New Root Abyss Equip Drop

[Takebacker]

Recently since November, or when? I thought the keys were always like that. At least, mine never expired.

Since last patch maybe? I'm not entirely sure on a time frame but they definitely expired at one point before christmas and after december.

[holycow]

why does MSEA's drop rate have to get nerfed to the ground

[Mazz]

They made the keys not expire recently (though it doesn't really matter since the npc only gives you a max of 3 anyway) so they're still changing things. I would say it's worth a shot bringing that up.

'tis done!
Hopefully they make that change, it's very frustrating having only one person be able to buy the scrolls at a time. Would be a huge time saver if everyone could gear up together.

[MissingLink]

I wonder if there is some sort of ongoing mixup in how the drop rates are set up. Perhaps there have been two methods at different times, one where the actual rate ratio is entered, eg 1 in 100 , and another where it goes in as a %. So sometimes they intend to say lower the drop rate from .01 to .001, but it ends up being .001% = .00001 (perhaps this happened to Nebulite boxes).
Or, in as inthis case of RA or Emp drops, perhaps they though they were entering say .2% but actually entered .2, ie 1 in 5 chance for each possible drop out of many types.

[user]

^ It's not that the drop rates were altered; rather, it's the fundamental equip distribution system that's been modified.

[ElTwice]

Wait a minute how bad is the drop rate of SW equips now? it is more noticeable on the last run?

[TugboatWilly]

Wait a minute how bad is the drop rate of SW equips now? it is more noticeable on the last run?

Since they changed it I haven't gotten an equip/weapon drop.

[Grimorel]

Kinda messed up with the drop. For this to work everyone needs to be in map and be alive at the same time.
I was only able to get a few tops from von bon.

Spoiler

[qtpie]

All I'm going to say is: I got 400, yes 400 empress equips on runs today. CRA? 30 equips. Income from those bosses is basically going to be nothing now relative to those who are funded enough to do them. If you can do empress, less than 10m per equip is not going to cut it for you, especially when you'll have a hard time selling it at 10m per. If you can do croot, you spend hundreds of K of nx per item...KMS's 50m levels of pay for each equip is not going to cut it either.

What does that mean? The game is more pay to win, not less. What does a noob have to look forward to when defeating new bosses besides just beating it. He's worked all this time to get strong enough to FINALLY kill empress/cra, and what happens? His income stays the same and he gets minimal reward. How do you make money off of boss drops when there are 6x as many of them in an already saturated fm? How does he further improve himself after coming all this way so that he can take the next step and beat another boss ? Really, it's very difficult and really, there's no point in doing it because he doesn't even get more income to work towards that new tier.

Like @Outrightliar said, The majority of what you spend and the effectiveness on an equip is NOT the clean equip. It's the scrolling and cubing.

The point of the game is to get rewards from EFFORT YOU PUT IN. What this does is rewards effort LESS , and therefore rewards spending MORE on NX.

It was already a problem for lower level bosses, which didn't drop anything of value, but now it's extended to the ridiculous bosses too. Basically there's no way to make good money off boss drops anymore besides gollux. The effort required vs reward is so skewed that I don't know why anyone would work to get stronger anymore. It does help the lower level players VERY slightly, but at the price of the end game players (which is what lower level players are usually striving for...). Not worth it.

As for party players: you didn't get any increased income because the equips will deflate massively, proportional to the drop rate increase. Most solo'ers will just bring in 5 looters.

There was a problem with this game, but doing this only made it worse, it didn't fix anything.

well said. exactly what I was thinking. This new drop rate is basically instant gratification where people are happy about the short term, but in the long term, nexon takes out more money from us.

[DavyJonesx]

'tis done!
Hopefully they make that change, it's very frustrating having only one person be able to buy the scrolls at a time. Would be a huge time saver if everyone could gear up together.

Wow that one guy is being a real plantain about it :\

[Mazz]

Wow that one guy is being a real plantain about it :\

I agree, @kayeyearekay; is
dunno why he's so upset about it, and I dunno why he feels like his opinion is the truth either, I was just trying to help :|

[Takebacker]

I agree, kayeyearekay; is
dunno why he's so upset about it, and I dunno why he feels like his opinion is the truth either, I was just trying to help :|

It's ok. He can keep bumping it until it gets fixed/addressed and we all laugh.

[Tigeon]

It's ok. He can keep bumping it until it gets fixed/addressed and we all laugh.

Sadly I think that guy has went past the point of laughter to the point of pity if he is really serious...

If he's trolling though then hell with him.

[Gymleaders]

I agree, kayeyearekay; is
dunno why he's so upset about it, and I dunno why he feels like his opinion is the truth either, I was just trying to help :|

Well it's not the first time he's done this. He did it recently here as well! http://www.southperry.net/showthread...=1#post1220451

I think he/she is borderline delusional. It's kinda creepy. Nothing bothers me more than the whole "/end thread" thing, like somehow they get the last word, and can just close threads.


I would like to see Nexon's opinion on the matter, or facts even. I'm interested in their actions.

[SaptaZapta]

Wait a minute how bad is the drop rate of SW equips now? it is more noticeable on the last run?

I do a Lith run and two Riens every day. Haven't gotten a single equip drop since they changed it.
Not that I had all that much luck before that, but usually ended up with at least one equip a day since I unlocked Rien.

[Niernen]

The drop rate seems unchanged to me. Then again, seeing how I never got anything....

[ManxDrk]

'tis done!
Hopefully they make that change, it's very frustrating having only one person be able to buy the scrolls at a time. Would be a huge time saver if everyone could gear up together.

I hate that bug to hell f3

It doesn't let me help my friends gear up/scroll their gollux stuffs :(

[Shads]

All I'm going to say is: I got 400, yes 400 empress equips on runs today. CRA? 30 equips. Income from those bosses is basically going to be nothing now relative to those who are funded enough to do them. If you can do empress, less than 10m per equip is not going to cut it for you, especially when you'll have a hard time selling it at 10m per. If you can do croot, you spend hundreds of K of nx per item...KMS's 50m levels of pay for each equip is not going to cut it either.

What does that mean? The game is more pay to win, not less. What does a noob have to look forward to when defeating new bosses besides just beating it. He's worked all this time to get strong enough to FINALLY kill empress/cra, and what happens? His income stays the same and he gets minimal reward. How do you make money off of boss drops when there are 6x as many of them in an already saturated fm? How does he further improve himself after coming all this way so that he can take the next step and beat another boss ? Really, it's very difficult and really, there's no point in doing it because he doesn't even get more income to work towards that new tier.

Like @Outrightliar said, The majority of what you spend and the effectiveness on an equip is NOT the clean equip. It's the scrolling and cubing.

The point of the game is to get rewards from EFFORT YOU PUT IN. What this does is rewards effort LESS , and therefore rewards spending MORE on NX.

It was already a problem for lower level bosses, which didn't drop anything of value, but now it's extended to the ridiculous bosses too. Basically there's no way to make good money off boss drops anymore besides gollux. The effort required vs reward is so skewed that I don't know why anyone would work to get stronger anymore. It does help the lower level players VERY slightly, but at the price of the end game players (which is what lower level players are usually striving for...). Not worth it.

As for party players: you didn't get any increased income because the equips will deflate massively, proportional to the drop rate increase. Most solo'ers will just bring in 5 looters.

There was a problem with this game, but doing this only made it worse, it didn't fix anything.

This is a problem yes but we already have it stacked on how over-inflated our items already are. They've come to ridiculous prices where there's a price gap between empress and the next higher gear being nearly 1000x as much. That
shouldn't be how it works. Yes I understand that you have to make money, and empress is now dropping in both value and somewhat in necessity, it's still ridiculous in pricing. This is the pure reason I've stopped upgrading and am having a
hard time finding actual enjoyment in playing this. While another fault is content, why can't I have the ability to upgrade my equipment even higher than it is now? and not be able to reach the highest I can go? Because we have a broken economy full of greedy people. The reason empress is falling in value is due to the fact that EVERYONE HAS IT it's not because no one wants it, so what do the people do that have access to the equipment higher? Oh how about make it a price where no one can reach because nothing below it has any actual value. Either way we go someone has to spend a ridiculous amount of money getting perfect gear to sell just to make even more perfect gear. What Nexon and it's players has done is made a humongous bridge that we're all aware of that make it p2w, and we're just helping them out. Even if RA drops in price then something else will skyrocket, and if it regains it's price the other items become what they once were and nothing has changed. While yes Nexon has made the game slightly less p2w the large majority of the game is still and always will be this. If the effort I need to put in is breaking my entire bank account and just pouring in hundreds and thousands of dollars just for very little gain, then I never want to put in any effort. THis may make your effort that you put in less, but the gain from your effort is already too small, you've already fallen into Nexon's ploy, those who've put in this much effort into the game just to be able to solo these bosses have already lost.

tl;dr Basically if you've already gotten to the point that you can solo these bosses without the help of others then you've payed way too much money for very little gain. Also the system pretty broken already to have to put this much effort in.

[Fizz]

drop rate was definitely buffed as well.
2 runs with 6 characters:

[Foolyz]

drop rate was definitely buffed as well.
2 runs with 6 characters:

Ha! That's hilarious! I'd love to be able to fight these bosses, but I'm not spending thousands to get the required range. How well would a full party of people with an average range of 500k fare? As if I could find that in YMCK.