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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
65% + 10% when Judgement is active and +20% with Sharp Eyes.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
I like the look of those numbers given the unstated advantages i mentioned a page ago that aren't reflected in %/s. DBs aren't so bad now, whoopee.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
If you consider a party scenario, Dual Blades likely take the lead with their higher hits per second to damage cap, and if they can't damage cap, everyoneelse's defense reduction lets them hit closer to their 0% Defense which is higher than the others, disregarding OP Assassinate.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
Blade Master:
Missed that Final Cut had its duration buffed as well. Fixed a typo where Bloody Storm combo was using old Final Cut bonus.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
Joe, for Assassinate's last hit what delay did you give it?
I know that the posted 4th hit delay is +390ms in here but since Assassinate's delay got decreased in Justice did you assume that the last hit still has the same delay as Pre-Justice? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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nRxUs
Joe, for Assassinate's last hit what delay did you give it?
I know that the posted 4th hit delay is +390ms in
here but since Assassinate's delay got decreased in Justice did you assume that the last hit still has the same delay as Pre-Justice? Thanks in advance.
I gave it 390ms, but I the delay in the data was actually increased to 720ms for the final hit, though I have no idea if this is valid or not in this case.
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Don't know where else to put this, but I felt like sharing. Here's a table of the best combos to use with certain effective ranges (made to be Basil-friendly). @nRxUs; did all the calculations.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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MrTouchnGo
Don't know where else to put this, but I felt like sharing.
Here's a table of the best combos to use with certain effective ranges (made to be Basil-friendly). @
nRxUs; did all the calculations.
So, ME not being available would be something like HT?
Also did you factor in damage cap?
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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Raul
So, ME not being available would be something like HT?
Also did you factor in damage cap?
Given the whole point of that chart is to factor in damage cap, im pretty sure he did.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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Rains
Given the whole point of that chart is to factor in damage cap, im pretty sure he did.
*shrugs*
He could have forgotten about it.
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Raul
*shrugs*
He could have forgotten about it.
I did factor Damage Cap, or else B-Step+CE+Nate+DS would have been the main attack all the time lol xD
Anyway all the numbers are rounded up to the nearest 1k range and the way Damage Cap is "factored in" is not exactly perfect but is good enough IMO.
Pretty much if your minimum range * %Skill>999,999 then the real %Skill is going to be 999,999/(min range). Is a fairly simplistic way to look at it but t works.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
Added hits/s and Tempest of Card. pineappleing monstrous %/s and hits/s.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
Joe, for Shadower's %DPS table I just noticed that the numbers are the same (or extremely similar) with or without Sharp Eyes. Is there a reason for this?
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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Originally Posted by
nRxUs
Joe, for Shadower's %DPS table I just noticed that the numbers are the same (or extremely similar) with or without Sharp Eyes. Is there a reason for this?
K fixed it.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
The hits/s for shadowers seems borked.
I feel like for 2 target you shouldn't be hitting the exact same h/s with assassinate and without it.
In fact the only thing that seems to be different is the 1v1.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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Raul
The hits/s for shadowers seems borked.
I feel like for 2 target you shouldn't be hitting the exact same h/s with assassinate and without it.
In fact the only thing that seems to be different is the 1v1.
K I've updated that, along with Assassinate's final hit's speed to 720ms as reflected in the data. It previously was only using Assassinate for single target, but since there was a table for "No Assassinate" that was redundant. I also forgot to add the hits from Boomerang Step for Edge Carnival. Venom is counted as 1 hit per second, as are all DoTs, for every character by the way.
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JoeTang
K I've updated that, along with Assassinate's final hit's speed to 720ms as reflected in the data. It previously was only using Assassinate for single target, but since there was a table for "No Assassinate" that was redundant. I also forgot to add the hits from Boomerang Step for Edge Carnival. Venom is counted as 1 hit per second, as are all DoTs, for every character by the way.
Venom 2.0 in 4th job is 3 hits per second at 160%.
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Raul
Venom 2.0 in 4th job is 3 hits per second at 160%.
You could add all the DoTs in the entire game and they would still only be one hit per second.
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JoeTang
You could add all the DoTs in the entire game and they would still only be one hit per second.
I'm not sure I understand this. When I've seen Fatal Venom stack in videos, it literally pops 3 numbers every second. Is there something preventing this from reaching 3*999999? As I understand it, the whole point of calculating hits/s is to find out how much damage a class could do while hitting the damage cap every time.
Also when you calculate Shadowers' hits/s for 1v1, are you using only Edge Carnival or only Edge Carnival + Meso Explosion (when you're not buffing)? Your DB numbers are higher than the ones I'm getting and your Shadower numbers are lower. The DB thing could be due to my disregarding Fatal Venom, but it doesn't make sense that you include Fatal Venom for Shadowers and still get significantly lower hits/s.
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Re: Thief %/s (Justice Shadower, Night Lord, Blade Master, and Phantom)
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inemnitable
I'm not sure I understand this. When I've seen Fatal Venom stack in videos, it literally pops 3 numbers every second. Is there something preventing this from reaching 3*999999? As I understand it, the whole point of calculating hits/s is to find out how much damage a class could do while hitting the damage cap every time.
It seems I was mistaken on how Fatal Venom stacks. The whole point of calculating hits per second is to find out how much damage these particular combinations would do if they hit damage cap on every attack. I haven't tried to optimize hits per second for any character, not have I ever claimed to.
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inemnitable
Also when you calculate Shadowers' hits/s for 1v1, are you using only Edge Carnival or only Edge Carnival + Meso Explosion (when you're not buffing)? Your DB numbers are higher than the ones I'm getting and your Shadower numbers are lower. The DB thing could be due to my disregarding Fatal Venom, but it doesn't make sense that you include Fatal Venom for Shadowers and still get significantly lower hits/s.
All attacks use Boomerang Step, and then Edge Carnival/Muspelheim, with Assassinate if listed, and with Meso Explosion at a set timeframe. That's why hits per second is significantly lower than pure Edge Carnival which is around 20.5hits/s + 3hits/s from Fatal Venom.
It's really difficult to understand how my numbers are different than your numbers and could be wrong if you don't tell me what your numbers are though. You might want to consider how that would impact the validity of any claim you are making before you try to make it.
The optimal Phantom Blow hits per second is 20 + 3.
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