number), there may be some steps that offer no DPS increase.

Hadriel

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Originally Posted by hadriel

A shield can potentially have WA scrolled onto it and chaos-ed, while a Rosary will only have specific stats. At the upper funding limit, that's about 20WA difference, but then again 2H weapons have a slight WA advantage, so that goes down to about 10WA difference (to the advantage of a 1H+shield).

The 2H multiplier is 10% greater than a 1H. With an equal amount of WA, you will ALWAYS do 10% more damage with a 2H than 1H per attack.

With a few notable exceptions such as Stonetooth Sword (which has a base WA of 101 only, whereas a Loveless has a base of 147), most 2H swords are Normal(6), and most 1H swords are Fast(5). With booster they go down to speed stages 4 and 3 respectively. The moment you have DSI or +1IAS from Azwan inner ability, you will hit the speed cap unless you use the Green potion from MPE, so I will still consider those factors.

A Paladin's 3 main attacking skills are: Blast, [F/I/L/H] Charge, and Heaven's Hammer. Their skill delays are 840ms, 810ms and 2760ms respectively. The attack speed formula is as follows:

Actual Delay = Roundtonearest30ms{(10 + speedstage)/16 * basedelay}

So the following table will show you the increase in number of hits per unit time if you upgrade from a 2H sword to a 1H sword, at the various starting speed stages. Stage 4 is with booster only, then -1 for DSI, -1 for IAS inner ability, -1 for MPE Green potion (cap break).

2H speed stage	1H speed stage	Blast	Charges	HH
4	3	8.70%	9.09%	8.00%
3	2	9.52%	10.00%	8.70%
2	1	10.53%	5.26%	9.52%
1	0	5.56%	11.76%	8.62%

In bold are the DPS increases that are close to 10%, in that you need to have 1% more WA (fully buffed and all) or more for a 1H weapon to be equivalent or superior to a 2H. Those in italics require 2% more WA or more, and those in normal text require 4-4.5% more WA.

Here's an example: you have a total of 500WA fully buffed when using a 2H weapon and you don't have any other boosters (no DSI blah blah, no green pot). Your speed stage is 4 with booster only. If you were to switch over to a 1H weapon, you will need (using exact numbers here from calculations) 1.19% more WA for the 1H Blast to match a 2H Blast in DPS i.e. you need 506WA in total. Similarly, you need 0.83% more WA for your Charges (505WA), and 1.82% for Heaven's Hammer (510WA).

I hope you find this helpful, as do everyone else who has the same problem.

Hadriel

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So basically as long as you have ~5% more attack 1h than 2h your DPS will still be higher with blast? Seems somewhat reasonable but then again that leaves me needing about a 30watk shield if I were to get an equal watk 2h sword =/

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Originally Posted by fakeNoob

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So basically as long as you have ~5% more attack 1h than 2h your DPS will still be higher with blast? Seems somewhat reasonable but then again that leaves me needing about a 30watk shield if I were to get an equal watk 2h sword =/

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That is approximately true but very difficult to attain. That is akin to PChaosing a WA shield up till +9, with each chaos giving at least +4. It is an extremely costly method in terms of using Return Scrolls.

Hadriel

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That is approximately true but very difficult to attain. That is akin to PChaosing a WA shield up till +9, with each chaos giving at least +4. It is an extremely costly method in terms of using Return Scrolls.

Hadriel

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And even that 30 attack shield won't be enough once you get your overall attack over 600 - as you are sure to, given the way the power creep in this game is going.

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And even that 30 attack shield won't be enough once you get your overall attack over 600 - as you are sure to, given the way the power creep in this game is going.

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Sadly that is true but I think i'm just going to use a 1h sword simply because I love how it looks compared to 2h and I already have a decent 1h so it saves money buying a new sword for now.

This might not be a good question but someone please evaluate these two potentials: Assuming Zero only has Lapis & Lapuzi pot'ed, no link skill, character card, between (20% str + 14% total damage + 14% att) and (20% att + 16% crit rate + 30% ignore def) (I doubled their value since they are identical), which potential is better?
Thanks in advance :D

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This might not be a good question but someone please evaluate these two potentials: Assuming Zero only has Lapis & Lapuzi pot'ed, no link skill, character card, between (20% str + 14% total damage + 14% att) and (20% att + 16% crit rate + 30% ignore def) (I doubled their value since they are identical), which potential is better?
Thanks in advance :D

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Do you have values for current str, att, crt and ignore? Beta would probably benefit from the crit and ignore (alpha has higher). I would guess the second would be better, but someone might want to do the math to make sure.

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Do you have values for current str, att, crt and ignore? Beta would probably benefit from the crit and ignore (alpha has higher). I would guess the second would be better, but someone might want to do the math to make sure.

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My current stats, excluded potential from weapons:

	Alpha	Beta
Str	1318	1318
ATT	371	429
Crit	60%	20%
Ignore	82%	32%

Using the second pot, Alpha will have 100% crit rate if his buff stacked 8 times, Beta will have more crit rate too. I'm wondering if more crit rate and ignore defense can made up for the loss of %str and total damage of the previous pot.

(Kaiser)
Since I had legendary ability before the change to the system I'm considering using those NX circs in hopes of rolling something like +1 attack speed or whatever the % crit line is (if anyone knows the value it would help out a ton). I have 65% crit without dSE which I plan to get later down the line. I also have a Zero Gratias ring that I might equip over a non gollux 3rd tier ring available for use too, which would boost my crit rate to 72%

I hope there are still people lurking around in this section :f6:


This is demon slayer's question. How do they actually calculate metamorphosis ignore duration?

Default meta duration: 180sec
Meta ignore duration: 20% * 180 sec = 36sec

I have 19% buff duration inner ability right now
Supposed meta ignore duration: 119% * 36sec = 42sec

Correct?

I tested the ignore duration in game and I got 50 sec. Did it another time and it still gave me 50 sec. I have no mechanic card for even longer buff duration.

Nothing to complain, but is there something I'm missing here? :f6:

Check your traits. Is your empathy of a decent level? That could potentially make a difference, and there's also server lag that tends to add onto the duration of buffs and such as well.

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I hope there are still people lurking around in this section :f6:


This is demon slayer's question. How do they actually calculate metamorphosis ignore duration?

Default meta duration: 180sec
Meta ignore duration: 20% * 180 sec = 36sec

I have 19% buff duration inner ability right now
Supposed meta ignore duration: 119% * 36sec = 42sec

Correct?

I tested the ignore duration in game and I got 50 sec. Did it another time and it still gave me 50 sec. I have no mechanic card for even longer buff duration.

Nothing to complain, but is there something I'm missing here? :f6:

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Original 180 sec, so 20% of 180 is = 36 sec, that's right.
19% + 180 = 214.2, 20% of that is 42 sec indeed, your math are all correct
The reason why you're getting 8 second is probably server latency problem, I sometimes ignore 55 sec, sometimes 60 sec depending on server stability.

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Check your traits. Is your empathy of a decent level? That could potentially make a difference, and there's also server lag that tends to add onto the duration of buffs and such as well.

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Does empathy give anything other than MaxMP and quest exp bonus?

I'm from msea. Our patch lags far behind you guys. We haven't even had RED. Is there any extra thing added to traits? Which patch? :f6:

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Does empathy give anything other than MaxMP and quest exp bonus?

I'm from msea. Our patch lags far behind you guys. We haven't even had RED. Is there any extra thing added to traits? Which patch? :f6:

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Oh, I didn't realize what server you played in. Empathy after RED (I think?) gives buff duration %.

@Justin
I see. What's the % like?


@NotMyGear
Thank you. Is yours a total of 19% buff duration too?

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@Justin
I see. What's the % like?

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10% at level 100 Empathy, so 1% per 10 levels.

My main character is a Dawn Warrior so should I use 1-H or 2-H swords?

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Originally Posted by OrangeMushroom

You & I: The Seed: Kaiser

Attack Mode 1st Enhancement: attack boost has been increased from 5 to 10, boss damage has been increased from 2% to 5%
Attack Mode 2nd Enhancement: attack boost has been increased from 10 to 15, boss damage has been increased from 2% to 5%
Attack Mode 3rd Enhancement: attack boost has been increased from 10 to 15, boss damage has been increased from 3% to 5%
Final Transfiguration Final Figuration: damage boost has been increased from 15% to 20% (4th job mode has been increased from 30% to 50%)
Morph Gauge required for Final Figuration 2 and 3 has been decreased
Gigaslasher Gigaslasher: damage has been increased from 220% to 330%, Final Figuration mode’s damage has been increased from 220% to 280%
Final Trans: damage boost has been increased from 30% to 50%
http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/...ou-i-the-seed/

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according to this update, UGW (untransformed gigas wave) is much stronger than final transform, but transformed damage increased as well.
rough-dirty estimate;
UGW increase 50%
TGW increase ~30% and final form increase 20% = ~50%

Question:the attack speed difference means that untransformed dps/dpm is still stronger (larger) than transformed?
i hate that transforming is mostly useless. right now i only use it for teleporting while attacking, and atk through damage reflect
@JoeTang; when can we expect tables to reflect future updates?

:f3: sometimes i feel like the only one still standing behind kaiser and everyone else jumped to stronger warriors

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Originally Posted by kayeyearekay

according to this update, UGW (untransformed gigas wave) is much stronger than final transform, but transformed damage increased as well.
rough-dirty estimate;
UGW increase 50%
TGW increase ~30% and final form increase 20% = ~50%

Question:the attack speed difference means that untransformed dps/dpm is still stronger (larger) than transformed?
i hate that transforming is mostly useless. right now i only use it for teleporting while attacking, and atk through damage reflect
JoeTang; when can we expect tables to reflect future updates?

:f3: sometimes i feel like the only one still standing behind kaiser and everyone else jumped to stronger warriors

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I-I'm still here with you!

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Originally Posted by kayeyearekay

according to this update, UGW (untransformed gigas wave) is much stronger than final transform, but transformed damage increased as well.
rough-dirty estimate;
UGW increase 50%
TGW increase ~30% and final form increase 20% = ~50%

Question:the attack speed difference means that untransformed dps/dpm is still stronger (larger) than transformed?
i hate that transforming is mostly useless. right now i only use it for teleporting while attacking, and atk through damage reflect
JoeTang; when can we expect tables to reflect future updates?

:f3: sometimes i feel like the only one still standing behind kaiser and everyone else jumped to stronger warriors

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I updated the Warrior tables for the newest information. I think I put Aran's RED for GMS in there when you guys don't have that yet.

The Giga Slasher damages are switched. The untransformed does 280%x9, the transformed one does 330%x11.

I'm afraid I don't know what they changed with the Morph Gauge. Someone will have to test that themselves. The charge for attacks was unchanged though.

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I updated the Warrior tables for the newest information. I think I put Aran's RED for GMS in there when you guys don't have that yet.

The Giga Slasher damages are switched. The untransformed does 280%x9, the transformed one does 330%x11.

I'm afraid I don't know what they changed with the Morph Gauge. Someone will have to test that themselves. The charge for attacks was unchanged though.

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oh wait.... +_+ transform will be better? finally. i think the morph gauge refers to how many attacks needed to fill. the last gauge takes quite a bit longer than the others.

Does "newest information" mean GMS RED? as the title suggests? or up to KMS current released & active patch?

Made it to level 100 after so many years and now I'm having trouble becoming a Dark Knight.

What's a good way for a Berserker to fight Griffey/Manon? I haven't tried Manon yet, but I've heard Griffey is the hardest, so that Manon wouldn't be too much trouble if I can beat Griffey.

I heard that I should be using War Leap away from Griffey when it is about to use one of their skills. (Generally the 1/1 skill?)
However, my attacks are really slow (I haven't used Booster, so...), and I'm pretty chaotic/messy when it comes to moving around, plus I get a bit laggy.

Another thing I should probably note is that I'm a high dex (89) warrior that became inactive during the time of "All AP reset scrolls" or w/e it's called. Managed to use one reset scroll that was given to me though, thus the odd dex number.

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Made it to level 100 after so many years and now I'm having trouble becoming a Dark Knight.

What's a good way for a Berserker to fight Griffey/Manon? I haven't tried Manon yet, but I've heard Griffey is the hardest, so that Manon wouldn't be too much trouble if I can beat Griffey.

I heard that I should be using War Leap away from Griffey when it is about to use one of their skills. (Generally the 1/1 skill?)
However, my attacks are really slow (I haven't used Booster, so...), and I'm pretty chaotic/messy when it comes to moving around, plus I get a bit laggy.

Another thing I should probably note is that I'm a high dex (89) warrior that became inactive during the time of "All AP reset scrolls" or w/e it's called. Managed to use one reset scroll that was given to me though, thus the odd dex number.

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Is it even possible to make a Berserker with no points in Booster? They have that many excess skills?

I don't have a DrK but, in general, warrior strategy against those kinds of bosses is to Rush them to the edge of the map, stand on top of them ("hug" them) so you take touch damage instead of magical attacks (including 1/1, dispell, etc), and be ready to use a potion (Elixir, Power Elixir, or Ginger Ale (buy from the potion seller in NLC). Don't bother with anything that doesn't heal at least half your HP in one gulp) if you do get hit by 1/1.

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Is it even possible to make a Berserker with no points in Booster? They have that many excess skills?

I don't have a DrK but, in general, warrior strategy against those kinds of bosses is to Rush them to the edge of the map, stand on top of them ("hug" them) so you take touch damage instead of magical attacks (including 1/1, dispell, etc), and be ready to use a potion (Elixir, Power Elixir, or Ginger Ale (buy from the potion seller in NLC). Don't bother with anything that doesn't heal at least half your HP in one gulp) if you do get hit by 1/1.

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I've maxed Booster already, just that I never had any reason to use it before, lol. I remembered about it shortly ago and tried using it on the boss fight, but I ended up spamming the world map instead of my 'A' button attack, which in turn lagged me to my death. Did some reorganizing on my key settings now...

Touch damage does prevent 1/1? Sweet, thanks!

My HP potions are wastes of space from quests, so I'm going to buy better ones once I run out.

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I've maxed Booster already, just that I never had any reason to use it before, lol. I remembered about it shortly ago and tried using it on the boss fight, but I ended up spamming the world map instead of my 'A' button attack, which in turn lagged me to my death. Did some reorganizing on my key settings now...

Touch damage does prevent 1/1? Sweet, thanks!

My HP potions are wastes of space from quests, so I'm going to buy better ones once I run out.

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if you deal enough damage, lamancha on a corner should keep the boss pinned too. add that to standing on top of it and you should be golden

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if you deal enough damage, lamancha on a corner should keep the boss pinned too. add that to standing on top of it and you should be golden

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I always thought by not holding that skill, would lead to stronger attacks (though reading the percentage says otherwise?) from my experience in MCE. I Tried holding La Mancha in the corner against Griff and it worked! Only got the 1/1 thing once by mistake, but I survived and killed it. :shine:

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I always thought by not holding that skill, would lead to stronger attacks (though reading the percentage says otherwise?) from my experience in MCE. I Tried holding La Mancha in the corner against Griff and it worked! Only got the 1/1 thing once by mistake, but I survived and killed it. :shine:

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spamming the throw is better damage, but spinning it is good for knockback.

congratulations on 4th job, now you'll never ever EVER use lamancha again, except for "fun" and maybe hitting behind you once in a new moon.

edit: gratz on DrK, any questions on functionality and stuff just tag me up to get my attention faster, it's literally all the enjoyment i get from this game nowadays

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

spamming the throw is better damage, but spinning it is good for knockback.

congratulations on 4th job, now you'll never ever EVER use lamancha again, except for "fun" and maybe hitting behind you once in a new moon.

edit: gratz on DrK, any questions on functionality and stuff just tag me up to get my attention faster, it's literally all the enjoyment i get from this game nowadays

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Ah that's nice to know, better late than never lolol. Though I will probably still use that skill from time to time. I think my Dark Impale is weaker at the moment. Thanks! I'm not sure how to tag people unless it's just by saying their name like ShinkuDragon, though this is going to notify you anyway because of the quote, I'd assume haha.

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Ah that's nice to know, better late than never lolol. Though I will probably still use that skill from time to time. I think my Dark Impale is weaker at the moment. Thanks! I'm not sure how to tag people unless it's just by saying their name like ShinkuDragon, though this is going to notify you anyway because of the quote, I'd assume haha.

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doesn't take long for DI to out-do it, as for quotting:

write an @
then the name of the person
and finish with a ;

@Dragon;

and you're done.

jump-throwing lamancha looks pretty cool, but that's pretty much all i use it for, soul driver is better range in both directions so i just use that.

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doesn't take long for DI to out-do it

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By which he means level 1 Dark Impale.

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By which he means level 1 Dark Impale.

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I only went by the percentages. :goggle:

I mobbed on a few Shrooms earlier, and... So many numbers....

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I only went by the percentages. :goggle:

I mobbed on a few Shrooms earlier, and... So many numbers....

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Yes, you need to multiply the percentages by the number of hits, to know which skill does more damage.

I'm an unfunded kaiser with chitty equips.
If I want to be godly what equipment should I be aiming for?
I will also have access to 4bil soon from a quitting friend. What should I do with dem mesos?

When is an okay level to fight, mainly solo :f3:, Pianus? I ran into a quest where I have to get something from that fish. I was able to find Pianus after a few channel switches, tried fighting it a couple of times, and I barely do anything to it. :f4:

Seems like something I'd need a party for, but I'm usually not a party person, nor are there people I can party with. There's probably my guild leader, but eh.

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When is an okay level to fight, mainly solo :f3:, Pianus? I ran into a quest where I have to get something from that fish. I was able to find Pianus after a few channel switches, tried fighting it a couple of times, and I barely do anything to it. :f4:

Seems like something I'd need a party for, but I'm usually not a party person, nor are there people I can party with. There's probably my guild leader, but eh.

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Pianus has a "weapon cancel" buff, during which you can only hit 1's on it no matter how strong you are.
Check your progress on it when the buff is off. You shouldn't have too much trouble even at 100.

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Pianus has a "weapon cancel" buff, during which you can only hit 1's on it no matter how strong you are.
Check your progress on it when the buff is off. You shouldn't have too much trouble even at 100.

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I'll try again eventually. Wondering if I can check without lagging, my attack loves to lag me as soon as I start using the skill.

Also, I have around 468 str and 89 dex without additions, 569 str and 170 dex with(level 107 now). Or should being level 100 alone not have have any problems?

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I'll try again eventually. Wondering if I can check without lagging, my attack loves to lag me as soon as I start using the skill.

Also, I have around 468 str and 89 dex without additions, 569 str and 170 dex with(level 107 now). Or should being level 100 alone not have have any problems?

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Accuracy is solely determined by level now, I'm afraid every point in dex is wasted.
Either way, you should be fine at level 100.

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Accuracy is solely determined by level now, I'm afraid every point in dex is wasted.
Either way, you should be fine at level 100.

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Yeah, I know, :f4: and alright.
Wondering if there's ever a time I could get an all AP reset scroll (or whatever it's called), As I was inactive when they changed the system and gave those out. I'd rather not start a new character, I seem to do fine as is, minus the lag and whatnot, lol.

I have another question, about Mastery Books. Do they drop from any or specific (or neither?) monsters? Saw that you could buy them from from an NPC, but those are quite expensive... Everything seems more expensive than they used to be since then last time I played... Mastery Books 20 and 30 increase the SP limit to 20/30, right? Can I use one that is 30 before using a 20? I tried following a few SP guides an they expect me to have all 30 spots for every skill available, iirc. So I have like 7 or 8 SP just hanging atm lol.