A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS

W E W O N B O Y S

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Originally Posted by Olsi

W E W O N B O Y S

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lustboy pls

yay well played guys :3

Roles

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Originally Posted by TheBirds

You are Three-Finger Hobb, the main cook for the Night’s Watch. You can make some amazing stew, and once every odd-numbered night you may send me a PM containing [Give Stew to] Target to give them some stew. Your target will be so preoccupied with eating your delicious stew that they won’t do anything else for the rest of the night. If by some means you acquire an onion, you can make even more stew and give out stew every night. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

You are King Stannis “The Mannis” Baratheon, one of several kings fighting for the Iron Throne. You and your trusted Hand Ser Davos have just arrived from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to save the Wall from the wildlings. If your Hand dies you will commit suicide out of grief but you can kill a person of your choosing upon your death. You may choose your target by sending me a PM containing [Revenge Kill] Target. This kill will happen next morning but will count as part of the previous day phase. You may NOT communicate with your Hand outside of the game thread. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Hypermug

You are Lord Davos Seaworth, the Onion Knight, Lord of the Rainwood, and Hand to King Stannis. You have just arrived with your king from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to save the Wall from the wildlings. If your king dies then you will commit suicide out of grief for the king to whom you have dedicated your life. You can also use your experience as a smuggler to give one player an onion each night by sending me a PM containing [Give Onion to] Target. This action cannot be stopped. You may NOT communicate with your King outside of the game thread. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

You are Varamyr Sixskins, a powerful warg and a leader of the free folk. You ride into battle on the back of a snow bear, while also controlling three wolves and a shadowcat. You have recently acquired an eagle which you can use for scouting, and each night you may send me a PM containing [Scout] Target to determine if they performed any night actions. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Pyp.

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Originally Posted by Niernen

You are Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. You are leading the free folk on an attack on the Wall because you know it’s their only hope of surviving through the winter before the Others arrive. You have great knowledge of the Night’s Watch having been a member before, and you will appear as a brother of the Night’s Watch when investigated. Additionally, you may assassinate one person each night by sending me a PM containing [Kill] Target. Should you die, one of your lieutenants will be able to perform the kill. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Othell Yarwyck.

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Originally Posted by VerrKol

You are Donal Noye, the one-armed blacksmith of Castle Black. You forged a new suit of armour and you can give it to another player. The armour prevents them from being killed once. You only have one suit of armour, and you cannot give it to yourself. To give the suit of armour send me a PM at night containing [Armour] Target. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

You are a White Walker, sometimes called an Other. After 8000 years you are finally taking back the land that was yours before the First Men and the Children of the Forest fought you off and put up that pesky Wall. Your speed and ice sword give you an incredible advantage in battle, and you cannot be killed by normal means. You can survive one attempt on your life each phase before the humans learn of your weaknesses and begin using dragonglass weapons. If you are discovered by the servants of the Red God they will expose your weakness immediately and your protection will be lost. You can fight back though, and once a night you may send me a PM containing [Resurrect] Target to bring a dead player back to life as a wight. You may only resurrect the same person once. Every three wights you raise increases the weight of your vote by one and you start the game with two wights under your control. If your vote counts for more than half of the votes on the day’s lynch, that lynch victim is immediately brought back as a wight. Your vote cannot count for more than three, and you cannot have the majority vote by yourself. You win if you are alive when the number of wights is greater than the number of living humans left in the game.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

You are Tormund Giantsbane, a chief of the free folk. You are loud and boisterous, but a fearsome fighter. You have many titles and stories to go with them, including Tall-talker, Horn-blower and Breaker of Ice, Husband to Bears, the Mead-king of Ruddy Hall, Speaker to Gods and Father of Hosts. Once in the game you may PM me with [Strong Kill] Target to kill someone regardless of any protection. This can be done in addition to the free folk’s normal kill. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Bowen Marsh.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCJ

You are Eddison “Dolorous Edd” Tollett, a brother of the Night’s Watch. You have no special abilities (other than being the snarkiest person this side of Moat Cailin) but you can still defend the Wall with your voice and your vote. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

You are Styr, the Magnar of Thenn. Your people consider you more of a god than a man, and you command absolute loyalty from them. Your technology and civilization is more advanced than the rest of the free folk, producing bronze weapons and armour rather than raiding for equipment, but there have been some strange rumours about the Thenns being cannibals? You have no idea where that started, because the only cannibals amongst the free folk are the Ice-River clans. You win when all of the “kneelers” are dead and you can pass safely beyond the Wall.
You may safeclaim as Satin.

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

You are Samwell “The Slayer” Tarly, a brother of the Night’s. Your father hates you and you’re a self-proclaimed craven, but somehow you were the first person in thousands of years to have killed an Other. You don’t like fighting, but you’re clever and perceptive and each night you can send me a PM containing [Quiz] Target to see if they know the words of the Night’s Watch oath. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

You are Maester Aemon, the resident maester of Castle Black. You were once the heir to the throne but you took the black to let your brother Aegon rule instead. You learned a great many things forging your chain at the Citadel, but recently your knowledge of healing has been especially handy. At night you may send me a PM containing [Heal] Target to prevent your patient from dying that night, but due to your advanced age you can only heal people on odd-numbered nights. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Olsi

You are Clydas, a brother of the Night’s Watch. You are a steward who aids Maester Aemon and tends to the ravens. If Maester Aemon dies you will take over his duties attending to the wounded. In this event, you may send me a PM at night containing [Heal] Target and the target be protected from dying that night, though you can only do this for three nights due to limited supplies. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by meowmixx

You are Melisandre of Asshai, a priestess of R’hllor. You see visions in the flames shown to you by R’hllor, which you can use to help your king Stannis, Azor Ahai come again. Each night you may send me a PM containing [Pray for a glimpse of] Target to attempt to see that person in your fires. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim

You are Grenn, a brother of the Night’s Watch. You have no special abilities but you can still defend the Wall with your voice and your vote. You win when all threats to the realm are eliminated.

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Just a few thoughts, mafia was basically screwed once Kyra landed her kill. When MasPan died, he was out of armour, hit by a strong kill, AND investigated by meow (Melisandre) who would have removed all of his armour if he had any left by then. Tormund and Melisandre were basically their respective faction's ways of dealing with the White Walker. I balanced Shidoshi's odd night saves with a 3 shot backup doctor (nurse) and a one shot armoursmith (like a gunsmith but for bulletproofness). Turns out that never came into play because Shidoshi never died and VerrKol died before he gave his armour. Originally on the first night he was going to armour Polantaris but I reminded him that he can't move the armour around, so he retracted that action. IDK if that was influencing the game, but I don't really think so since (I rightly believed) he was making an uniformed decision. I'm sad that MasPan died, if he won I would have started the flavour post with three horn blasts and it would have been epic. Hmmm, what else? Oh yeah, Polantaris wouldn't have seen Melisandre, Stannis, or Davos as Night's Watch but I was considering allowing Melisandre to see the other two if Davos gave her an onion, but that never happened either. Then there would be like two complementary cops. Davos' ability was mainly for fun, but it also provides a mod-confirmable action since people are notified of them being onioned. Basically it's like a role-confirm, since nobody else gave information to who they targeted other than armour (even then I could have kept that quiet). Because of flavour reasons I told y0shi that he should use dragonglass the next time he tried to kill Mas (as mentioned in Mas' role PM) but in retrospect that was probably way too obvious and I should have kept it as an ambiguous no-death night, only telling Mas that he's down an armour for the night phase.

pineappleing told you all.

Hoo-ha! Caught on Niernen Day 1, nailed LuvD's coffin Day 2, left Mas up to the mafia on Day 3, nailed Salguod Day 4 and y0shi0 Day 5 :D

Good job town!

Edit: with full info, back-up doctor was rather unnecessary imo. 3-shot meant almost for the whole game too, even if I died Night 1 he'd get Night 2-4 and would have been actually better than Aemon himself since he could Heal every night.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

Because of flavour reasons I told y0shi that he should use dragonglass the next time he tried to kill Mas (as mentioned in Mas' role PM) but in retrospect that was probably way too obvious and I should have kept it as an ambiguous no-death night, only telling Mas that he's down an armour for the night phase.

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Yes. But y'know, hindsight is 20/20. I generally like the rule "the less information given the better." If Mas' role were any different, telling him that he was attacked would probably have been too much information as well imo.

But yeah I was 99% sure that we were completely pineappleed as soon as Kyra landed her kill. But I wanted to at least try and go out doing something insanely stupid and terrible.

I knew Niernen and Luv would both be pegged as super scummy from like the first 5 minutes of day 1 and I wanted to try and take some attention off of them without really telling them what to do, so I took a risk in drawing attention to myself early on, but as soon as they both died I was just like well pineapple

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Originally Posted by MasPan

pineappleing told you all.

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It was hard to make a vote on him despite his obvious bullcrap. However mafia did mess up a bit.

As a note i was the nurse.

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Originally Posted by Olsi

It was hard to make a vote on him despite his obvious bullcrap. However mafia did mess up a bit.

As a note i was the nurse.

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As soon as I started pineappleing up royally I pretty much banked on that fact, lool.

I was an awesome doctor too, missed all my saves. But I guess I made up on my Day play.
@Polantaris; and @Olsi; sorry for going after fellow Brothers of the Night's Watch, it's part of playing aggressively to generate more discussion and information to determine alignments.

I had loads of fun this game, playing aggressively like this is how I like to play :D

Well, we lost, and we totally expected that haha.

Technically, the mafias this time weren't communicating as much as last time. (Mas, Meta and Kyra literally spammed my Skype messages hahahahaha, well, I did too).

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

Hoo-ha! Caught on Niernen Day 1, nailed LuvD's coffin Day 2, left Mas up to the mafia on Day 3, nailed Salguod Day 4 and y0shi0 Day 5 :D

Good job town!

Edit: with full info, back-up doctor was rather unnecessary imo. 3-shot meant almost for the whole game too, even if I died Night 1 he'd get Night 2-4 and would have been actually better than Aemon himself since he could Heal every night.

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Yeah I was actually going to make it a formula based on the night he gets his powers, but I forgot to do that until after I sent out the PM so whoops.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

Yes. But y'know, hindsight is 20/20. I generally like the rule "the less information given the better." If Mas' role were any different, telling him that he was attacked would probably have been too much information as well imo.

But yeah I was 99% sure that we were completely pineappleed as soon as Kyra landed her kill. But I wanted to at least try and go out doing something insanely stupid and terrible.

I knew Niernen and Luv would both be pegged as super scummy from like the first 5 minutes of day 1 and I wanted to try and take some attention off of them without really telling them what to do, so I took a risk in drawing attention to myself early on, but as soon as they both died I was just like well pineapple

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Yeah I told him as if he were a bulletproof, so he knows that his armour was used and he's now vulnerable. If it was a doctor save I wouldn't say anything.

Edit: Doctor is hard, Shidoshi. I think I've made like one or two saves of all the times I was doctor and it wasn't a follow the cop scenario.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

Oh yeah, Polantaris wouldn't have seen Melisandre, Stannis, or Davos as Night's Watch

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I figured as much. That's half the reason I revealed on the last day, and didn't bother looking into meowmixx. I wasn't sure if they were telling the truth but there was no way for me to determine that because they were never part of the Night's Watch and therefore wouldn't know the vows.

To be honest, I wasn't completely against y0shi, although the raven call and such was suspicious, but I didn't say anything at all in relation to that because I didn't want to have to push myself into revealing who I was. I think that one of the biggest problems our investigators have on Southperry mafia games is revealing too early, and I wanted to make sure I didn't do that. So while y0shi was suspicious, I left it alone in hopes that everyone else would figure it out without me. I think that's what set off Shidoshi's vote against me in the next day, but there wasn't really much I could do about that besides play normally.

@LuvDWayULie; No hard feelings, right? I know I pushed on you a little hard, but I needed to make a strong case against you since everyone was so adverse to lynching you, and that whole spheal just seemed really scummy to me.

I think the game ended up great. MasPan was a great Neutral, and overall the powers didn't seem outlandish really. Props to you, Holypie.

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Originally Posted by Shidoshi

Polantaris; and Olsi; sorry for going after fellow Brothers of the Night's Watch, it's part of playing aggressively to generate more discussion and information to determine alignments.

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No big deal. As I mentioned above, I wasn't all that active on the third day due to the y0shi discussion so I can see why you were suspicious of me.

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

I figured as much. That's half the reason I revealed on the last day, and didn't bother looking into meowmixx. I wasn't sure if they were telling the truth but there was no way for me to determine that because they were never part of the Night's Watch and therefore wouldn't know the vows.

To be honest, I wasn't completely against y0shi, although the raven call and such was suspicious, but I didn't say anything at all in relation to that because I didn't want to have to push myself into revealing who I was. I think that one of the biggest problems our investigators have on Southperry mafia games is revealing too early, and I wanted to make sure I didn't do that. So while y0shi was suspicious, I left it alone in hopes that everyone else would figure it out without me. I think that's what set off Shidoshi's vote against me in the next day, but there wasn't really much I could do about that besides play normally.

LuvDWayULie; No hard feelings, right? I know I pushed on you a little hard, but I needed to make a strong case against you since everyone was so adverse to lynching you, and that whole spheal just seemed really scummy to me.

I think the game ended up great. MasPan was a great Neutral, and overall the powers didn't seem outlandish really. Props to you, Holypie.



No big deal. As I mentioned above, I wasn't all that active on the third day due to the y0shi discussion so I can see why you were suspicious of me.

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Nah, I expected it. But what I said was really 90% true lol.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

Nah, I expected it. But what I said was really 90% true lol.

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Yeah I was talking with Shidoshi about this, the half true role claims aren't great, since mafia powers don't usually make sense in the context of a town role. That's why you and Salguod got lynched soon after your claims, while y0shi survived longer despite being 100% BS.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

Yeah I was talking with Shidoshi about this, the half true role claims aren't great, since mafia powers don't usually make sense in the context of a town role. That's why you and Salguod got lynched soon after your claims, while y0shi survived longer despite being 100% BS.

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The "yoshi0 vs Mas" drama probably helped him too, though it shouldn't have. People essentially completely disregarded my arguments under the context of "don't trust the neutral" even after I was dead.

I never really stopped having suspicions of y0shi0, but on other days we had targets that were more surely mafia. With time his intentions became more clear by looking at his past votes and opinions in light of the roles and alignments flipped.

It doesn't help the day to have too many lynch options, it's better to focus on one at a time and leave your other suspicions to play care free so they can slip up some more.

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Originally Posted by LuvDWayULie

Nah, I expected it. But what I said was really 90% true lol.

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I know, I just don't want you to think it was something personal or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by MasPan

The "yoshi0 vs Mas" drama probably helped him too, though it shouldn't have. People essentially completely disregarded my arguments under the context of "don't trust the neutral" even after I was dead.

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I think it was more what Shidoshi said. I didn't ignore what you said, but the same night I got a mafia result on my investigation on Salguod so I didn't really have any reason to bring anything you said up, since y0shi wasn't a factor. Afterward, it didn't matter because y0shi was the only person left that could have been mafia with my correct assumption of no tailor.

I considered claiming as other roles, but Polantaris was obvious as the cop by then and everything I thought of seemed just as weak.

My biggest regret was not using my ability on Polantaris Night 3 when he's been giving off a strong cop vibe since Day 2. Which was interesting since he didn't even investigate Luv. I liked the way his power was limited. That and Mas's power were really cool designs. By the way, how many days did Mas need to survive to win?

Wondering why @y0y0y0y0shi0; went after CJ over Polantaris, but I suppose even if he got that kill, he wouldn't be able to get through all the protections anyway.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

I considered claiming as other roles, but Polantaris was obvious as the cop by then and everything I thought of seemed just as weak.

My biggest regret was not using my ability on Polantaris Night 3 when he's been giving off a strong cop vibe since Day 2. Which was interesting since he didn't even investigate Luv. I liked the way his power was limited. That and Mas's power were really cool designs. By the way, how many days did Mas need to survive to win?

Wondering why y0y0y0y0shi0; went after CJ over Polantaris, but I suppose even if he got that kill, he wouldn't be able to get through all the protections anyway.

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I don't think Polantaris really needed much to convict Luv this game. The lack of mafia communication meant that there was less deliberation in mafia posts, which probably hurt Luv the most out of you guys. The unnatural push was already suss, but I guess it did save him from my revenge kill, since I played under the assumption that the mafia would be communicating nearly as often as the Pokemafia did. That meant that I assumed that Luv's posts would be "monitored" by the mafia, as we often checked each other's posts for inconsistencies. Or I did, anyway.

Polantaris is gifted as a cop, coupled with his day play... OP nerf pls

I really liked Shidoshi's aggressive play, also the first time I've seen him live past day 1 :T

Is anyone hosting a game next, or have we burned out? I recall seeing meta's name on the queue, so I'm not quite sure :U

one day I will make a Harry potter mafia, and it will be awesome.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

I considered claiming as other roles, but Polantaris was obvious as the cop by then and everything I thought of seemed just as weak.

My biggest regret was not using my ability on Polantaris Night 3 when he's been giving off a strong cop vibe since Day 2. Which was interesting since he didn't even investigate Luv. I liked the way his power was limited. That and Mas's power were really cool designs. By the way, how many days did Mas need to survive to win?

Wondering why y0y0y0y0shi0; went after CJ over Polantaris, but I suppose even if he got that kill, he wouldn't be able to get through all the protections anyway.

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Weak, numerous roles are what I was aiming for with this game. Basically every power role had some caveat. As for the MasPan question, it would vary a lot depending on how many deaths there were. For example the 4 death day 2 really sped up his victory. But yeah I think he would have won around day 4/5ish?

I didn't kill Polantaris because by that point I wasn't sure they were a cop, or that there even was a cop. I had assumed that they would've investigated me or cast a bit more suspicion my way if they were a cop after I had claimed to be one. When they didn't, and nobody else did, I assumed it was safer to do otherwise. CJ was the easiest kill basically for what Olsi said at the start of the day. It may have been a mistake but I think I stand by it still. Polantaris played it...unexpectedly.

As for the communication thing, I wasn't going to treat people like a puppet on a string. I didn't want to use them as a pawn and control their actions. I knew Niernen and Luv were being extremely scummy so I tried to take it upon myself to divert attention, albeit poorly. It sounded like you guys were just using Luv and I ain't about that. If people are to get better they do so on their own terms. I'm still learning forum mafia myself, even.
Plus I was busy a lot and didn't exactly have the time to try and solve all the problems.

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

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Oh what, that was happening? I had my suspicions but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of not cool, since there was info in the dead group that might have given an advantage. Plus if you're dead you shouldn't have any hand in the game. This is kind of why I wanted a forum group for the mafia so I could monitor the happenings.

Oh, nobody commented about Jon not being in the game.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

As for the communication thing, I wasn't going to treat people like a puppet on a string. I didn't want to use them as a pawn and control their actions. I knew Niernen and Luv were being extremely scummy so I tried to take it upon myself to divert attention, albeit poorly. It sounded like you guys were just using Luv and I ain't about that. If people are to get better they do so on their own terms. I'm still learning forum mafia myself, even.
Plus I was busy a lot and didn't exactly have the time to try and solve all the problems.

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

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To be fair, we didn't really push him to say certain things*, it was mainly censoring stuff that would have given other mafiosos unnecessary attention and potential claims. He quoted niernen from the digital mafia game in response to one of my posts during the first days of Pokemafia, for example, which quite literally threw a spotlight on my head. I believe that getting better shouldn't be at the expense of other player's enjoyment with the game. Luv's got a characteristic of being chaotic in games, which can be useful to all sides depending on what alignment he is.

edit: actually, I can see what you meant by your point here (multi-edits GOGO) For the most part we didn't force his hand. We did (somewhat) thoroughly discuss each post (mainly me going "is this an ok defense"), and checked claims to try and poke holes in them. A lot of my edits were clarity/censorship, after all.

There should probably be a rule about it, since I was iffy with it on pokemafia, but I guess I justified it by there being no additional information that can be gleaned than what the other mafiosos would have had anyway (which still isn't perfect, but still). Post-death discussion definitely should not have occurred this game as there was a dead forum discussing stuff that definitely had the potential to alter the game. I mentioned it on the first page in the ghost chat but it's definitely an honour system so we can't guarantee much. :p

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Originally Posted by Holypie

Oh what, that was happening? I had my suspicions but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of not cool, since there was info in the dead group that might have given an advantage. Plus if you're dead you shouldn't have any hand in the game. This is kind of why I wanted a forum group for the mafia so I could monitor the happenings.

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It just needs to be made clear in the rules.
I believe the only reason the mafia kept talking after they died is because nobody told them they shouldn't.
If people want to cheat they can get around the forum group, too, by using PMs or Skype or whatever.

Also, keep in mind that Southperry moderators can see the contents of forum groups. In this case it didn't matter because Hypermug died Night 1, but if any future games include a SP mod, don't tempt them.

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Originally Posted by Salguod

I considered claiming as other roles, but Polantaris was obvious as the cop by then and everything I thought of seemed just as weak.

My biggest regret was not using my ability on Polantaris Night 3 when he's been giving off a strong cop vibe since Day 2. Which was interesting since he didn't even investigate Luv. I liked the way his power was limited. That and Mas's power were really cool designs. By the way, how many days did Mas need to survive to win?

Wondering why y0y0y0y0shi0; went after CJ over Polantaris, but I suppose even if he got that kill, he wouldn't be able to get through all the protections anyway.

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I'm surprised you were certain that I was the cop, certainly none of the other mafia members were or I would have been dead by then for sure.

I was almost certain that Luv was going to be lynched at some point. My game as the cop was to investigate people that were off the radar or not really the focus of attention. The only exception there was Shidoshi, who just played so unexpectedly on Day 1 that it had to be done. I rarely saw any posts from you which is why you were Night 3's target.

I did expect to die on Night 4 though. I called you out out of no where and basically got you lynched on very little, I expected it to be too obvious, but I didn't want to divide attention away from you by calling out y0shi's roleclaim either, since you were pretty under the radar to me.

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

I don't think Polantaris really needed much to convict Luv this game.

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I really didn't. It was just a matter of putting everything together in one place and calling, "wtp!" No offense Luv =X.

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Originally Posted by Kyrastri

Polantaris is gifted as a cop, coupled with his day play... OP nerf pls

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Why thank you.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

Also I don't really approve of the whole "mafia communicating after they're dead" thing. :/

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Yeah, I guess it needs to be put in the rules but I had always assumed it was self explanatory - Once you're dead, you can't participate in the game in any way anymore.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

Oh, nobody commented about Jon not being in the game.

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I didn't check the survivor's names, so it never really occurred to me that he was never in at all. I was actually wondering if there was going to be some weird Jon/Ygrette duo going on where maybe Ygrette was able to force Jon to switch sides or something. That would have been interesting.

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Originally Posted by Holypie

Oh what, that was happening? I had my suspicions but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. That's kind of not cool, since there was info in the dead group that might have given an advantage. Plus if you're dead you shouldn't have any hand in the game. This is kind of why I wanted a forum group for the mafia so I could monitor the happenings.

Oh, nobody commented about Jon not being in the game.

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I pretty much ignored anything they said (it wasn't very much to begin with). But Luv said they did it very very heavily in Pokemafia.

Like I said though, nothing was said that could've compromised the game, and very little was actually said anyway.

Yea yoshi still SUCKED. Polantaris played really well this game kudos to him.

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Originally Posted by Olsi

Yea yoshi still SUCKED. Polantaris played really well this game kudos to him.

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Fight me 1v1 irc mafia scrubzilla

/* go kiss that girl noob */

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Originally Posted by SaptaZapta

It just needs to be made clear in the rules.
I believe the only reason the mafia kept talking after they died is because nobody told them they shouldn't.
If people want to cheat they can get around the forum group, too, by using PMs or Skype or whatever.

Also, keep in mind that Southperry moderators can see the contents of forum groups. In this case it didn't matter because Hypermug died Night 1, but if any future games include a SP mod, don't tempt them.

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Yeah I just thought it was assumed since dead townies aren't supposed to talk either so it makes sense that should apply to the mafia as well. Well, that's a lesson learned. I also didn't know that about the forum groups. Do you know if regular members can see the members of an invite only group? That was why I didn't end up using a forum group anyway.

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Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0

I pretty much ignored anything they said (it wasn't very much to begin with). But Luv said they did it very very heavily in Pokemafia.

Like I said though, nothing was said that could've compromised the game, and very little was actually said anyway.

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I was actually pretty close to posting the roles in the dead group, but Kyrastri didn't want me because she wanted to guess who was mafia. If I had ended up posting them, it would have been pretty catastrophic.

It sounded like it's been happening in like every past game though and that was a bit concerning. :?

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Yeah I just thought it was assumed since dead townies aren't supposed to talk either so it makes sense that should apply to the mafia as well. Well, that's a lesson learned. I also didn't know that about the forum groups. Do you know if regular members can see the members of an invite only group? That was why I didn't end up using a forum group anyway.


I was actually pretty close to posting the roles in the dead group, but Kyrastri didn't want me because she wanted to guess who was mafia. If I had ended up posting them, it would have been pretty catastrophic.

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I don't think they can for private groups. Never mind, they can.

This situation and new information angers me a little bit. I don't know what was said...but if this was really going on, come on guys, where's the integrity?

I mean this game the only things said were like: "We pineappleed, good luck.", "This play is risky!" and "DEATH TO MAS"
So it wasn't anything that like actually mattered really. But yeah.

Luv said that Mas and Kyra were doing it all game in Pokemafia so I assumed that that was maybe how SP was handling it, but I still pretty much tried to ignore what little was actually said because I didn't like it. Again, I've only played like 2 games of forum mafia outside of SP and I don't recall ever being mafia(?) so I didn't really have any point of reference for how it was handled.

If anything compromising had been said I would've reported it immediately, though.
I'd rather lose on my own terms than win with something I didn't approve of.

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Do you know if regular members can see the members of an invite only group?

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They can.

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They can.

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Yeah then it was a good call not to use groups.

Previous games that I've modded required the mafia to BCC me any PMs that they send (which is pretty inconvenient) but yeah, now we know for next time. At least now it's come to light.

You could just make it so the dead players group was only for dead townies/neutrals and keep mafia talking after they die (or not).

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I mean this game the only things said were like: "We pineappleed, good luck.", "This play is risky!" and "DEATH TO MAS"
So it wasn't anything that like actually mattered really. But yeah.

Luv said that Mas and Kyra were doing it all game in Pokemafia so I assumed that that was maybe how SP was handling it, but I still pretty much tried to ignore what little was actually said because I didn't like it. Again, I've only played like 2 games of forum mafia outside of SP and I don't recall ever being mafia(?) so I didn't really have any point of reference for how it was handled.

If anything compromising had been said I would've reported it immediately, though.
I'd rather lose on my own terms than win with something I didn't approve of.

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Typically it's never been outlawed and it's something I've been used to seeing allowed. If it was ever the slightest question of "we shouldn't be doing this" we wouldn't have. I've always understood it as (aside from revival/contact the dead/other "death" related abilities) one of the biggest reasons you don't communicate with other players outside of your faction/mason group once dead. I can honestly go either way with regards to whether it should be banned or not as a general rule.

I know we didn't do it during the Captain Planet mafia, but that was also like a year or two ago now, so that's not really saying much.

It's not even that you would know people's roles or something, it's just that once you're dead you shouldn't be able to influence the game at all, otherwise death for mafia is just a numbers game, since if your pro player dies early they can just play vicariously through the other players, or they could be giving reads or info to the living. It's like how if a townie dies they shouldn't be PMing other (presumed) townies advice. Once you're dead, you're out of the game. I don't really mind about the past games because it was never really brought up so nobody knew it was happening, but I think there should definitely be a rule about it for future games.

I think it's fine for the mafia to talk with one another during the game once they are dead, but the mafias should not know any info about the Townies/Neutrals if they are allowed to talk. The same goes for Townies/Neutrals.

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I think it's fine for the mafia to talk with one another during the game once they are dead, but the mafias should not know any info about the Townies/Neutrals if they are allowed to talk. The same goes for Townies/Neutrals.

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Yeah, basically ditto to what Luv said. It was my first time playing mafia last game but I can see it going both ways- I ended up assuming that discussion should be kept between mason/mafia groups, though I can understand why you wouldn't want dead players influencing the game.

The only reason I was averse to mafia talking this game was because they were part of a dead group that included other members outside of their group, meaning that information posted there could have been fed back. If it's completely outlawed I won't have any complaints, but thats my 2 cents.

But allowing dead mafia to talk to living mafia brings a huge advantage to the mafia in that they don't REALLY lose any players (day game wise) since the dead can still advise the living. The mafia can kill off strong townies, but the townies can't do the same to strong mafia since they're still basically playing. Plus, from a game flavour point of view it makes no sense for dead people to talk at all. The point of the dead group was so that the dead people could effectively shed their alliances and discuss what's happening in the game. I guess it's up to the mod whether or not to allow it, but personally I'm against any living-dead interaction.

I agree with Holypie. Unless their ability specifically allows them to still contact people from the afterlife, dead people should be out of the game completely. It provides an insanely unfair advantage to the mafia otherwise.

I don't really see much of a point playing a game where death is (usually) the only/main consequence and it becomes insignificant because you're still influencing the game regardless.

Dead men tell no tales. Nuff said

I can see it going either way personally. Like in Pokemafia it had no effect on the end of the game because by the point dead talking started everyone but myself was dead and I had already planned out the path I was gonna take and everything.