A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS

You are the swords in the darkness. You are the watchers on the walls. You are the fires that burn against the cold, the lights that bring the dawn, the horns that wake the sleepers, the shields that guard the realms of men. You are the Night's Watch, and the wildlings have amassed an army lead by none other than Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. This army is now upon you, and the Wall is officially under attack. Mance has sent a small team of elite chiefs to infiltrate the Watch and take it out from the inside, and you as the Watch must find and eliminate these intruders lest they open the gates and let the rest of the wildlings past the Wall. You are the realm's last hope, you of the Night's Watch. May the Seven guide you in your cause.

Rules

Is stealing rules against the rules?

1- All players have a role in the game and it is forbidden to reveal the content of your Role PM ipsis litteris in the game’s topic. Paraphrasing is fine, there’s no guarantee anyone will believe you though.

2- Do not reveal information of the game to people not participating on it, it may create problems if they come in and substitute another player mid-game.

3- The game will cycle between Day and Night until a faction wins the game. Days will last 48h, nights 24h.

4- The game will begin on Day 1, there will already be voting on that day.

5- All votes must be bolded. If you wish to remove your vote, remove the boldface from your previous vote and only then make a new one. If a Lynch voting ends in a draw, the player who achieved that amount of votes first will be lynched.
Ex. [Vote] xMasdoshniernTAx

6- Voting for No Lynch is an acceptable vote option during the Day and it will result in no player been lynched that Day. If it is wise or interesting to do so is up to the players.
Ex. [Vote] No Lynch

7- Be mindful when editing posts. Unless it's a really minor thing like spelling mistakes, always favor making a new post instead. DO NOT edit posts after the end of the Day.

8- Players are strictly forbidden to talk in private, unless their Role PM explicitly tells them they can.

9- If you are dead or not playing you can’t post on the game’s topic. Another topic will be made for discussion. Please don't post game information in the discussion thread.

10- The players’ Role PM will be revealed by me when they die.

11- If you have any questions about your Role PM, the game, or any other commentary or concern, send me a PM. Avoid talking on the game or discussion topics so as to avoid revealing sensitive information.

12- Do not impersonate other players or me, do not produce fake logs, do not take screenshots of the game, do not discuss in private with other players unless your role PM explicitly allows it.

13- If any players breaks any of these rules, he will receive punishment accordingly. In the worst case, he’ll be removed from the game and, possibly, future games by me.

14- If there’s any changes to the rules, you will be warned.

Players:
1. @y0y0y0y0shi0;
2. @Shidoshi;
3. @LuvDWayULie;
4. @meowmixx;
5. @Olsi;
6. @MasPan;
7. @VerrKol;
8. @Kyrastri;
9. @Hypermug;
10. @Polantaris;
11. @MetaSeraphim;
12. @TheBirds;
13. @Salguod;
14. @ChaoticCJ;
15. @Niernen;

Post here for Day 0 to indicate that you have received your role PM. If you have any questions or you think I made any mistakes, feel free to PM me.

The Lichyard

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Originally Posted by TheBirds

You are Three-Finger Hobb, the main cook for the Night’s Watch. You can make some amazing stew, and once every odd-numbered night you may send me a PM containing [Give Stew to] Target to give them some stew. Your target will be so preoccupied with eating your delicious stew that they won’t do anything else for the rest of the night. If by some means you acquire an onion, you can make even more stew and give out stew every night. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

You are King Stannis “The Mannis” Baratheon, one of several kings fighting for the Iron Throne. You and your trusted Hand Ser Davos have just arrived from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to save the Wall from the wildlings. If your Hand dies you will commit suicide out of grief but you can kill a person of your choosing upon your death. You may choose your target by sending me a PM containing [Revenge Kill] Target. This kill will happen next morning but will count as part of the previous day phase. You may NOT communicate with your Hand outside of the game thread. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Hypermug

You are Lord Davos Seaworth, the Onion Knight, Lord of the Rainwood, and Hand to King Stannis. You have just arrived with your king from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to save the Wall from the wildlings. If your king dies then you will commit suicide out of grief for the king to whom you have dedicated your life. You can also use your experience as a smuggler to give one player an onion each night by sending me a PM containing [Give Onion to] Target. This action cannot be stopped. You may NOT communicate with your King outside of the game thread. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

You are Varamyr Sixskins, a powerful warg and a leader of the free folk. You ride into battle on the back of a snow bear, while also controlling three wolves and a shadowcat. You have recently acquired an eagle which you can use for scouting, and each night you may send me a PM containing [Scout] Target to determine if they performed any night actions. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Pyp.

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Originally Posted by Niernen

You are Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. You are leading the free folk on an attack on the Wall because you know it’s their only hope of surviving through the winter before the Others arrive. You have great knowledge of the Night’s Watch having been a member before, and you will appear as a brother of the Night’s Watch when investigated. Additionally, you may assassinate one person each night by sending me a PM containing [Kill] Target. Should you die, one of your lieutenants will be able to perform the kill. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Othell Yarwyck.

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Originally Posted by VerrKol

You are Donal Noye, the one-armed blacksmith of Castle Black. You forged a new suit of armour and you can give it to another player. The armour prevents them from being killed once. You only have one suit of armour, and you cannot give it to yourself. To give the suit of armour send me a PM at night containing [Armour] Target. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

You are a White Walker, sometimes called an Other. After 8000 years you are finally taking back the land that was yours before the First Men and the Children of the Forest fought you off and put up that pesky Wall. Your speed and ice sword give you an incredible advantage in battle, and you cannot be killed by normal means. You can survive one attempt on your life each phase before the humans learn of your weaknesses and begin using dragonglass weapons. If you are discovered by the servants of the Red God they will expose your weakness immediately and your protection will be lost. You can fight back though, and once a night you may send me a PM containing [Resurrect] Target to bring a dead player back to life as a wight. You may only resurrect the same person once. Every three wights you raise increases the weight of your vote by one and you start the game with two wights under your control. If your vote counts for more than half of the votes on the day’s lynch, that lynch victim is immediately brought back as a wight. Your vote cannot count for more than three, and you cannot have the majority vote by yourself. You win if you are alive when the number of wights is greater than the number of living humans left in the game.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

You are Tormund Giantsbane, a chief of the free folk. You are loud and boisterous, but a fearsome fighter. You have many titles and stories to go with them, including Tall-talker, Horn-blower and Breaker of Ice, Husband to Bears, the Mead-king of Ruddy Hall, Speaker to Gods and Father of Hosts. Once in the game you may PM me with [Strong Kill] Target to kill someone regardless of any protection. This can be done in addition to the free folk’s normal kill. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Bowen Marsh.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCJ

You are Eddison “Dolorous Edd” Tollett, a brother of the Night’s Watch. You have no special abilities (other than being the snarkiest person this side of Moat Cailin) but you can still defend the Wall with your voice and your vote. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

You are Styr, the Magnar of Thenn. Your people consider you more of a god than a man, and you command absolute loyalty from them. Your technology and civilization is more advanced than the rest of the free folk, producing bronze weapons and armour rather than raiding for equipment, but there have been some strange rumours about the Thenns being cannibals? You have no idea where that started, because the only cannibals amongst the free folk are the Ice-River clans. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Satin.

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Got my PM :)

Role confirm.:D

I'm sad that I don't know enough GoT lore and have forgotten half the names so I can't post flavor :f4:

Who is this "xMasdoshniernTAx"?

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Originally Posted by Niernen

I'm sad that I don't know enough GoT lore and have forgotten half the names so I can't post flavor :f4:

Who is this "xMasdoshniernTAx"?

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I stole BTA's stolen rules and he had Masdoshi there, so I mashed up more mod names into that.

Confirmed.

I'm here. I know nothing.

it begins!! :3

reporting for duty

PM received.

Confirming.

Got the letter through a raven.

Okay just missing @ChaoticCJ; @y0y0y0y0shi0; @VerrKol; @Kyrastri; and @Olsi;, then we can get this show on the road!

I'm here and confirming. No need to rush things.

I pray to the Old Gods we survive the long night.

Fear not, for your ruler has arrived.

good luck everyone! brb obsessively reading a GoT wiki

Got it

Just @y0y0y0y0shi0; now. Day 1 will end on Tuesday around 11 pm, but it might be a bit later since I'm pretty busy that day. Sorry for any inconvenience that causes.

Woke up, I'm here, not gonna shed a tear, I was going to make this an ongoing rhyme but I'm bad at rhyming so okay bye

You wake up, dreading the grim task before you: to root out those who have infiltrated the Night's Watch at any cost. You stumble into the castle yard, and begin your deliberations. (yeah I'm not the best writer don't expect too much from this)

Day 1 will end at approximately 11 pm EST on Tuesday.

Bloody cold as usual. The usual suspects are all here, I guess since im up early like always I'll start off the voting [Vote]:TheBirds

morrrrrning yall. wont be on till later on today. gotta get supplies for the upcoming meals ahead. anyone want any mutton or rabbit sausage?:shine:

[Vote] Kyrastri

We are men of the Night's Watch, we don't answer to no self pronounced ruler!

[Vote] @Salguod;

If we're searching for wildlings among us, I'm thinking a certain bastard might've let them in. We all know he's overly fond of them. >:(

I'm pineappleing fabulous, peaches.

Let's all hold hands and talk about MAUNCE RAYDUH OF THE NIGHT'S WOTCH's betrayal.

Edit:
My attention span during the night's watch parts was like nonexistent. So my knowledge of the night's watch basically boils down to the memes.

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

Fear not, for your ruler has arrived.

good luck everyone! brb obsessively reading a GoT wiki

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I'm going to try to watch some episodes first if anything :p

[Vote] Verrkol

[Vote] ChaoticCJ

No need to rush? There's an army of 100000 coming!

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Originally Posted by Salguod

[B][Vote] ChaoticCJ[B]

No need to rush? There's an army of 100000 coming!

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Are you suggesting we rush to lynch an intruder without thought or strategy? Because that sounds like a great idea, if only we knew who the intruders were. We all know the situation upon us, but causing a panic will only lead to more confusion and a less than likely victory in rooting out the intruders.

Just woke up and you guys are already trying to toss each other off the wall? We bothers of the wall should be standing together against the oncoming wildlings. Lets not make any hasty decisions we will regret.



Wow its been really silent. You all okay?

I have no idea on GoT terms, so I'm just gonna stop by and say Hi!

Aka: No suspects for now. So, I'll wait until people come in.

would any of you like some stew? i've got plenty to share, hopefully you all like your stew without onions though i ran out

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

[Vote] Kyrastri

We are men of the Night's Watch, we don't answer to no self pronounced ruler!

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Oh, but you are sorely mistaken, for I am a lawful heir, and am thus pronounced by destiny. Great or small we must do our duty.

(I want to type in flavour so bad but there's so much to read qq)

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Originally Posted by Hypermug

I'm going to try to watch some episodes first if anything :p

[Vote] Verrkol

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In times like these brothers need to work together. The darkness is strongest when it divides us. I remember my oath and am certainly no wildling.

PS. I just finished season 3. :f2:

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Originally Posted by Niernen

Just woke up and you guys are already trying to toss each other off the wall? We bothers of the wall should be standing together against the oncoming wildlings. Lets not make any hasty decisions we will regret.



Wow its been really silent. You all okay?

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Was sleeping. Just woke up. I'm literally on the Night's Watch, harr harr (Yes, that was awful).

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

Oh, but you are sorely mistaken, for I am a lawful heir, and am thus pronounced by destiny. Great or small we must do our duty.

(I want to type in flavour so bad but there's so much to read qq)

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If you're a lawful heir you're not part of the Night's Watch because when you take the oath you absolve all of those relationships.

To All: If you have no interest in eventually reading the books and/or watching the show, it may be a good idea to read up some wikis about The Night's Watch or something.

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Originally Posted by TheBirds

would any of you like some stew? i've got plenty to share, hopefully you all like your stew without onions though i ran out

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I guess the last of them slipped through your fingers. That's unfortunate...I was looking forward to some onions thisknight
:/

When people talk about the Night's Watch, they never mention the shoveling.

Since Polantaris is awake for duty ima go rest for the next watch. godspeed brothers

Wait guys what is wrong with us what the pineapple are we doing?
​[vote]Olsi

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Originally Posted by meowmixx

Since Polantaris is awake for duty ima go rest for the next watch. godspeed brothers

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The wall gets especially cold at night...

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

Wait guys what is wrong with us what the pineapple are we doing?
​[vote]Olsi

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Killing some fooking wildlings that's what.

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Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim

When people talk about the Night's Watch, they never mention the shoveling.

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They also don't mention you shouldn't pee outside, its just one of those things that is assumed.

[Vote] meowmixx
​Speak up more, meow. I know you're not like that :)

Forgot that the only way to watch this online was with HBO GO. Reading the Wiki definitely helps, but it does not in any way help me grasp my character's personality better :c

interesting to note both meow and thebirds roleclaimed something to do with the cooks

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Originally Posted by Hypermug

Forgot that the only way to legally watch this online was with HBO GO. Reading the Wiki definitely helps, but it does not in any way help me grasp my character's personality better :c

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Highlighted the keyword there.

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Originally Posted by Olsi

interesting to note both meow and thebirds roleclaimed something to do with the cooks

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Pretty sure I know who @TheBirds; is claiming, and the emphasis is not on cooking. He and @Kyrastri; are likely part of the same faction if I'm reading their claims correctly/they're telling the truth. In fact, I'd be pretty confident to say that TheBirds will gladly give Kyrastri a hand if necessary. I don't think it's anything to point the finger at them, though, at least not at this time. I'm more wary of another of Kyrastri's followers who uses freaky blood magic and scorns our Old Gods. o.O

Good reading on Kyra's character, Mas. I'll remove my vote, for now.
I don't really like that everyone is already name claiming, I'd expect the intruders to have good fake claims so all this does is give them an idea of who has a power.

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

If you're a lawful heir you're not part of the Night's Watch because when you take the oath you absolve all of those relationships.

To All: If you have no interest in eventually reading the books and/or watching the show, it may be a good idea to read up some wikis about The Night's Watch or something.

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I never claimed to be part of this Night Watch, but I can assure you that my influence can extend itself and will be used for the good of your people.

(I'm already reading the wikis but it is kinda difficult to understand this stuff out of context. So... expect blunders with flavour haha :c I'll be even more useless than usual :U)

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Originally Posted by MasPan

Pretty sure I know who TheBirds; is claiming, and the emphasis is not on cooking. He and Kyrastri; are likely part of the same faction if I'm reading their claims correctly/they're telling the truth. In fact, I'd be pretty confident to say that TheBirds will gladly give Kyrastri a hand if necessary. I don't think it's anything to point the finger at them, though, at least not at this time. I'm more wary of another of Kyrastri's followers who uses freaky blood magic and scorns our Old Gods. o.O

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I can assure you that I have no worshipper of the sort that I am aware of.

go team me

EDIT: added size

(I'll be busy with school, well this and the fact that I'm bad with the flavour will probably mean that I won't post as much, but I will try my best :3)

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

I never claimed to be part of this Night Watch, but I can assure you that my influence can extend itself and will be used for the good of your people.

(I'm already reading the wikis but it is kinda difficult to understand this stuff out of context. So... expect blunders with flavour haha :c I'll be even more useless than usual :U)

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I didn't consider that there would be other factions involved, so I made an assumption that you were either Night's Watch or Wildling.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

Pretty sure I know who TheBirds; is claiming, and the emphasis is not on cooking. He and Kyrastri; are likely part of the same faction if I'm reading their claims correctly/they're telling the truth. In fact, I'd be pretty confident to say that TheBirds will gladly give Kyrastri a hand if necessary. I don't think it's anything to point the finger at them, though, at least not at this time. I'm more wary of another of Kyrastri's followers who uses freaky blood magic and scorns our Old Gods. o.O

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Assuming that the blood magic "friend" is here, I doubt they would be anything other than a neutral/townie, unless we have more than the typical Town:Neutral:Mafia dynamic going on. Of course we have no idea what kind of powers they would have, either.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

Highlighted the keyword there.



Pretty sure I know who TheBirds; is claiming, and the emphasis is not on cooking. He and Kyrastri; are likely part of the same faction if I'm reading their claims correctly/they're telling the truth. In fact, I'd be pretty confident to say that TheBirds will gladly give Kyrastri a hand if necessary. I don't think it's anything to point the finger at them, though, at least not at this time. I'm more wary of another of Kyrastri's followers who uses freaky blood magic and scorns our Old Gods. o.O

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Ah everything makes more sense now. I thought you were talking about meow at first and I was so lost last night. (also my post didnt go through Q_Q)
If thats true though that means the game isnt held exactly to how it happened in the books/show so I'll have to remember that. Removing my vote from thebirds now.


As for Melisandre theres a lot of abilities she can have but I dont believe she is anything other than town or MAYBE neutral

Lawful heir but not associated with blood magic and extended influence, maybe Daenerys with her dragons?

Good morning, afternoon.....or evening...
sorry for seeming like i am something that im not. was just trying to say that i was going food shopping lol.
anyway i'll go with my usual day 1 no lynch vote. don't want to blindly kill someone :f2:
[vote] no lynch

A No Lynch benefits absolutely nobody except the mafia - we get no information to draw reads from on Day 2 and lose what is essentially the safest lynch the town will ever have (where even a mis-lynch has a minimal chance of pineappleing us over).

Torn between voting off @Olsi; or @Niernen;. They've both been repeating what other people say and/or agreeing with them without trying to raise any suspicions or voting. Niernen gets my vote since Olsi at least made the first vote of the day, even if it doesn't count for a lot.

[Vote] Niernen

Uh, when exactly did I repeat what others said? We have until Tuesday, and no one had really posted much. Besides voting for the few inactive, I was trying to catch up on lore since I'm not too familiar with the characters. Everyone's spoken up so I was just seeing how the day goes so far some I didn't see a need to rush.

Tbh, the wiki didn't help much :(

Keeping my vote on meow. Voting for no lynch is never a good option in Day 1.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

Tbh, the wiki didn't help much :(

Keeping my vote on meow. Voting for no lynch is never a good option in Day 1.

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It will help with flavor. Some flavor has already been thrown around.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

Lawful heir but not associated with blood magic and extended influence, maybe Daenerys with her dragons?

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I seriously doubt Daenerys is involved in this. It's probably: Night's Watch, Wildlings, and Stannis's people. I can easily think of 15/16 people in those three factions. This is around the Battle at the Wall so Daenerys isn't involved in anything Westeros yet. MAYBE there's an Other or two as a Neutral to mix things up but that's the most I'd expect.

[Vote] LuvDWayULie What's with the random vote against meowmixx after they specifically stated that they were going to bed plus this is practically the most inactive Day 1 I've ever seen as it is?

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

It will help with flavor. Some flavor has already been thrown around.



I seriously doubt Daenerys is involved in this. It's probably: Night's Watch, Wildlings, and Stannis's people. I can easily think of 15/16 people in those three factions. This is around the Battle at the Wall so Daenerys isn't involved in anything Westeros yet. MAYBE there's an Other or two as a Neutral to mix things up but that's the most I'd expect.

[Vote] LuvDWayULie What's with the random vote against meowmixx after they specifically stated that they were going to bed plus this is practically the most inactive Day 1 I've ever seen as it is?

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Noting Polantaris possibly defending @meowmixx; for future reference. I find it odd that, among all of the seemingly random day 1 votes, you zero on Luv's specifically. Especially when he's had the vote there for a while and you've had a post in between the one I'm quoting and Luv's vote. I don't really think a mafian would try to go for a No Lynch on Day 1, but then there are so many random votes out that it might be safer to avoid being the 2nd vote on a townie lynch.

This is all just my initial thoughts on what's going on, though - it's still way too early to interpret everything going on until we have more information, but I tend to die early in games where I'm not a mafian, so I want my thoughts known in case that happens.

@LuvDWayULie; no biggie with ur vote. just dont want to throw "random" votes out and start an unintended bandwagon that *BAM* kills off an important person. you are all my special snowflakes :shine: except for yall wild folk. u need to go

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Originally Posted by MasPan

Noting Polantaris possibly defending meowmixx; for future reference. I find it odd that, among all of the seemingly random day 1 votes, you zero on Luv's specifically. Especially when he's had the vote there for a while and you've had a post in between the one I'm quoting and Luv's vote. I don't really think a mafian would try to go for a No Lynch on Day 1, but then there are so many random votes out that it might be safer to avoid being the 2nd vote on a townie lynch.

This is all just my initial thoughts on what's going on, though - it's still way too early to interpret everything going on until we have more information, but I tend to die early in games where I'm not a mafian, so I want my thoughts known in case that happens.

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Been sitting around waiting to see if activity would pick up since yesterday. It hasn't, so I'm going with a gut feeling towards a post that made little sense to me. I probably should have pointed it out earlier but hindsight is 20/20.

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

It will help with flavor. Some flavor has already been thrown around.



I seriously doubt Daenerys is involved in this. It's probably: Night's Watch, Wildlings, and Stannis's people. I can easily think of 15/16 people in those three factions. This is around the Battle at the Wall so Daenerys isn't involved in anything Westeros yet. MAYBE there's an Other or two as a Neutral to mix things up but that's the most I'd expect.

[Vote] LuvDWayULie What's with the random vote against meowmixx after they specifically stated that they were going to bed plus this is practically the most inactive Day 1 I've ever seen as it is?

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1. I wasn't randomly voting against meowmixx. I really thought he was being inactive than the usual.

2. His next post confirmed my vote against meow. I really don't think voting no lynch is a good idea. If there's someone else more suspicious, I'll definitely vote for that person.

3. Your post looks someone even more suspicious now. I have no idea why you voted for me. Is it because I'm more quiet than usual? Is it because I voted meow? If the former, it's because I'm quite active in my real life now. If the latter, I've already listed my suspicions above. But, for now, I'm thinking it's just a vote to talk.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

3. Your post looks someone even more suspicious now. I have no idea why you voted for me. Is it because I'm more quiet than usual? Is it because I voted meow? If the former, it's because I'm quite active in my real life now. If the latter, I've already listed my suspicions above. But, for now, I'm thinking it's just a vote to talk.

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No. I voted for you because you voted for someone under the guise of inactivity when they posted twice in a cumulative grand total of 20 posts (before your vote post). It makes no sense at all. They had more posts than the vast majority of players. They shared a top post count with MasPan and I believe Niernen, with a whopping two posts. There's plenty of people who hadn't posted more than once at that point. Even now, ChaoticCJ, VerrKol, TheBirds, and MetaSeraphim have all still only posted once. But you're focusing on meowmixx, and why? At what point has this game been something you would consider active? Inactivity is a poor excuse when everyone is inactive.

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Originally Posted by meowmixx

LuvDWayULie; no biggie with ur vote. just dont want to throw "random" votes out and start an unintended bandwagon that *BAM* kills off an important person. you are all my special snowflakes :shine: except for yall wild folk. u need to go

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While I agree that Luv's vote on you before your no lynch vote is pretty suspicious (Polantaris raises a good point about the inactivity argument), I have to agree with Mas in that throwing a random vote is better than voting no lynch- unless this game is incredibly power heavy, which we have yet to have an indication of (or I'm just daft), we have a better grasp of 'information' this way. A town hit will still provide some sort of information about the nature of this game, and a mafia hit will be even better.

Just throwing my two cents right now, I'm going to go back and reread what we've got so far (and consult my wiki-dictionary). It really is a pretty inactive game- we should start calling out 'inactive' folk but I feel like the flavour's hindered the game a little so I'm kinda lost. Maybe the distinction between people who know the flavour and those who don't should be remembered when it comes to this, but really quiet days are detrimental to town overall.

EDIT: Okay I've been doing some vote logging~ If I can't read, tell me and I'll fix any errors up.

vote log

Salguod (1): MasPan
Verrkol (1): HyperMug
ChaoticCJ (1): Salguod
Olsi (1): y0y0y0y0shi0
Meowmixx (1): LuvDWayULie
Niernen (1): Shidoshi
LuvDWayULie (1): Polantaris

No Lynch (1): Meowmixx

The votes I don't 'understand' are against Salguod ( @MasPan;), Verrkol ( @Hypermug;) and ChaoticCJ ( @Salguod;); sorry but do you guys mind elaborating on your votes?

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

The votes I don't 'understand' are against Salguod ( MasPan;), Verrkol ( Hypermug;) and ChaoticCJ ( Salguod;); sorry but do you guys mind elaborating on your votes?

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You understand my vote? :O

With regards to the topic at hand, lynching is obviously favorable for us, as it gives us a free, less destructive chance to try and kill off a mafia quickly.
With that in mind, given last game's day 1, I think it'd be more likely that the mafia would try and pull something weird like getting a day 1 no lynch off. However, that being said, I don't think that's the case here with meow.

As for the inactivity "debate;"

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

Inactivity is a poor excuse when everyone is inactive.

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Why is inactivity an excuse for some yet a conviction for others?

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

While I agree that Luv's vote on you before your no lynch vote is pretty suspicious (Polantaris raises a good point about the inactivity argument), I have to agree with Mas in that throwing a random vote is better than voting no lynch- unless this game is incredibly power heavy, which we have yet to have an indication of (or I'm just daft), we have a better grasp of 'information' this way. A town hit will still provide some sort of information about the nature of this game, and a mafia hit will be even better.

Just throwing my two cents right now, I'm going to go back and reread what we've got so far (and consult my wiki-dictionary). It really is a pretty inactive game- we should start calling out 'inactive' folk but I feel like the flavour's hindered the game a little so I'm kinda lost. Maybe the distinction between people who know the flavour and those who don't should be remembered when it comes to this, but really quiet days are detrimental to town overall.

EDIT: Okay I've been doing some vote logging~ If I can't read, tell me and I'll fix any errors up.

vote log

Salguod (1): MasPan
Verrkol (1): HyperMug
ChaoticCJ (1): Salguod
Olsi (1): y0y0y0y0shi0
Meowmixx (1): LuvDWayULie
Niernen (1): Shidoshi
LuvDWayULie (1): Polantaris

No Lynch (1): Meowmixx

The votes I don't 'understand' are against Salguod ( MasPan;), Verrkol ( Hypermug;) and ChaoticCJ ( Salguod;); sorry but do you guys mind elaborating on your votes?

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My vote is completely random. I'm removing it when I get home.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

As for the inactivity "debate;"
Why is inactivity an excuse for some yet a conviction for others?

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I've always been one who has been against the inactivity lynch on Day 1. I pushed to stop a Day 1 inactivity lynch in the Digital Mafia game. Day 1 Inactivity lynches are usually the worst reason to lynch. When you get further into the game it makes more sense, but on Day 1....not even half way into Day 1, when the person said they were going to sleep....what is that.

Not only that, my point is that Luv called someone out on inactivity when EVERYONE was inactive. Why did he single out meowmixx, someone who was actually more active than most others? It's ridiculous.

That's not to say I support a No Lynch either. I think meowmixx needs to rethink that plan of action. As everyone has pointed out, a No Lynch never helps the town.

ok ill take off the no lynch.

I understand your reasoning going against LuvD's vote on meowmixx, but I don't think that's enough to be suspicious of him. As much as inactive lynching is generally bad D1, lynching LuvD on Day 1 is an "easy lynch" as well.

Who watches the watchmen?

I'm not inactive, just don't have much to say atm.

@Polantaris; While voting off an inactive may not be the best course of action, it is better than a no lynch, and when there is no one too suspicious it just usually fall on the inactives since no one can get a good read on them. So far the game itself hasn't been too active, but I noticed @Verrkol and @Metaseraphim haven't posted too much. (Neither has TheBirds, but people don't seem to call him out on that and he usually finds a way to avoid suspicion when he is inactive). With Meow removing his no lynch (although even if he was mafia he would probably still remove it to avoid suspicion) and some of the rest being random, I think I'll wait a bit longer before casting my vote.

@Kyrastri; With little else to go off of, my vote is almost entirely based on flavor. @Salguod; appears to be softclaiming Jon Snow ("I know nothing" being a reference to Ygritte constantly saying "You know nothing Jon Snow"). In terms of the books, Jon Snow spent a significant amount of time with the Wildlings, having an intimate relationship with one in particular (Ygritte) and betraying some of his vows as a result. If there's any major character that I feel is likely to be a turncoat, godfather, or similar type role, it's him. Whether or not he's a willing participant or a pawn in such a scenario. :/

As a rule, I don't like lynching based on flavour.

Okay, I admit I was being randomly picking on meow. But the first thought was: Why is meow so inactive? And the thing is that, after that, meow voted for no lynch, which made me felt weird, as I would think meow would vote for someone. I did say that in the previous post. I still don't get why are you picking on me, Polantaris.

Sorry, can't type much. I'm in an advising office now so yeah.

Oh just read meow's no lynch retracting. Okay, I'll remove mine against him as well.

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

As a rule, I don't like lynching based on flavour.

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Same. But if I have to make a call on Day 1, it's slightly preferable to being completely random or a No Lynch. I don't like @LuvDWayULie; 's fixation on @meowmixx; - it's a bit out of character for him to push a lynch rather than bandwagon early. He's also being very wishy-washy with his arguments/excuses. Something to keep an eye on.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

Same. But if I have to make a call on Day 1, it's slightly preferable to being completely random or a No Lynch. I don't like LuvDWayULie; 's fixation on meowmixx; - it's a bit out of character for him to push a lynch rather than bandwagon early. He's also being very wishy-washy with his arguments/excuses. Something to keep an eye on.

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Wait what? I'm starting a bandwagon? No no no, that's not my original plan. I'm just trying to say that meow was being suss for voting a no lynch, but since he removed it, I did the same.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

Wait what? I'm starting a bandwagon? No no no, that's not my original plan. I'm just trying to say that meow was being suss for voting a no lynch, but since he removed it, I did the same.

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It's unusual for you to make a vote for someone rather than following someone else's vote is what I was saying. And then fairly aggressively defending said vote with shifting arguments makes it look a bit worse.

My vote was pretty random too. I just picked someone who hasn't posted yet since that seemed to be the thing to do at the start. I can always remove it but for now, it's staying since I see no reason to change it. I will evaluate again before the day ends but I'm not sure how to contribute to Day 1 with so little information.

To Maspan, I wish I was Jon but those are just memorable things from the show I did for flavor.

As a side note, I want to follow up on my Daenerys comment since Polantaris mentioned it. I think Holypie said there might be unexpected people in the game when he was asked about Joffrey and I can see Daenerys being something like Gyarados in the last game, where she takes a while to get to the Wall but can kill someone when she gets here.

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Originally Posted by Niernen

Polantaris; While voting off an inactive may not be the best course of action, it is better than a no lynch, and when there is no one too suspicious it just usually fall on the inactives since no one can get a good read on them. So far the game itself hasn't been too active, but I noticed @Verrkol and @Metaseraphim haven't posted too much. (Neither has TheBirds, but people don't seem to call him out on that and he usually finds a way to avoid suspicion when he is inactive). With Meow removing his no lynch (although even if he was mafia he would probably still remove it to avoid suspicion) and some of the rest being random, I think I'll wait a bit longer before casting my vote.

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If there ends up being absolutely no one who is suspicious, then I'm more for an inactive lynch...but that's almost never the case. Someone always raises suspicions a little in some way.

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

I understand your reasoning going against LuvD's vote on meowmixx, but I don't think that's enough to be suspicious of him. As much as inactive lynching is generally bad D1, lynching LuvD on Day 1 is an "easy lynch" as well.

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That's a good point. I was mostly trying to get things rolling since ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was happening.

I don't think pre-game show references really hold much basis in the game itself; I had no idea what Mas was even talking about with regards to the Jon Snow thing.

I agree with Shidoshi in saying that lynching based on flavour is usually rather poor. However, if roles did match alignments, I could pretty much see Jon Snow being any alignment. Neutral in his time away from the wall but not with the wildlings, mafia in his time with ygritte and the wildlings, town in his time at the wall or as supreme commander person man.

Last game half of the mafia made scarce, usually somewhat trivial comments in the game as town just killed themselves off. If I had to choose someone today, I'd probably want to go for those who are a bit more inactive, especially since this is still the first day.

Luv seems to be doing sort of what Meta did on day 1 last game that caught my eye. Meta was scum, but this isn't the same way Luv was playing last game.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

My vote was pretty random too. I just picked someone who hasn't posted yet since that seemed to be the thing to do at the start. I can always remove it but for now, it's staying since I see no reason to change it. I will evaluate again before the day ends but I'm not sure how to contribute to Day 1 with so little information.

To Maspan, I wish I was Jon but those are just memorable things from the show I did for flavor.

As a side note, I want to follow up on my Daenerys comment since Polantaris mentioned it. I think Holypie said there might be unexpected people in the game when he was asked about Joffrey and I can see Daenerys being something like Gyarados in the last game, where she takes a while to get to the Wall but can kill someone when she gets here.

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I'll keep my vote for now, mostly for lack of better options and convenience, but I'm prepared to remove it if the situation arises. I'd like to see @MetaSeraphim; talking more, he's been allowed to hang back quietly and avoid suspicion too much in the past few games.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

Salguod; appears to be softclaiming Jon Snow ("I know nothing" being a reference to Ygritte constantly saying "You know nothing Jon Snow"). In terms of the books, Jon Snow spent a significant amount of time with the Wildlings, having an intimate relationship with one in particular (Ygritte) and betraying some of his vows as a result. If there's any major character that I feel is likely to be a turncoat, godfather, or similar type role, it's him. Whether or not he's a willing participant or a pawn in such a scenario. :/

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Mance Rayder makes more sense as a godfather to me. He has a history of disguising himself and he did betray the Night's Watch. Flavor wise, John Snow is our Lord Commander and your talk in treasonous :f1:

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Originally Posted by MasPan

I'd like to see MetaSeraphim; talking more, he's been allowed to hang back quietly and avoid suspicion too much in the past few games.

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-shurg- Whether I am townie, mafia or neutral that is my style. Plus I suppose I am lame in the fact that if I don't have a power I don't feel like I am any use and thus don't really feel like playing.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

You are the Night's Watch, and the wildlings have amassed an army lead by none other than Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. This army is now upon you, and the Wall is officially under attack. Mance has sent a small team of elite chiefs to infiltrate the Watch and take it out from the inside, and you as the Watch must find and eliminate these intruders lest they open the gates and let the rest of the wildlings past the Wall.

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^I think it's pretty safe to say MAUNCE RAYDUH is the GF.

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Originally Posted by VerrKol

Mance Rayder makes more sense as a godfather to me. He has a history of disguising himself and he did betray the Night's Watch. Flavor wise, John Snow is our Lord Commander and your talk in treasonous :f1:

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If Mance Rayder sent in an elite group to infiltrate us, the prime suspicion would fall on someone who not only knew the wall inside and out, but had spent time amongst the Wildlings as well. The flavor of the original post implies that Mance himself is not part of the infiltrating squad (and in the books, was indeed not part of the group that went over the wall with Jon). I do agree that he is known for disguising himself, but I don't see him as being part of the invasion from inside.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

You are the swords in the darkness. You are the watchers on the walls. You are the fires that burn against the cold, the lights that bring the dawn, the horns that wake the sleepers, the shields that guard the realms of men. You are the Night's Watch, and the wildlings have amassed an army lead by none other than Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. This army is now upon you, and the Wall is officially under attack. Mance has sent a small team of elite chiefs to infiltrate the Watch and take it out from the inside, and you as the Watch must find and eliminate these intruders lest they open the gates and let the rest of the wildlings past the Wall. You are the realm's last hope, you of the Night's Watch. May the Seven guide you in your cause.

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Key words: has sent. Not "is leading." He is leading an invading force - he can't afford to leave his camp leaderless in the meantime, especially when he's the only thing barely keeping them together.

Then again, the books never had an infiltrating force in the first place...so...
*Shrug*

At any rate, @Salguod; denied the claim as Jon Snow, so it's a moot point atm.

I think you're reading a bit too much into that :P

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

I think you're reading a bit too much into that :P

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You send things away from yourself. If you're with whatever the object/person in question, you're not "sending" them at all. Words mean things :)

With that being said, I could easily see it being "misinformation" on the part of Mance and crew (a wording error on @Holypie;'s part)

Maspan you gotta remember that what i said about it not being exactly like the books/show. I think its characters and doesnt go into that much detail for lack of a better word

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Originally Posted by Olsi

Maspan you gotta remember that what i said about it not being exactly like the books/show. I think its characters and doesnt go into that much detail for lack of a better word

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Agreed. That being said, I'm keying more on word choice than book flavor with that comment. It's still a tangent that I don't think is relevant overall - IF there is a Mance in the game, it's not like he'd roleclaim anyway.

Just to be sure, the Day ends at 11pm in which timezone?

I'm comfortable holding my vote on Niernen. I know most people can throw around the "I suck at D1" excuse, but it's who I feel most at ease voting off.

My vote has been removed from Verrkol. No idea at this point of who to vote for.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

You understand my vote? :O

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... I think I do :c the votes I honed in on were rather votes that I saw as "really random", and from the looks of it most of them were indeed random votes. I saw intent in your vote, and while it's not exactly intent I can explain I can somewhat justify your vote to myself.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

With regards to the topic at hand, lynching is obviously favorable for us, as it gives us a free, less destructive chance to try and kill off a mafia quickly.

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Yep, definitely. Meow's removed her no lynch vote regardless, though so we shouldn't dwell too much on it.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

With that in mind, given last game's day 1, I think it'd be more likely that the mafia would try and pull something weird like getting a day 1 no lynch off. However, that being said, I don't think that's the case here with meow.

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How is getting a day 1 no lynch particularly weird? They have to put up a really strong argument to pull it off, and we can look for those who supported it and voted no lynch and those who supported it but didn't vote no lynch (the most suspicious of all).

With mafia-behaviour predictions: given the state of the game I think it's likely that the mafia might try to pull a lot of diverting 'fluff' talk about the game in later days. I can see it easily become an issue, but I'm willing to 'excuse' it today since Day 1 is always iffy.

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

I understand your reasoning going against LuvD's vote on meowmixx, but I don't think that's enough to be suspicious of him. As much as inactive lynching is generally bad D1, lynching LuvD on Day 1 is an "easy lynch" as well.

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I don't know, for such an "easy lynch" Luv has yet to be killed D1. We shouldn't be afraid to be suspicious of him just because he's considered an easy lynch- I can't help but feel like that was exactly what Niernen was trying to discourage us of last game.
@Salguod; I figured as much, but I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't intent that I had missed behind the vote :)

That said, while Luv's arguments are pretty wishy-washy, I doubt he's mafia- the other mafia members would be trying to keep him in check, unless they're trying to pull a bus-luv-to-divert-attention kinda thing again. Which doesn't even make sense in this context as nobody's gotten a second vote yet.

Though it was random at the time, I'm growing a little more suspicious of @ChaoticCJ; as time goes by because his only post has been to defend himself when I threw that vote out there.

@MetaSeraphim; may be another solid candidate because of his stated disinterest in the game. Whether it's just an excuse to lay low or if he's actually just not interested, he should be a safe enough lynch if it comes to that.

And Luv would be a possible third candidate.

In theory, it'd make sense to vote off inactive folks, but it's hard for me to be gung-ho about that because last game pretty much every inactive ended up being a townsperson :/

I guess it won't matter if they aren't contributing anyway.

I dont like meow voting for no lynch with a shotty reason then removing the no lynch vote after being called out on it, and without saying anything else to boot. The day one no lynch votes are notorious for not working and getting people to talk about how its bad for town so im not sure what meow was thinking

would it have been better if i would have not voted at all and just said some useless banter? i couldnt even if i wanted to...i have literally nothing lighthearted or funny to say sadly :(

[Vote]: @Olsi;

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becuz reasonz

@VerrKol; Care to share?

So far it looks like Luv and Meow became suspicious from the whole no lynch things. Meow dropped it fast when people became suspicious, but its probably that either side would do that. Luv's reasoning for lynching mewo wasn't that great, but lynching someone that wants a no lynch is a valid strategy.

For Meta's vanilla townie, I'll assume that this is not a power heavy game (although I have no idea). If he is a vanilla townie, we gain nothing by lynching him, and will just waste a day. It is also possible that he claimed it so people wouldn't be too suspicious of him. He has been a little quite this game, but it has been a quite game overall. For now I will leave him alone.

ChaoticCJ has only spoken to defend himself, and Thebirds has only posted flavor. Seeing how thebirds always gets away with being silent, [Vote] Thebirds. I'll remove it if they speak up more (not just flavor, they usually have some good points or insights), or something else changes.

So, again, I'm suspicious for being different from the others. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Niernen

So far it looks like Luv and Meow became suspicious from the whole no lynch things. Meow dropped it fast when people became suspicious, but its probably that either side would do that. Luv's reasoning for lynching mewo wasn't that great, but lynching someone that wants a no lynch is a valid strategy.

ChaoticCJ has only spoken to defend himself, and Thebirds has only posted flavor. Seeing how thebirds always gets away with being silent, [Vote] Thebirds. I'll remove it if they speak up more (not just flavor, they usually have some good points or insights), or something else changes.

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The only problem with this theory for Luv is that Luv didn't vote for meowmixx because meowmixx was doing a No Lynch. He voted for meowmixx exclusively under the pretense of inactivity. Meowmixx later voted for a no lynch.

TheBirds is infamous for being inactive...but I must agree. We shouldn't let them do it again this game. I don't know why we let him get away with it every game (although, to be fair, I was dead by Day 3 last game, so I couldn't do anything about it). That being said I'm still not a big fan of an inactivity Day 1 lynch, but I'm not really sure what else to do. The only person I'm suspicious of for a reason other than inactivity is Luv right now, and I must admit that could have just been an honest mistake. Then again I bought it last game and it bit us in the ass. Then again again, meta-gaming 2 stronk.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

So, again, I'm suspicious for being different from the others. Oh well.

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No, you're suspicious for making a bad vote and poorly backing it up. We've all done it before.

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Originally Posted by VerrKol

[Vote]: Olsi;

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becuz reasonz

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Lmao my god, you all really don't like Olsi eh?

I'm inclined to follow VerrKol's vote on Olsi for reasons I already stated, if anything to get at least one person with more than 1 vote.

[Vote] Olsi

Seriously? Verrkol literally gave no reason and your previously stated reason for voting on niernen or me or a little silly since many people have posted one post fluff. also with your vote i have three votes on me for extremely weak or absolutely no reason