Are Warriors a Dieing Class?

Well, as I was reading through some post, Hero pointed out the massive avoid Temple of Time Monsters have. Recalling that Leafre was very much the same, but lower, this raises a startling reality: Is Nexon going to create more and more high avoid monsters, to the point where anything under 100 Base Dex is impossible? This would either kill the class entirely, as the damage drop would kill them at Bosses. Leafre's top was 43 Avoid? ToT's top is 49. That's 180 Ref. Accuracy right there. Imagine 60 avoid, 70...

Discuss?

that's why mage's are good. they can hit monsters, and have the survivability to well, survive

It doesn't matter, because everyone is going to make a Pirate anyways.
I don't really understand this warrior accuracy/dex stuff very much.
How much more DEX would they need to pull out of their ass to take down ToT monsters?

It doesn't matter, because everyone is going to make a Pirate anyways.
I don't really understand this warrior accuracy/dex stuff very much.
How much more DEX would they need to pull out of their ass to take down ToT monsters?

Look at it this way. LowDex/Dexless warriors strive for 140 accuracy-ish. They need 180 for the highest ToT monsters.

That 40 accuracy's 50 Dex. ._.

Maybe Nexon are trying to prove they don't hate Bowmen after all?

Maybe Nexon are trying to prove they don't hate Bowmen after all?

Nexon hates everyone but sins. Killer Avoid on monsters to show hate towards warriors. ABs and Glitches on Bowman skills, Elemental Monsters being rare to piss off Paladins/Mages.... ._.

no, they're trying to prove they hate warriors, cuz pirates, mages, and theives can hit it just fine. shadowers are good cuz of meso gurad too.(you're practically invincible with some munneh)

EDIT:nvm, they hate everyone.

Not necesarily hated by nexon, there'll always be a way to improve your accuracy. Plus, nobody's forcing anyone to go dexless. There's ALOT of things that can be scrolled for either ACC or DEX, so that's not really a problem. However, I do realize the community is starting to be more "meh" towards all warriors except DK nowadays (Mainly because they are needed for Horntail.)

I start regretting I went Fighter over spearman more and more. -_-

Really though, by the time ToT will be released (HOPEFULLY) eye accesories will be more common. By then, I reckon most higher leveled warriors will have their pendants&eggs, meaning they're bound to have enough accuracy by then. Considering most warriors have plenty of accuracy right now and are using top/bottom sets, they could always switch back to overalls.

as far as i know, accuraccy has always been the biggest issue for warriors. by their nature, a warrior's secondary stat is accuraccy. having monsters with higher avoid doesn't mean that nexon hates warriors (and personally, i think the hero bandwagon says the same.) with new monsters out, the class will just have to adapt to the new circumstances, similar to dark knights learning how to use berzerk rather than relying on a cleric's heal the entire time.

Not necesarily hated by nexon, there'll always be a way to improve your accuracy. Plus, nobody's forcing anyone to go dexless. There's ALOT of things that can be scrolled for either ACC or DEX, so that's not really a problem. However, I do realize the community is starting to be more "meh" towards all warriors except DK nowadays (Mainly because they are needed for Horntail.)

I start regretting I went Fighter over spearman more and more. -_-

Really though, by the time ToT will be released (HOPEFULLY) eye accesories will be more common. By then, I reckon most higher leveled warriors will have their pendants&eggs, meaning they're bound to have enough accuracy by then. Considering most warriors have plenty of accuracy right now and are using top/bottom sets, they could always switch back to overalls.

True, getting 180, or even 200 accuracy isn't impossible, but to hit something with 70 Avoid, which isn't far away if they continue at this rate, requires 257 accuracy. o__o

No one class will ever 'die out.'
There are always new players, and probably around over half of new players start with warriors.

Well, then again, I think I see just as many now as I ever have.
But then again, I'm back to PQing, not bossing at Zak anymore or training Gobies/Himes.

Well, I don't mean "die out" as in a total extinction, but rather a massive drop in the population such as the Dark Knight situation in jMS. If Warriors need massive Dex to hit high leveled monsters, the high level warriors will probably die out if no compensation is made. (Such as an increase in Weapon Attack to override the extra Dex/Str loss)

Well, I don't mean "die out" as in a total extinction, but rather a massive drop in the population such as the Dark Knight situation in jMS. If Warriors need massive Dex to hit high leveled monsters, the high level warriors will probably die out if no compensation is made. (Such as an increase in Weapon Attack to override the extra Dex/Str loss)

I guess Dark Knights are kinda rare, but I don't know how rare they are compared to other 4th jobs.
I've only met a handful of Bowmasters since 4th came out.

I quit my Dark Knight and deleted it, and one of the reasons was because the stats were messed up (I was amazed I got to 120) and the skills were kinda suckish.

I couldn't even get Berserk 'cause I couldn't kill Griffey.
>_>;

(Such as an increase in Weapon Attack to override the extra Dex/Str loss)

I doubt that could bring them up to SE'd NL/Bowmaster damage. Really the only thing that would need warriors is bosses that do 12-15k damage steadily, and can hit the entire map.

Dark Knights are still a dwindling problem, I have a hard enough time finding decent-leveled and legit ones who know how to play their character. You'd be surprised how many Dark Knights don't know how to keep a Hyperbody up during a boss fight. But it is true, you can't make even a decent Dark Knight to match up to say, a decently funded Hero unless you're overly funded (sometimes with NX for washing) and can keep a constant hold on Berserk 20/30's threshold. Oh yeah and speaking of Berserk, it's like Dark Knights get owned even more when Horntail drops the main book they need when Heroes find all their books off of easy bosses. The only good news is the increase in the 5% threshold. I really do applaud the remaining Dark Knights who have gotten over the hell levels of 12x-13x and keep on playing. If you're Windian and know how to play your character, let me know.

I fail to see how they hate you because they stuck more avoid on harder monsters at much higher levels.

Remember, lots of warriors choose Dexless/Low Dex. Those builds obviously have lower accuracy because of lower dex. You wouldn't have that problem with normal. Maybe what they're really trying to do is get more people to actually be more diverse in their choices in builds.

Oh yeah and regarding the new monsters, I believed they were introduced as a balancing issue (for mainly as elemental weaknesses). Skelegons and Newties are still a good source of training.

if its elemental balancing, why did I/L's get screwed over with no ice weaknesses? the fking fire monsters are weak to goddamn poison! what the fk.plus, our lightning attack is weak as pomegranate and all it does is aggro things, its too weak to kill!

if its elemental balancing, why did I/L's get screwed over with no ice weaknesses? the fking fire monsters are weak to goddamn poison! what the fk.plus, our lightning attack is weak as pomegranate and all it does is aggro things, its too weak to kill!

Chain lightning is weak?

Chain lightning is weak?

To single targets, yes. Comared it to brandish, triple throw or hurricane, CL is a joke.

And I don't see why people have to be worried about accuracy. Accuracy is so easy to get now, many many warriors are dexless or have below 20 base dex. Some might have to raise base dex or some can just go from a str cape to a dex cape. Go from top/bottom to overall since over allsadds more accuracy.

Bowmen and hermits didn't quit when leafre came out since their weakness is HP and they can't skele until mid 14x. Didn't stop them.