Are Warriors a Dieing Class?

It's not like they're eliminating a training place altogether (i.e. skeles and newties), they're simply adding more. Just because they leave out one doesn't mean they ignore. I know my friend who's an I/L and still levels fast at Newties. Look at all the people who reached 200 already, they did it without those new ToT mobs. If you think about it, people will always complain when new monsters are released because the class that doesn't get the benefit will act like "ZOMG NEXON DOESN'T CARE WE GET NERFD". Nexon can't address every single class every single time they release a few new mobs, you know.

as it is now, i have very little problems with accuracy, and im only 60 base dex. There are ways to come up with the needed accuracy, such as scrolling shoes for accuracy instead of dex, scrolling zhelms for accuracy, and getting a ht pendant and adding that egg to it. I currently have 187 accuracy, without even adding bless to it. I dont think that having higher avoid monsters will be a problem, as ht requires a fair amount of accuracy as is.

The starting post about maybe needing more accuracy for newer monsters I dont really think that would be a reason for warriors to be a 'dieing class' right now every low/nodex warrior is able to hit everything even HT and this without overall. If I would need extra accuracy I could allways switch from top bot to overall also I dont have any face equip I seen those where out. But even if there would come out more monsters that require impossible accuracy there would still be plenty others so no need to worry about that.

I don't see them dieing out any time soon, especially after looking at the price of Warrior equips/scrolls right now. Alternative training spots are just that, alternative. Skele's/Newts are still fine to train at all the way to end game even with new mobs. Maybe a new mob in the future will have extremely low avoid, ones that are weak to thunder, and another that won't damage sins and archers enough to kill in 2~ hits.

True, getting 180, or even 200 accuracy isn't impossible, but to hit something with 70 Avoid, which isn't far away if they continue at this rate, requires 257 accuracy. o__o

I believe the bodyguards, or atleast the final bodyguard ( The Boss ) has an amount of avoid that not a single warrior is ever going to hit.

It's mainly because of Showa I realized how harsh nexon is on warriors really; we're literally being excluded from a few bosses unless we insanely HP wash or get to a rather high level (Anego slap) and then we don't have the advantages of leveling because of the boss like hermits/NL do.

Course, this could maybe mean salvation for regular dex warriors at one point or another. But still, we'll just have to wait and see. Till then, I'll be mass upgrading my accuracy.

I believe the bodyguards, or atleast the final bodyguard ( The Boss ) has an amount of avoid that not a single warrior is ever going to hit.

It's mainly because of Showa I realized how harsh nexon is on warriors really; we're literally being excluded from a few bosses unless we insanely HP wash or get to a rather high level (Anego slap) and then we don't have the advantages of leveling because of the boss like hermits/NL do.

Course, this could maybe mean salvation for regular dex warriors at one point or another. But still, we'll just have to wait and see. Till then, I'll be mass upgrading my accuracy.

No, this is how the JMS dev team decided to handle their exclusive area. Showa is for the ranged characters. Having HIGH HP bosses with LOW KB is perfect for hurricane and TT as they just have to pin them to the wall constantly to win. Don't forget the parking lot as well, a haven for early AE/AR archers.

It's kaede castle that's built for warriors and tankers (funny enough shadowers and mages can get a decent amount out of both areas) as the frog boss does EXTREMELY high damage that no ranged character could really hope to withstand.

yay shadowers and mages!

how does Nexon making monsters with high avoid, make them hate warriors?

They're the highest lvl training monsters in the game. So no pomegranate they're gonna have high avoid lol.

how does Nexon making monsters with high avoid, make them hate warriors?

They're the highest lvl training monsters in the game. So no pomegranate they're gonna have high avoid lol.

People are mad because of that, they're the highest level monster in the game that you can train on, usually meaning they have a decent exp an hour rate.
Think about it, if you poured your heart and soul into a character that couldn't even work effectively on the strongest monster, then you'd feel pretty useless too.
But, since Skeles are the strongest as of now, we won't have to worry. Maybe ToT won't be as great as everyone thinks, and skeles will still be the best place to go. Either way, i'm a WK. Holy charge at Skeles ftw. Unless ToT crap is weak to something.

People are mad because of that, they're the highest level monster in the game that you can train on, usually meaning they have a decent exp an hour rate.
Think about it, if you poured your heart and soul into a character that couldn't even work effectively on the strongest monster, then you'd feel pretty useless too.
But, since Skeles are the strongest as of now, we won't have to worry. Maybe ToT won't be as great as everyone thinks, and skeles will still be the best place to go. Either way, i'm a WK. Holy charge at Skeles ftw. Unless ToT crap is weak to something.

There are basically mobs weak to every other element there. I don't remember for sure though.

this is a ridiculous question, no one class ever dies out and i doubt the new training areas will be so much better than skeles/newties so as to make them completely obsolete.

besides, 180 acc with bless isn't that hard... i don't have a HT pendant, my zhelm is badly scrolled, i don't have a face or eye equip, i have 4 base dex, and i have 129 bless-less with my FS and 138 with my acc shoes. already 166.6 with an avg HT pendant/acc shoes, and there's still a pomegranate-ton of upgrades left to make.

No, this is how the JMS dev team decided to handle their exclusive area. Showa is for the ranged characters. Having HIGH HP bosses with LOW KB is perfect for hurricane and TT as they just have to pin them to the wall constantly to win. Don't forget the parking lot as well, a haven for early AE/AR archers.

It's kaede castle that's built for warriors and tankers (funny enough shadowers and mages can get a decent amount out of both areas) as the frog boss does EXTREMELY high damage that no ranged character could really hope to withstand.

Last time I checked though, the frog boss had a shitload of Avoid aswell. :f6:

It's bound to happen. I guess it sucks fine-tuning your character to (x) accuracy to get the most damage possible, and having the amount needed suddenly skyrocket, but that's progression.

I was honestly surprised that Skelegons don't require more accuracy than they do, especially considering they released Dark Helm ACC scrolls soon before Leafre. Although I guess that has more to do with the fact that Leafre is a C&P from Korea, they can't just say "hay guise, were gonna riase avoydanse kk"


Warriors have always had their issues with range/accuracy(olawd KPQ)/mobility/etc...and really Paladins and DKs have poor damage against bosses. Heros have nice damage, flashy skills...they're decent. DKs will forever have Hyper Body regardless of other issues to keep them wanted by players (although not always wanted to be played....), and Paladins have always been rare as hell.



Really no boss should be (more or less) ranged/warrior exclusive. I hate the idea of Anego being so easy-mode for ranged attackers, impossible for Heros/Paladins to do any significant damage unless massively leveled and washed, and DKs can like....polearm fury and dragon roar (woo?). Same for Grandpa Gunboss, seriously...441 accuracy to 100%...at level 175? pineapple off. You should be able to party at the same boss with your friends regardless of class.



No class is a dying class, really. Not many people are willing to truly up and quit their 120+ characters and restart anew, and most people don't do the research before picking a class, they just deal with it later.

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Well put it this way, I am dexless and I can hit just over 200 accuracy with beholders hex. Horntail Pendant (at +1) goes a long way, but a well scrolled zakum helmet goes even further. By the time we get this place, most warriors who can train there should have a +1 pendant and a somewhat scrolled zhelm. They can even have a little bit of base dex (more than 4).

Course, when they release the ToT stuff ACC stuff is going to sky rocket and the bandwagon on new dexless character will die down a bit, however everyone dexless/lowdex will want to get more accuracy in order to train there.

tl;dr start upgrading already

personally as my main is a priest until they release a way to massively boost hp like 30% shoe hp +150hp each or a "Hyper Body" pot, a warrior(dk) will always be near

warriors will never die out, the company will have some way of balancing out the accuracy issue in forms of a scroll, new equip etc. if new monsters made a certain class obsolete, it goes against that company's best interests to try and keep a community of people that play the game as it is.

I don't see myself quitting my Hero anytime soon due to accuracy requirements. Besides that, without a scrolled zhelm I have about 140 acc, and 160 acc with bless. Another 20 acc wouldn't be too difficult as soon as I scroll a zhelm. There's always the HT pendant to look forward to as well, along with the new face/eye accessories that can be scrolled for acc. Any way you look at it, 180 acc really isn't that difficult to attain.

It really only bothers me because...

Well, I have 30 base dex. In exp per hour every other class beats me at my level. (except maybe CBs)

Warriors are already kind've gimped so to speak because of lack of mobility and range, add accuracy issues and they have more downsides then any other class.

And... will we even get ToT?

You guys shouldn't worry about things like this at such times. IF we do get ToT, it'll be in AT LEAST, 1~2 years or so.

By that time Nexon should be releasing something that gives more acc which would allow us [Dexless warriors] to be able to hit something in those places. I currently have 158 acc with Top/Bot. And my Bottom was scrolled before those "Dex&Acc" Bottom scrolls were out, so I could still get some other ~10 acc from it. Zhelm can be upgraded too. Also, we have Amoria Baskets, which are cheap [At least in Bellocan] items that could help as well.

I don't think there should be alot to worry about, since there's plenty of time for nexon to bring out more Acc items, in case they do release more. If not, next step is to make near-perfect items for funded people.