Looking in the quest data I didn't see any quests that give SP for Dual Blade.
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Looking in the quest data I didn't see any quests that give SP for Dual Blade.
This makes me sad for all the things Shadowers could have been.
I already pictured in my mind that they'd Upper stab→Flying Assaulter→turn around→Chains of hell as a combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirov
What i want to know is if chains of hell can be used on immobile monsters.
I'm trying to figure out what this class would use on immobile bosses.
Wut? First job is easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTang
1 Double Stab
3 Disorder
10 Dark Sight
17 Nimble Body
No, it can't be used on immobile bosses. It says so in the description. I just forgot to write it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
I wish they would have made this slightly different. If it's used on a mobile monster, the monster is pulled toward you. If it's used on an immobile monster, you are pulled to it. This would certainly make for interesting jump quests. :heart:
You need 10 double stab for triple stab though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaidaTan
Curious...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiel
Visually and what looks like combat superior to a Shadower, has an ultimate like an Arch Mage's yet also has single target skills and party skills, hey I guess this is what I get for getting a Shadower and Arch Mage to 14x.
Movement skills can't be used in Jump Quests though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiel
Skill delays pls.
As you wish:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTang
Dual Blade Skill Delays
Ok, I've seen an Insoya video, and seems that dual blades have 2 damage ranges, one for daggers and one for blades. This is cause at the video, it's clearly shown that always 1 hit is weaker than the other 2, and it's always the middle one (The 2nd job 3hits skill, forgot name). So I guess hits done with dagger are stronger, cause daggers have higher attack.
Also, at the savageblow like skill, 3hits do the dagger damage, and the other 3 do weaker blade damage. (6 hits cause it's only level 1, I think). Therefore, they are still broken, but not as broken as it seemed at first.
How hard is it to sacrifice some skills. Assuming you get 1 SP per advance...
1st Job
Lv10 > 1 Double Stab
Lv11 > 4 Double Stab
Lv12 > 7 Double Stab
Lv13 > 10 Double Stab
Lv14 > 3 Disorder
Lv15 > 3 Dark Sight
Lv16 > 6 Dark Sight
Lv17 > 9 Dark Sight
Lv18 > 12 Dark Sight
Lv19 > 15 Dark Sight
Lv20 > 18 Dark Sight
2nd Job
Lv20 > 1 Triple Stab
Lv21 > 3 Mastery
Lv22 > 5 Mastery/1 Booster
Lv23 > 4 Booster
Lv24 > 5 Booster/3 Triple Stab
Lv25 > 6 Triple Stab
Lv26 > 9 Triple Stab
Lv27 > 10 Triple Stab/ 7 Mastery
Lv28 > 10 Mastery
Lv29 > 13 Mastery
Lv30 > 16 Mastery
2.5 Job
Lv30 > Slash Storm 1
Lv31 > Slash Storm 4
Lv32 > Slash Storm 7
Lv33 > Slash Storm 10
Lv34 > Slash Storm 11/Fatal Blow 2
Lv35 > Fatal Blow 5
Lv36 > Fatal Blow 8
Lv37 > Fatal Blow 11
Lv38 > Fatal Blow 14
Lv39 > Fatal Blow 17
Lv40 > Fatal Blow 20
Lv41 > Mastery 19
Lv42 > Dark Sight 20/Booster 6
Lv43 > Booster 9
Lv44 > Booster 10/Self Haste 2
Lv45 > Self Haste 5
Lv46 > Self Haste 8
Lv47 > Self Haste 11
Lv48 > Self Haste 14
Lv49 > Self Haste 17
Lv50 > Self Haste 20
Lv51 > Slash Storm 14
Lv52 > Slash Storm 17
Lv53 > Slash Storm 20
Lv54 > Booster 13
Lv55 > Booster 16
Okay?
Endure sucks.
Thread sucks.
You don't really even have to get 10 triple stab. You can get 19 mastery and good level booster if you just leave it at level 1.
Disclaimer: This chart does not account for any delays between quick skill succession. At best, this char displays the maximum ~Normal (6) speed of all skills. For example, if Skill X has 600ms of delay, this at the least usually represents the amount of time before you are able to move after using the attack. At best, it represents the time before you can reuse the attack.
Spoiler
Double checking numbers...
Wow, 2700 delay on sudden raid. x_x
At least better than air strike, and it won't have server latency issues.
:goggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baklava
I would never follow that build, though. That's horrible.
sooo what do they use on immobile bosses? triple stab?
How does it suck?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiKage
It's virtually "cookie cutter" until 3rd job, and by 3rd I'm shifting even use between 1v1 and mob attacks.
Lv55 is easily achievable in 1 week.
Thread sucks.
Ok, seems like their HP isn't a problem after all.
(Just in case image doesn't show, it's a lvl 45 dual blader with 2,8k hp, without HB)
Edit: Thanks Justin, I was going to upload it to imageshack, but then my firefox frozed and closed.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2aj7vb9.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Rigumaro
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Originally Posted by Takebacker
2700ms animation time, not delay, unless you just confused your wording.Quote:
Disclaimer: This chart does not account for any delays between quick skill succession
i'm pretty sure he wasnt saying that as a real build.. only showing an example of how you sacrifice endure seeing as it is useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiKage
What. 2,800 HP. That's like... a warrior.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiKage
Well, he has only 300 mp... Maybe he HP washed? I don't know if AP resets are free in KMST or not, but seeing that he has no NX clothes, I wouldn't say he did hp washing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
Which means that their HP growth per level is at or just slightly below that of an arans.
Meaning...washing will be extremely easy on this class.
Oops. Be cool if that skill didn't have a delay though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotshot
i dont think they will need much washing if any.. they have stack which people are saying is like a puppet/mg type thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
If it didn't have a delay, what would be the point of playing a different class?Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
Thread sucks.
It obviously does have a delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baklava
Quick Table of main DPS / AoE skills (no criticals though):
Attack Time (ms) Dmg/Att DPPS Triple Stab 870 600 690% Fatal Blow 1402 1000 713% Chains of Hell 2400 3000 1250% --- --- --- --- Flying Assaulter (8x) 1380 800 580% (4640%) Final Cut (8x) 2160 1500 694% (5552%) Sudden Raid (15x) 2700 600 222% (3330%) (Full Screen)
fatalBlow.0.delay -142
lolwut.
Slash Storm appears to have some delay to it to prevent it from being spammed, though Fatal Blow may suffer from this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baklava
Maxed Slash Storm: 115% x "2"
Maxed Fatal Blow: 125% x "8"
With the Dual Wield mechanic, this is 115% Dagger Range + 115% Blade Range vs 500% Dagger Range + 500% Blade Range
Speed for the two is roughly 1582ms for Fatal Blow and for Slash Storm, there's a separate 660ms and 1140ms component and I can't discern what both are used for, though Bloody Storm only has an 1140 component. Bloody Storm could just be using the 660ms component to combine with it, though it appears the animation sequence is a 420ms buffer with 540ms of slashing.
However, it either appears that they both have hidden delays that require a Triple Stab in between each or are so weak at level 1 that it isn't beneficial to spam them.
Assumed Base DPS
Maxed Triple Stab: 459.8%/s Dagger + 229.9%/s Blade
1 Fatal Blow: 155.5%/s Dagger + 103.7%/s Blade
Maxed Fatal Blow: 316.1%/s Dagger + 316.1%/s Blade
1 Slash Storm (1140ms): 54.4% Dagger + 54.4% Blade
Maxed Slash Storm (1140ms): 100.9% Dagger + 100.9% Blade
Draw whatever conclusions you may, this is merely theoretical. However, I would like to point out Triple Stab's significantly higher Dagger DPS compared to the difference in Blade DPS with Fatal Blow. Take that into consideration when attacking.
I can see it now:
Original designer: Hee guys lets make so many skills for the new job that they need to choose a path depending on their liking :D?
Nexon: NICE! And then we make a cs item giving them 1 sp for 10 k nx per use! :D. They're in the cs already cause they gotta pay mastery books so why not?
It's not pay-to-play. The regular mastery books still exist. However, instead of taking a risk with regular mastery books, you can buy them from the cash shop which give them to you at 100% rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolicShooter
What about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiel
When a Dual Blade uses a regular attack, does it hit twice, or alternate between weapons randomly? Can they Double Stab? Does that do 150% Dagger + 150% Blade?
He is definitely HP washed. The video posted earlier of the level 30 Dual Blade had 1161 HP and 710 MP (I saw the clearer version on Insoya).Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiKage
do you know the exact price of these books in cash shop yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiel
They're currently free in the cash shop. Then again, this is Tespia. I expect them to have a price once it moves to KMS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
ahhh ok hmm well if it is anything lower than 10k nx you can expect these skill books to be relatively cheap when it comes to in-game (meso) sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiel
I'm quite curious about that "thorns" skill. With the criticals and that.
Could it be that the monsters on the affected area have a bigger chance to receive criticals? Or maybe characters inside that radius?
I would also like to state for economic purpose...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiel
KMS has that additional shop permit that allows you to sell Cash Shop items along with regular items. So I don't expect the price to get shafted completely. KMS does have wierd pricings though (Chaos Scrolls 20-30m in Culverin). So what some people might do for money, is just buy those, and sell them in the Free Market.
Also, they may be limited time only!
No. It's a buff, the area is the range of the buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloy
Thread sucks.
wut?Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMX
Last I checked (a bit after Aran), there's a new trade option to trade NX items. You can just drag CS items into any old shop. Or did I miss something?
>=(
That better not be an SE... From the looks of it, they'll have more HP than archers anyway, so MM could become obsolete and BM could become attack mules... their massive weapon attack + massive %-damage = HOLY wtp
Nope, you can either use the Cash Trading system (just like normal trade except you have to enter your KSSN), or put it in any shop (also need to enter your KSSN).Quote:
Originally Posted by GameMX
Oh! ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighOnMushrooms
Thanks for the correction then D:
Dear god, it's like every class in one, and way better. Just slap some INT gear on it and they'll be invincible.
Man, Dual Blade is so powerful, especially with Sudden Raid. If this class gets to use daggers as well, their prices will rise up.
From what I've gathered, you'd need more than some.
Using google translate on that skill Stack effect. "Mirror imaging to separate summoned by his alter-ego to make a pile. Stack attack the enemy by focusing on my role is to protect against enemy attack. Skills can be used only during imaging using a mirror." It looks like you sever ties with your shadow partner/mirror image, for what benefit I am unsure of. It could be some damage boosting.
Jeebus! Their MP seems to be tied to warriors, so SUUPA EASY HP WASHING! :ohno:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiKage
I've heard you have to buy the skill books for this class from the CS...is this true?
Also, the % on the skills is high because the dual blade type weapons add very low amounts of weapon attack compared to other weapons.
You don't HAVE to; they're just available in the CS with a 100% success rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright
And they have very low amounts of watk because they use regular Daggers in conjunction with the Blades.
Oh. So ignoring the CS, they work just like any other class. No objections there, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by imjon
And are you serious? Good lord. Now these things sound VASTLY overpowered.
? Decently scrolled 120 attack reverse dagger + 55ish base attack on the 120 reverse blade = around the same attack as a 1h user + attack shield. And that's without scrolling the blade.Quote:
Originally Posted by imjon
A Blade is not a Shield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
I never said it was. I was comparing total weapon attack from dual bladers to 1h users, becuause 1h users have the highest base w.att in the game. (until now)Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTang
You don't add the Blade's weapon attack to the Dagger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
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Originally Posted by JoeTang
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Total weapon attack
Might as well add all the weapon attack in your inventory too. It makes all the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
that isnt his point.. his point is total weapon attack based on the weaponry the class specializes in. All other classes can use pacs, gloves, shoes so there would be no point in adding those.. picture stripped chars with only primary weaponry.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTang
He's saying that you don't add them together because the Dagger and the Blade are both used for different damage ranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
Nexon loves making damage calculations complicated, don't they. I wonder if anyone at Nexon knows enough math to at least approximate the DPS output of their class designs....Quote:
Originally Posted by KaidaTan
Hey guys, looking at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UpL...layer_embedded
It appears at 0:16 that after he uses Final Cut, a buff of that skill appears in the upper right corner. Maybe that isolates the final variable: at a weird successrate, your damage is buffed by (maybe) +65%, for 60 seconds.
EDIT: It looks like a 100% success rate.
Sudden Raid + Venom = full screen poison brace?
Seems like it, and I also saw some monsters dieing from poison at the end of the video posted by WayOfTime, and as far as I know poison can't kill stuff right?Quote:
Originally Posted by cleric1213
The player seems to have about 6000 HP, so I think he's double washed(he had like 2100 MP). In a few of AristosMS's videos you can see that they have quite a few HP problems at higher levels.
I just noticed but... Is final cut right on lv 6?
If it is, I believe it's ridiculous to spend 1k mp on a skill doing LESS D:
I saw a video of someone with Thorns AND Sharp Eye buff. So I'd say they stack...
Can you please show us a NL with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigumaro
It can be too hilarious.
When I said someone, I meant a Dual Blader with its own buff + Sharp Eyes. I don't know if other classes can get Thorns+SE aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alloy
the thing about that stacking is it doesn't prove that it stacks only that the buffs remain in the buff tray. the only way we would know for sure is if he did before and after damages. When you apple and someone uses rage, the apple still stays in the buff tray but the range falls lower, so they could be doing the same thing here not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigumaro
hm...i am waiting for the archer job because what they did is stole some skills from other jobs, put them into a shadower char and changed the effects you can spot the rotten part under this Gold. why did they make it an adventurer job?the whole point of been an adventurer is having no story related. thats where the heros Step in. btw thanks for neo city "gms cant handle neo tokyo" lol ow wait it got delayed 2times at least its on "soon" now, i think gms is the only version who can't keep their promise.
SE doesn't visually affect your damage range. Neither would thorns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
Ah, but the only reason because apples stay is because they still affect the magic attack increase! If you override the effects of a buff/pot, it'll dissapear, but if you don't override them all, it'll stay showing it still does some effect, even if it isn't the main one.Quote:
Originally Posted by seal133
which is exactly why i said that theres no way to know unless they did before and after damages...? apple ~> rage comparison was more for the visual buffs staying in the tray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
Your pose was really vague and i had just woken up. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
Here's the video of Thorns + SE, thanks to AristosMS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuNlf3TnIAs
That's f'ucking overkill mang.
guy already posted it above >_> read
There is no way my 154 GMS buccaneer can keep up with that 144 KMST dual blader. What the f'uck.
No he didn't. O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
I think you should read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
Definitely some insane overkilling. He wasn't hitting crits as often as I thought he would though. Maybe it doesn't stack perfectly with SE.
This video shows Chains of Hell, again from AristosMS:
At around the 2:50 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smEKdfy5pS4
And chains of hell is faster than demolition while being just as strong...
WHAT THE F'UCK.
he did scroll up... theres a link to the youtube channel with them all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
no no i'm sure you are the one who needs to read.. not only was it posted before we were discussing it, although the discussion was not a long one.Quote:
I think you should read.
Definitely some insane overkilling. He wasn't hitting crits as often as I thought he would though. Maybe it doesn't stack perfectly with SE.
Since you two seem seem to be so sure it wasn't posted.. here's the quote n_n (page 9 has the actual link)Quote:
In a few of AristosMS's videos you can see that they have quite a few HP problems at higher levels.
Yeah that was the first thing that came to mind. I hope they speed up Demolition in Rebalancing Patch II.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
Except the videos I posted were uploaded after that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
meh well the guy who started the discussion about the stacking saw it early as well (when they were just posted). Didn't check time of when they were till you just said so, so my bad i guess o-o
He probably saw it on Insoya or some other Korean video site. They have some good videos but they take forever to load ._.
lol they never load for me either -_- like i see the bar buffer but the video never plays =_-
anyways ontopic about the video i love how flying assaulter works after you just fj'd.. and do you guys think it and final cut will rush bigfoots? And if his damage is nice in kms i cant wait till we get them with all our broken equips n_n
That's because they don't have base criticals. 15 + 35 = 50% And remember mirror image acts like shadow partner, so only look at the bottom half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bribery
In fact, I'm mostly sure they DO stack on everyone... I mean, look at that Aran down there... HE'S RAPING THE WHOLE PLATFORM.
I am crying for my Buccaneer now. They are like Mega Man, while the Dual Blade is Mega Man X with Golden Armor from X3.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...characters.jpg
i LOL'd ^^^
well... arans are strong and we knew that.. but do you realize what this all means? if they do stack, some people thinking nightlords are broken now? just wait until you see them IF thorns + SE stack and then add on that beautiful new critical adventurer ring..Quote:
In fact, I'm mostly sure they DO stack on everyone... I mean, look at that Aran down there... HE'S RAPING THE WHOLE PLATFORM.
Not like anything matches up to them anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shengz
Hm... According to Spadow's latest blog post, the first Tornado Spin listed in the data either doesn't exist, or both of the Tornado Spins are combined into one skill in the actual game.
http://spadow.wordpress.com/2010/02/...of-dual-blade/
It makes sense. I don't know how anyone's going to go about allocating their SP when you only get 43+ SP during 3rd job and split all of that across 4 different 20 SP skills. At least this way, there's only 3 skills to choose between.
We already know that Tornado spin has two parts. It's like how Full Swing only shows as one skill but has data for two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alilatias
What the hell dual bladers LOL.
they get SP so their 8 attacks get turned to 16 attacks. not to mention all they need to access it is Dark sight, while buccaneers need S. transform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
God i hope the KMS "rebalance" gets buccaneers at least on par with something.
? Chains of hell with SP = 24 hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worthyness
is endure like the other endure or do you not have to be on a ladder?
Is the range on chains of hell correct in the tables? It was way farther than that in the video.
There's two values for range, presumably one for hit box and one for pulling distance, since not everything can be pulled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takebacker
Is it safe to say then for enemies that can't be pulled the pulling part is ignored for stationary bosses? As in, the attack gets faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeTang
With or without the above happening, this skill completely destroys demolition in every way possible.
So apparently Chains of Hell does work on immobile monsters if they're within a certain range (I think it's the 140% range in the skill tables). I just saw a video on Insoya of a Dual Blader using it on Newties. The pulling effect misses and nothing else happens when he is too far. But when he was within a certain range, the initial hit (pulling effect) misses but the actual attack hits.
Here's the insoya link, hopefully someone will put it on youtube:
http://www.insoya.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=ucc&no=9905
So if that's how Chains of Hell is intended to work...brb making this class my main. :f3: