This "MS 2.0" is nothing really...

at those lvs you can do aything in the gaqme and have fun killing bosses.

As long as you're one of the 3 out of 20+ classes that actually is invited/welcome to go do those things because you meet some arbitrary definition of 'useful'.

As long as you're one of the 3 out of 20+ classes that actually is invited/welcome to go do those things because you meet some arbitrary definition of 'useful'.

just wondering, what might those three be?

just wondering, what might those three be?

Bishop, DK and NL.

Magicians mana reflection is much better now
Arans are preety good at bossing
Bowmasters, MM and Wild hunters do well at bosses too
Dual blades
Evan may be stronger with illusion with the new balance patch
Corsairs may do better than we actually think.

Maple should stop caring about wich class is usefull and wich class does more damage and think more about variety.

Bishop, DK and NL.

Maybe the arbitrary definition of which class is "useful" will change after the new stuff is implemented...

Maybe the arbitrary definition of which class is "useful" will change after the new stuff is implemented...

thats so odd. I had all three of those. they're gone now and I Found them (aside from the dk) so very borring. I wouldn't make those classes again. ever.

with these new skills and jobs i'm interested in making a CB a Hero and the resistence classes.

Maple should stop caring about wich class is usefull and wich class does more damage and think more about variety.

Why should they care about variety over getting it done faster?
What advantage does taking an hour have over being done in 5 minutes?
Mindsets don't just change. They require reasons and you're not providing any beyond what they should do, and since the people who have these mindsets are already in the classes that cause these elitist schizms of who's more useful than who, they have no reason to find problem with the fact they're excluding 80% of the game.

Why should they care about variety over getting it done faster?
What advantage does taking an hour have over being done in 5 minutes?
Mindsets don't just change. They require reasons and you're not providing any beyond what they should do, and since the people who have these mindsets are already in the classes that cause these elitist schizms of who's more useful than who, they have no reason to find problem with the fact they're excluding 80% of the game.

While I agree with this partly, just because even though Paladins are actually a much better bossing choce currently over Heroes you won't see them being brought anymore, my main problem with it is that I find at high levels connections made are vastly more important than your class (The only real exception is A/M's but every AM I've known had come to terms with that and made a 2nd char).

So it usually doesn't matter if you're a lolshad, you still get to HT. And you could be a omgdrk, and still be left out if you. That said I hope that these changes do blow away misconceptions.

Bishop, DK and NL.

I know it's a little beside the point, but what good is an NL without SE?

While I agree with this partly, just because even though Paladins are actually a much better bossing choce currently over Heroes you won't see them being brought anymore, my main problem with it is that I find at high levels connections made are vastly more important than your class (The only real exception is A/M's but every AM I've known had come to terms with that and made a 2nd char).

So it usually doesn't matter if you're a lolshad, you still get to HT. And you could be a omgdrk, and still be left out if you. That said I hope that these changes do blow away misconceptions.

Yeah, I hope so too. And maybe these changes will balance out the classes...who knows?

As a retired player for 3 years now, I felt a small urge to download the game again and play it however, I keep getting reminded of the two reasons that kept me away all those years: the game is still not free to play. I'd still need to rely on small pay-to-play factors that are pets, pet equips and a shop permit. The second reason being that the real content lay in the 4th job skills and to even have some skills to play with, that would require being level 13x-15x. And despite new and revamped skills, it doesn't stray away from the fact that I would still need to sit at some computer for consecutive hours for days and the eventual weeks that are necessary to reach level 13x-15x. Oh and a pet peeve of mine has always been the unnecessary waits for ship, boats and trains. It can take a good one to two hours to go from one end maple world to the other.

So to directly reply to the OP, yes. Yes, I do agree that "these updates don't make much jack".

I know it's a little beside the point, but what good is an NL without SE?

You only need 1 person who can use SE to every three to five NLs, just like you only need at most 1 bishop per five others. Even without SE five NLs will take down a boss faster than most other configurations.
The point was the people who are "needed" are relatively few and far between, and most of them don't even enjoy themselves because they know they're not doing anything special - they're just being the stick that clubs the boss to death or a one trick wonder brought along to make the so called useful people even more so.

Even without SE five NLs will take down a boss faster than most other configurations.

Pretty sure this is wrong.
the higher the NL the less he needs - In most bosses, NLs do fine without a DrK or Bishop, which is mostly everything below HT\PB

The point was the people who are "needed" are relatively few and far between, and most of them don't even enjoy themselves because they know they're not doing anything special - they're just being the stick that clubs the boss to death or a one trick wonder brought along to make the so called useful people even more so.

That's more of an inherent game problem than anything else. The small amount of skills and the fact that only a few classes have party skills worth a damn is what causes that. Coupled with what is possibly the worst damage system I've ever seen (high damage, 1 second invincibility between hits, spammable pots, no way to dodge or block reliably most of the time) means that this game's appeal is in just about everything but its mechanics.

The answer to 3, is simply that's nexon america and asiasoft's problem. There is no hacking or account sieges in foreign versions, at anywhere near an epidemic level. It's barely noticed.

That's more of an inherent game problem than anything else.

That would be the entire point of this thread, yes?
That all these changes haven't touched the inherent flaws that drive the game to be a crap experience?

That would be the entire point of this thread, yes?
That all these changes haven't touched the inherent flaws that drive the game to be a crap experience?

The formulas. Those are still there to be seen. Maybe mages get a good share on bosses now. Maybe they get to be on par on one on one damage. Or have something to make up for it. They are actually working on it for once, I'd say we should give them a chance. Then we could complain, if they screw up.

They are actually working on it for once

Yes, they're working on it.
But it's no where near done and since it's not even out of Tespia yet the entire update is mostly irrelevant.
Nothing will be changed until we get final results, so the threads assertion is mostly correct. This is nothing really. Yet.

Yes, they're working on it.
But it's no where near done and since it's not even out of Tespia yet the entire update is mostly irrelevant.
Nothing will be changed until we get final results, so the threads assertion is mostly correct. This is nothing really. Yet.

And that's my point, just making people consider that all PQs are availible now, maybe they'll work around level restricted areas, they are already tweaking the skills AND formulas, monster book maybe delivering a surprise on its comeback, and many other stuff still unadressed.

Just that this seems quite a lot for now, considering that... Well, in a single patch, they basically turned the game upside down. Wait for the tenth...

Ah the fun we had 1 nl 1 fp 1 il and a hero and 2 alt accounts to gain entry at zak if only the whole mapleverse could understand. Everyone was useful everyone had blast. Unfortunately they wouldnt want to spend the 90 minutes it took to down him that way.