[1.2.318] [KOR] Adventurer Skill Revamps

Rawr )+ I hope I'm wrong here, but can someone tell me if Fiel's other thread says that Brave slash has a longer delay than Brandish? 1080 ms vs 810 ms.

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Originally Posted by Saar331

its gayish/ 4year oldish

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I did not know that something subjective and varied as music taste can be classified by sexual orientation. I honestly thought this forum's maturity and tolerance was a bit higher.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Also, is Brave slash any slower than Brandish was?

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Apparently by a lot. Brandish is 840ms. Brave Slash's delay is seemingly 1080ms. It does less DPS at max level. If they were the same speed though, it'd still need to be level ~18 to match DPS. The only possible advantages would be based on how FA would work with either skill, and possibly slash-stab ratios for Axe usage. Brave Slash does have a significantly larger range, but that doesn't make up for its horrible damage scaling.

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Originally Posted by JoeTang

Apparently by a lot. Brandish is 840ms. Brave Slash's delay is seemingly 1080ms. It does less DPS at max level. If they were the same speed though, it'd still need to be level ~18 to match DPS. The only possible advantages would be based on how FA would work with either skill, and possibly slash-stab ratios for Axe usage. Brave Slash does have a significantly larger range, but that doesn't make up for its horrible damage scaling.

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I was very afraid of that. Hopefully they thought of this, cause it makes very little sense for Brandish to out damage Brave Slash.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Rawr )+ I hope I'm wrong here, but can someone tell me if Fiel's other thread says that Brave slash has a longer delay than Brandish? 1080 ms vs 810 ms.

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If 1080 ms is the normal attack speed, using a fast 4 speed weapon with booster would bring that down to 810 ms, or 900 ms with a regular fast weapon.

It favors axes a tiny bit if it's true that it's two slashes and a stab, 66.67% slash up from 60% slash.

I want to beleive FA works passively by adding 150% dmg to a hit, that's the only way I can justify this.

I realised I forgot to add in half of the warrior changes... updated previous post and putting it here as well.

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Skill changes:
- Rush now deals 250% damage.
- FA is now 40% for 150% damage. Works with Blast and Rush(???!).
- Rage now adds 20WA for 165 seconds.
- Power Guard now chews 100MP, absorbs and returns 30% damage for 20 seconds (nuts...)
- Relax now recovers up to 40MP every 4 seconds.
- Panic now deals 480% damage, and has a 90% chance to put monsters in a state of darkness for 9 seconds. *Finally fixed this...*
- Coma no longer uses HP, deals 360% damage along with 90% stun for up to 4 seconds.
- All power/armour/magic crashes now not only remove their respective buffs 100%, but also stops the monsters from using the buff again within the next 20 seconds. *doesn't work with immunity = still crappy*
- Shout now attacks up to 10 enemies for 220% damage, stun is now 8 seconds.
- Combo attack now increases damage by 3% per combo count.
- Brandish is now "Brave Slash", dealing 170% damage for 3 attacks. Brandish has been brought down to Crusaders, at 220% damage for 2 attacks.
- Advanced Combo now gives 3+5 = 8% damage increase per combo counter, and chance to charge 2 counters is raised to 80%.
- Monster Magnet now applies 200% damage when pulling, and stuns for up to 5 seconds. Has a 5 seconds cooldown. Appears to be 100% success rate... *wow*
- Enrage now adds +40 WA.
- No more shields for Heroes, in a sense that it's no longer practical without Blocking and Shield Mastery.
- Shield Mastery for Knights is now 200% increase in shield WDEF.
- White Knights no longer have Relax.
- White Knight's elemental charges for each weapon class is now merged together so that it is no longer specific to weapon type. *Good... less confusion and chance of making mistakes*. Each charge has a max level of 20. Fire charge is now 120% damage, Ice and thunder charge are 115% each. Holy charge is at 125% damage. Charge stacking effects not tested yet.
- Blocking (Paladin exclusive skill now) stuns for up to 6 seconds.
- Paladins no longer have Monster Magnet.
- Charge Blow now deals 370% damage, and has a 120% (???) chance to stun for 6 seconds. With ACB, it deals 530% damage. *Epic phail... "Wow! Probability of more than 100%! =.=" /facepalm *
- Sanctuary now hits at 1000% damage. Still leaves at least 1 HP.
- Iron Wall now gives +300 WDEF and +100 MDEF.
- Elemental Resistance now resists only 20%.
- Dragon Crusher (combined for polearm and spear) now attacks 3 monsters 3 times regardless of level. Damage reduced to 150%.
- Dragon Fury no longer requires HP. Damage buffed to 380%.
- Sacrifice attacks at 800% damage (!) at 11% HP cost. Unclear if that HP loss is derived from damage or from MaxHP.
- Dragon Roar now attacks for 280% damage, costs 20% MaxHP (down from 30%), and self-stun duration is an increasing trend from 1-3 seconds (as opposed to 4-2 seconds previously).
- Dragon's Blood now uses up to 150HP every 4 seconds (!) (starting at 340HP {!!} at level 1), but gives up to +40 WA boost.
- Berserk is now completely changed. It is now called "Dark Force", and changed from activating below a certain HP, to activating above a certain HP (complete flip). Gives a damage boost for an equivalent defence penalty. At max level, activates above 70% HP, gives 30% damage boost for -30% WDEF.
- Beholder now gives 10% mastery. However, since the damage formulae have all changed, the effect is currently unclear.
- Beholder's buff gives +20WA, +100 WDEF, +100 MDEF, +40 Acc, +40 Avoid per buff instance, and buffs every 4 seconds. Each buff lasts for 100 seconds. *This is very good*

Hadriel

Berserk activating at 100% HP and cutting Def does not sound fun. Rest of the DK changes do. They suck less now. Yey. If leveling is as omghax as 50% exp tnl sounds, I might try one. :o

so from the looks of it the hero is full on commando while the pally is a sentinel. Its looking like a 1-h pally may be a more viable option considering guarding is frikkin 30% activation rate

Why does Maple start to feel like Latale to me now...

Hadriel

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Originally Posted by hadriel

Why does Maple start to feel like Latale to me now...

Hadriel

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Probably because of the upcoming Mechanic job (lolEngineer -> Meister), and may also be because NexonUS keeps referring to the Adventurers as "Explorers".

There's still no OMGHAX ladder-jump-climbing in Maplestory though...that was one thing I had to get used to when I quit La Tale and came back to Maplestory.

Levelling is hell in LaTale at Lv5x. Was planning on Bow Explorer -> Gunslinger (Oh well, what do you know. ANOTHER similarity).

I'm putting up what changes I can analyse from 1.2.318 to 1.2.319. Many thanks to Fiel for his extractions.

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Hero changes:
- Power Guard duration increased to 100 seconds, and damage reflect raised to 50%
- Ground Slam hit box: ltx=-200, lty=-113, rbx=-10, rby=0.
- Armour/Power/Magic crash now have a 60 second cooldown.
- Shout has 200% range regardless of level.
- Coma and Panic now have additional variables... not too sure what they do...
- Monster Magnet works with FA. Range reduced slightly to 370% (ltx=-370, lty=-100, rbx=-50, rby=15), but range remains the same throughout all levels.
- Rush has 270% range throughout all levels.
- Brave Slash has delay of 1080ms. 250% range (ltx=-250, lty=-150, rbx=-10, rby=0). In comparision, Brandish has 150% range (ltx=-150, lty=-110, rbx=-10, rby=0). BS reaches higher and further.

Paladin changes:
- Power guard (see above)
- Threaten now has 300% range throughout all levels. Blind probability increased to 60%.
- Shield mastery now scales wider, from 10% - 200% as opposed to 100% - 200%.
- Charge Blow range increased to 200.
- Elemental damage from charges seem to be 50% for Lightning Charge and 100% for all the rest... not too sure yet.
- Blast deals 670% damage.

Dark Knight changes:
- Elemental Resistance is now back to 40%.
- Critical rate for Judgement Dragon increased to 30%. Something about increasing critical damage but not too sure... looks like the HP healing part is removed (or might have been translation error).
- Crusher and Fury have respective max ranges regardless of level i.e. no more range scaling to level.
- Sacrifice damage nerfed to 620% damage. HP loss is derived from damage, not MaxHP.
- Dragon's Blood WA boost nerfed to +30WA. HP cost increased greatly to HP -350 at max level (level 1: HP -540).
- Beholder's Buff now gives +10WA per buff instance. (Does this hint that each buff instance stacks?)

*edit* added in DK changes. *edit*

Hadriel

This thread has been updated for 1.2.319.

Ahh... the achilles data's not updated... but you'll do that eventually yea I know. Really curious about thunder spear though.

Hadriel

=/ Battleship Cannon takes another hit. 135% x 6 now. I really hope the formula changes and criticals make up for the 710% drop.

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Originally Posted by Bribery

=/ Battleship Cannon takes another hit. 135% x 6 now. I really hope the formula changes and criticals make up for the 710% drop.

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what if battleship has its own forumla? why on earth would the do such an epic drop

Yep, 135% x6 hits just effectively made Gunslingers one of the worst classes in the game. The only thing that can save it is if it's either a ton faster or if +20% critical is a lot better than we think it is.

Love how Triple Throw is still 270% x3 + 108% x3, though.

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Originally Posted by Fiel

This thread has been updated for 1.2.319.

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where there many changes? The NLs ones seams exactly the same XD Has the other classes like evan, aran and resistance been updated?

Requesting current Assaulter delay/animations

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Originally Posted by Bribery

=/ Battleship Cannon takes another hit. 135% x 6 now. I really hope the formula changes and criticals make up for the 710% drop.

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wooooo maybe NLs will be the highest DPS or maybe Wild hunters XD

I fixed Achilles. It was due to a bad regular expression.

Ok thanks. There are others out there... but your hands are a little full right now so won't pester. =P

Hadriel

I know there are others - like mpCon in Element Amplification for Corsairs. But they didn't include an mpCon variable so there's nothing to substitute.

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Originally Posted by Bribery

=/ Battleship Cannon takes another hit. 135% x 6 now. I really hope the formula changes and criticals make up for the 710% drop.

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Not just that: Even though Ice Splitter and Flamethrower got a damage boost, targets got cut down to 4. Torp got a nerf, BF got a nerf, RF got a nerf. Only thing that was SEMI boosted is air strike, and even then in MAX level. (and no, i'm not looking at summons. they're not practical for training after 13x or before 85+)

The critical formula needs to be EPIC to make up for this crap.

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Originally Posted by Blup

Not just that: Even though Ice Splitter and Flamethrower got a damage boost, targets got cut down to 4. Torp got a nerf, BF got a nerf, RF got a nerf. Only thing that was SEMI boosted is air strike, and even then in MAX level. (and no, i'm not looking at summons. they're not practical for training after 13x or before 85+)

The critical formula needs to be EPIC to make up for this crap.

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How impractical is Gaviota? It literally takes no time whatsoever to use and most builds now will have it doing 500% damage every five seconds.

They likely lowered the damage of every skill to make up for how much criticals account for.

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Originally Posted by JoeTang

How impractical is Gaviota? It literally takes no time whatsoever to use and most builds now will have it doing 500% damage every five seconds.

They likely lowered the damage of every skill to make up for how much criticals account for.

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It takes time to attack, i usually end up killing the mob before it starts. and personally i find it quite buggy when casting. Besides, whenever you're not sniping newts, it triggers monsters agro on you, and you end up getting hit on battleship. Personally? i don't use it.
and most of the other jobs are getting a boost somewhere, but corsairs just keep getting their attacks nerfed. but again, I dont want to speak before I see the new crit in action. If I understood correctly, there's a base 40% crit. so 60% crit might not be as bad as I thought. If these changes would be implemented as written, I would most likely quit my corsair.

Hang on, are ifrit and elquines switched? Because it sais ifrit freezes and it's weaker than elquines...

Ok, interesting thief stuff:

Star mastery makes star usage even more efficient by a lot. That means, that while on Shadow stars, you actually RECHARGE your stars while attacking.
Shadow web now has 100% chance of success when maxed. That makes it useful again.
Shared skills between Night Lords and Shadowers are now equal to both.
And... 6 chief bandits with maxed smokescreen in the same party can go into godmode.

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Originally Posted by Veneni

Hang on, are ifrit and elquines switched? Because it sais ifrit freezes and it's weaker than elquines...

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ya..i also found out .they are switched..
Omg..did it really...
my i/l arch mage ifrit change to elquines? :hothead:

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Originally Posted by Pythagoras

ya..i also found out .they are switched..
Omg..did it really...
my i/l arch mage ifrit change to elquines? :hothead:

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Well, with elemental reset, it was no longer needed. However, it still does wonders as a party skill to party with the opposite archmage... Sounds interesting.

This is all very interesting. And just as I was starting to get bored with MS, too.

Though I do wish I knew how the new crit system works, now I don't know which Adventurer ring to get. (Assuming it isn't nerfed.)

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Originally Posted by CrimsonJohnny

This is all very interesting. And just as I was starting to get bored with MS, too.

Though I do wish I knew how the new crit system works, now I don't know which Adventurer ring to get. (Assuming it isn't nerfed.)

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I was wondering EXACTLY this. What's the best ring after the changes then?

Probably the ring that gives the greatest crit chance, again assuming those don't undergo a nerf.

And wasn't the whole point of Mages getting each others summons part of some plotline in the 4th job?

Please tell me the 2 mob BStep at all levels is a typo. =(

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Originally Posted by Neothisis

Please tell me the 2 mob BStep at all levels is a typo. =(

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I see 2 times to 2 mobs at lvl 1 and 4 times to 4 mobs at max o.o

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Probably the ring that gives the greatest crit chance, again assuming those don't undergo a nerf.

And wasn't the whole point of Mages getting each others summons part of some plotline in the 4th job?

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Yes, the storyline was quite interesting too... I'll feel bad losing my dear elquines.

Ugh, aside from Cannon being weaker (which is rage!), Octopus is also 80% weaker (cry!) and Elemental Boost gives 60% instead of 120% (or 200% currently in gMS).

Meanwhile NLs get a massive boost to their multi-target attack as well as a crazy good reflection skill? What the hell is this?

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Originally Posted by KaidaTan

Ugh, aside from Cannon being weaker (which is rage!), Octopus is also 80% weaker (cry!) and Elemental Boost gives 60% instead of 120% (or 200% currently in gMS).

Meanwhile NLs get a massive boost to their multi-target attack as well as a crazy good reflection skill? What the hell is this?

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Maybe Battleship gves a massive enough boost (maybe a crit boost like Wild Hunters) to make up for it. That or they may revert the nerfs after seeing enough 4th job Corsairs complain.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonJohnny

This is all very interesting. And just as I was starting to get bored with MS, too.

Though I do wish I knew how the new crit system works, now I don't know which Adventurer ring to get. (Assuming it isn't nerfed.)

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Looking at the critical skills, it seems to be very hard to get critical damage as compared to critical chance, so the cruel ring may actually turn out better than the critical ring for critical classes after these changes. That's just a wild guess though because this new critical system hasn't been figured out yet.

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

Maybe Battleship gves a massive enough boost (maybe a crit boost like Wild Hunters) to make up for it. That or they may revert the nerfs after seeing enough 4th job Corsairs complain.

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Pretty sure it would be written if you get a boost when you board the ship. I don't see corsairs having SE, and the critical we get is half the change bowmen get.

Awww... they nerfed BS back down to 900% x 4 mobs. Sad day for me.

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Originally Posted by Cactuar

Awww... they nerfed BS back down to 900% x 4 mobs. Sad day for me.

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? I still see BS as 1800% to 4 mobs.

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

? I still see BS as 1800% to 4 mobs.

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30 MP 40 소비, 4명의 적에게 450% 데미지로 2번 공격, 90% 확률로 4초간 기절

That's korean for hits I assume, since assaulter has the exact same thing for hits:

30 MP 26 소비, 340% 데미지로 4번 공격, 80% 확률로 5초간 기절

And Band of Theives has similar if not the exact same korean for targets:

20 MP 30 소비, 최대 5명의 적에게 390% 데미지

Ohh I see it now. It translates to:

"Consumption MP 40, 2 to 4 times the enemy attacked 450% damage, 4 seconds 90% chance to stun"

so 900-1800%, and nothing about how many enemies.

Via google translate lawl.

I realize how late I am on this, but I just came.

Google Translate

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Teleport distance  increases. The point of a chance to teleport  enemies to damage and can be applied with a stunning effect.
Skills needed: Teleport over 20 levels.

20 Teleport distance increased, 30% chance 250% damage up to 6  enemies, 4 seconds stun

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텔레포트 이동거리가 증가한다. 또한 일정확률로 텔레포트 지점의 적들에게 데미지와 함께 기절 효과를 적용시킬 수 있다.
필요 스킬 : 텔레포트 20레벨 이상.

텔레포트 이동거리 20 증가, 30% 확률로 최대 6명의 적에게 250% 데미지, 4초간 기절

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To clear things out. All jobs (even beginners) have a base 5% critical chance. I don't know about the % critical damage, though.

Well, I have a Captain (I mean Corsair, but I'm still used to KMS names) and Aran in tespia. Not much to say about arans, they got nerfed a lot.
The critical skill does not make up for the nerfs. 20% chance, with the +5% base, is 25% chance for +20% damage.
Also, I have lvl 5 cannon, and is still weaker than triple fire. My lvl 1 torpedo is around the same damage than ice splitter WITHOUT ICE CAPSULE, and I only have lvl 1 elem boost. I kill mobs of vikings with it, it does around 22k each hit. And my equips aren't great.

So basically, before this patch, I was using battleship. Now I don't, cause is a waste. At least with low lvls of cannon/torpedo.

Also, about the captain's new dice skill. It rolls a dice, and depending on the number, you get a buff.
1: Fail. No buff.
2: +20% critical damage. (I'm not sure about this. Couldn't read the korean well, but I felt higher damage on my criticals)
3: +20% Max HP and MP.
4: +10% critical rate
5: +20% total damage.
6: I still didn't get a 6, but I'd say it has to be something good, cause it's rare.

EDIT: Oh, and there's the new 4th job skill, called "Counter Attack", but for some reason it doesn't let me put points on it. I have no idea of what it does, something about 1% chance for 15 seconds, and 3 attack at lvl 1.

EDIT2: I mixed up some dice numbers.

They should have left Corsairs alone. They were fine after the first patch. :f7:

The Dice skill seems nice. What's the most common result for you?

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Originally Posted by Bribery

The Dice skill seems nice. What's the most common result for you?

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I get mostly 3's and 4's.

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Originally Posted by Rigumaro

I get mostly 3's and 4's.

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Can you roll it like 50 times, and post the distribution of results? Curious about it.

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Originally Posted by Rigumaro

To clear things out. All jobs (even beginners) have a base 5% critical chance. I don't know about the % critical damage, though.

Well, I have a Captain (I mean Corsair, but I'm still used to KMS names) and Aran in tespia. Not much to say about arans, they got nerfed a lot.
The critical skill does not make up for the nerfs. 20% chance, with the +5% base, is 25% chance for +20% damage.
Also, I have lvl 5 cannon, and is still weaker than triple fire. My lvl 1 torpedo is around the same damage than ice splitter WITHOUT ICE CAPSULE, and I only have lvl 1 elem boost. I kill mobs of vikings with it, it does around 22k each hit. And my equips aren't great.

So basically, before this patch, I was using battleship. Now I don't, cause is a waste. At least with low lvls of cannon/torpedo.

Also, about the captain's new dice skill. It rolls a dice, and depending on the number, you get a buff.
1: Fail. No buff.
2: +20% critical damage.
3: +10% critical rate
4: +20% Max hp.
5: +10% or +20% (I forgot, sorry) total damage.
6: I still didn't get a 6, but I'd say it has to be something good, cause it's rare.

EDIT: Oh, and there's the new 4th job skill, called "Counter Attack", but for some reason it doesn't let me put points on it. I have no idea of what it does, something about 1% chance for 15 seconds, and 3 attack at lvl 1.

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I'm liking this Dice Skill. Something tells me 6 will be lovely to get. Maybe it cooldowns all our cooldowns. :heart:

It's not broken as in stupid powerful, but I like the randomness in that it'll make training and bossing a little more interesting.

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

I'm liking this Dice Skill. Something tells me 6 will be lovely to get. Maybe it cooldowns all our cooldowns. :heart:

It's not broken as in stupid powerful, but I like the randomness in that it'll make training and bossing a little more interesting.

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Hah, a cooldown removal buff would be interesting. I thought it would be a buff that gave all the options from 2-5 personally.

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

I'm liking this Dice Skill. Something tells me 6 will be lovely to get. Maybe it cooldowns all our cooldowns. :heart:

It's not broken as in stupid powerful, but I like the randomness in that it'll make training and bossing a little more interesting.

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lol yay for pirates getting gambling skill every 180 seconds :D

i wanna max it just for that aspect LOL

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Hah, a cooldown removal buff would be interesting. I thought it would be a buff that gave all the options from 2-5 personally.

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I was hoping for Invulnerability for x amount of seconds, but that's probably far-off.

Not liking the overkill Corsair nerfs, but I am liking this new dice skill.

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Originally Posted by Rigumaro

To clear things out. All jobs (even beginners) have a base 5% critical chance. I don't know about the % critical damage, though.

Well, I have a Captain (I mean Corsair, but I'm still used to KMS names) and Aran in tespia. Not much to say about arans, they got nerfed a lot.
The critical skill does not make up for the nerfs. 20% chance, with the +5% base, is 25% chance for +20% damage.
Also, I have lvl 5 cannon, and is still weaker than triple fire. My lvl 1 torpedo is around the same damage than ice splitter WITHOUT ICE CAPSULE, and I only have lvl 1 elem boost. I kill mobs of vikings with it, it does around 22k each hit. And my equips aren't great.

So basically, before this patch, I was using battleship. Now I don't, cause is a waste. At least with low lvls of cannon/torpedo.

Also, about the captain's new dice skill. It rolls a dice, and depending on the number, you get a buff.
1: Fail. No buff.
2: +20% critical damage.
3: +10% critical rate
4: +20% Max hp.
5: +10% or +20% (I forgot, sorry) total damage.
6: I still didn't get a 6, but I'd say it has to be something good, cause it's rare.

EDIT: Oh, and there's the new 4th job skill, called "Counter Attack", but for some reason it doesn't let me put points on it. I have no idea of what it does, something about 1% chance for 15 seconds, and 3 attack at lvl 1.

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Damage on ice is wierd. Even though the boost is huge, I dont like the change of training method to use of it, but maybe it can open up himes as a training spot.
Please report on cannon power once you get it to a higher level please :f4:

And incase you guys forgot - lucky dice has a 5 minute cooldown after a 3 minute buff at max. still looks appealing?

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Originally Posted by Blup

Damage on ice is wierd. Even though the boost is huge, I dont like the change of training method to use of it, but maybe it can open up himes as a training spot.
Please report on cannon power once you get it to a higher level please :f4:

And incase you guys forgot - lucky dice has a 5 minute cooldown after a 3 minute buff at max. still looks appealing?

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That means you're buffed 60% of the time, not that bad, wonder if it can be dispelled.

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Originally Posted by Blup

And incase you guys forgot - lucky dice has a 5 minute cooldown after a 3 minute buff at max. still looks appealing?

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Did you forget that ST used to have a 2 minute cooldown? I think we'll live. Of course it still is appealing.

Oh wow. Even though Final Attack for nerfed, it's actually pretty good right now. Sorta

There is no skill animation for it anymore. 0 Delay :D

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Originally Posted by Hazzy

Can you roll it like 50 times, and post the distribution of results? Curious about it.

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Aw, the cooldown is so high, that I'd take a while. I'll just write down the results, and I'll post them every 10 or so.

Also, I can't get much more information about cannon. I'm lvl 124, and rates are 1x. Even with this new exp curve, it'd take me a lot to max it :S. Btw, at my level, vikings seem like the best choice to grind :S. Also, edited my previous post with dice skill details.

scratch that

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Originally Posted by Darkmaniak

That means you're buffed 60% of the time, not that bad, wonder if it can be dispelled.

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37% of the time. (5 min cooldown to 3 min useage)
hopefully the buff is like battleship.

what IS interesting though, is since now newts isn't your favorite spot from 8x to 13x, training as an outlaw might become more fun...

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Originally Posted by kremechoko

Oh wow. Even though Final Attack for nerfed, it's actually pretty good right now. Sorta

There is no skill animation for it anymore. 0 Delay :D

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Is this from trying it out?

Wait, F/Ps get Ifrit and I/Ls get Elquines?

Isn't it the other way around?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Wait, F/Ps get Ifrit and I/Ls get Elquines?

Isn't it the other way around?

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They changed it.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Is this from trying it out?

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Yes. My fighter is lvl 42 currently.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Wait, F/Ps get Ifrit and I/Ls get Elquines?

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Fiel thinks this means Amp works on summons.

Still, Demon and Summon was a nice trick. I'm kinda sad to see that vanish, especially since Ultimate Spamming is dead.

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Yes. My fighter is lvl 42 currently.

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Freaking awesome. So it does work like crit? Now to figure out if it just adds 150% or if it adds 150% per hit so that it'll actaully make brave slash viable.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Freaking awesome. So it does work like crit? Now to figure out if it just adds 150% or if it adds 150% per hit so that it'll actaully make brave slash viable.

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According to what he, Andy, told me, it shows the extra hit, but not the animation. So it's a separate hit, not added damage like critical. Andy, correct me if I'm wrong.

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According to what he, Andy, told me, it shows the extra hit, but not the animation. So it's a separate hit, not added damage like critical. Andy, correct me if I'm wrong.

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As long as there's no extra delay in it I'm quite happy. If each hit of Brave Slash has an equal and seperate chance at activating FA then my day will be made.

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Originally Posted by Blup

37% of the time. (5 min cooldown to 3 min useage)
hopefully the buff is like battleship.

what IS interesting though, is since now newts isn't your favorite spot from 8x to 13x, training as an outlaw might become more fun...

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Pretty sure cooldown starts on use, not at the end of the buff.

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Pretty sure cooldown starts on use, not at the end of the buff.

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Exactly. But anyways, I have all 3rd job skills maxed except 15 gaviota, and I could only get lvl 16 Dice. Which is less seconds and more cooldown.

Since the Arch Mage summons were switched, does Ice Demon make monsters weak to Ice and Fire Demon make monsters weak to Fire?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Wait, F/Ps get Ifrit and I/Ls get Elquines?

Isn't it the other way around?

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Originally Posted by holyforest

They changed it.

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Fiel thinks this means Amp works on summons.

Still, Demon and Summon was a nice trick. I'm kinda sad to see that vanish, especially since Ultimate Spamming is dead.

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Since the Arch Mage summons were switched, does Ice Demon make monsters weak to Ice and Fire Demon make monsters weak to Fire?

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Sorry for my Stupidity..
Fiel ,can u tell me Ifrit and Elquines is switched is a mistake of extraction.
or they are really switched?
I'm so confused now.:poast:

not a mistake. you could easily check this yourself by looking at jobIDs of each skill

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not a mistake. you could easily check this yourself by looking at jobIDs of each skill

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OK.Noted.!

I read somewhere that the Captain/Corsair's Counter attack skill is passive, and adds a chance for every attack you perform to add some WA temporarily. At maximum skill level, 10% chance of adding 30 WA. That, coupled with Critical Shot, is probably why many of their attacks were nerfed so badly.

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Exactly. But anyways, I have all 3rd job skills maxed except 15 gaviota, and I could only get lvl 16 Dice. Which is less seconds and more cooldown.

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An Outlaw can have everything maxed and 24 Gaviota.

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Originally Posted by Rigumaro

Also, about the captain's new dice skill. It rolls a dice, and depending on the number, you get a buff.
1: Fail. No buff.
2: +20% critical damage. (I'm not sure about this. Couldn't read the korean well, but I felt higher damage on my criticals)
3: +20% Max HP and MP.
4: +10% critical rate
5: +20% total damage.
6: I still didn't get a 6, but I'd say it has to be something good, cause it's rare.

EDIT: Oh, and there's the new 4th job skill, called "Counter Attack", but for some reason it doesn't let me put points on it. I have no idea of what it does, something about 1% chance for 15 seconds, and 3 attack at lvl 1.

EDIT2: I mixed up some dice numbers.

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It looks like getting a 6 might be +20% EXP.

So would this build for bandit be good?

1 Mastery -> 5 Haste -> 14 Steal(hits 4 enemies)(1 Savage Blow Somewhere) -> Max Mastery -> Max Steal -> 5 Booster -> Max Savage Blow/Haste(IDK which one to max first) -> Max Shadow Resistance

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Originally Posted by cleric1213

So would this build for bandit be good?

1 Mastery -> 5 Haste -> 14 Steal(hits 4 enemies)(1 Savage Blow Somewhere) -> Max Mastery -> Max Steal -> 5 Booster -> Max Savage Blow/Haste(IDK which one to max first) -> Max Shadow Resistance

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Sounds fine to me...

As for me, I'll definitely be past Second Job by the time the patch gets to MapleSEA. If they reset all the SP, then I would add:

Dagger Mastery - 20 (Maxed)
Dagger Booster - 20 (Maxed)
Haste - 20 (Maxed)
Steal - 11
Savage Blow - 30 (Maxed)
Shadow Resistance - 20 (Maxed)

Total: 121 SP

Note: I love having a 200 second Booster, so there. :p

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Sounds fine to me...

As for me, I'll definitely be past Second Job by the time the patch gets to MapleSEA. If they reset all the SP, then I would add:

Dagger Mastery - 20 (Maxed)
Dagger Booster - 20 (Maxed)
Haste - 20 (Maxed)
Steal - 11
Savage Blow - 30 (Maxed)
Shadow Resistance - 20 (Maxed)

Total: 121 SP

Note: I love having a 200 second Booster, so there. :p

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I have accounts in both KMS and MSEA, and TBH i prefer KMS

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not a mistake. you could easily check this yourself by looking at jobIDs of each skill

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Nooooo ifrit matched my outfit much better :'( /quit (nah jk :D <3 AM)
Pretty lame though, now demon will have no purpose at all (unless they make things weak to your other element, like when you're frozen doesn't that make electricity run more easely through you? And doesn't poison hurt more when you're burned? lol :D that would be awesome)

Oww, help me, the fact that I'm on fire makes this poison worse?

Had to take down the images for here. Sorry guys, but it's the only way I can do this.

Too much bandwidth, Fiel? a_@

He said in another thread the site was suspended due to high server load. It used up 350 GB in one week.

Dam a_@

Though, it seems that a lot of the visitors have left, but it might go back up when theres a new patch.

Boy do I feel like a dolt. I wasn't using mod_expires. No wonder my bandwidth usage was through the roof!

/me turns on mod_expires.

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Boy do I feel like a dolt. I wasn't using mod_expires. No wonder my bandwidth usage was through the roof!

/me turns on mod_expires.

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Your only human. But im sure chinchillas make mistakes too.

I just noticed that they squeezed all 3rd job F/P and I/L skills down to max within 10 or 20 levels. That's really nice, considering the math means essentially everything is maxed before reaching 4th Jobs, aside from 10 ish points in another skill. Though with Elemental Composition being replaced by 4th Job single targets, that's not an issue.

Regarding the Ifrit/Elquines switch, I really hope they change the Demons so that they make the mobs weak to the respective summon. If not, and their plan was to make training parties between I/Ls and F/Ps more viable so the summons of each could finish off the mobs of the other, or something stupid like that, all I'm going to do is say implied facepalm.

I really hope they change mobs to not be stregnthened to elements by the demons. It makes the poison from ID useless at places like O4 because it makes the mobs neutral to ice and lightning.

Is it me... or did I just see the translation of Ice Demon saying that it the pre-requisite of Ice Demon is level 5 Ice Demon? o.O Also, if I'm reading correctly, it appears to say that it makes monsters weak to Ice property, which is just the opposite of Fire Demon, except now that it's advantageous to one's own class. So can one now spam Ice Demon? =P

I hope there's still Frostbite damage... At the same time, Elquines/Ifrit switch would now make sense.

Hadriel

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Is it me... or did I just see the translation of Ice Demon saying that it the pre-requisite of Ice Demon is level 5 Ice Demon?

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You are correct.

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아이스 데몬
Description 아이스 데몬의 얼음 조각으로 다수의 적을 동시에 공격한다. 대상은 일정시간동안 화속성 공격에 더 많은 피해를 입는다.\n필요 스킬 : #c아이스 데몬 5레벨 이상#

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http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dependencies.png

That makes no sense at all... and Fire Demon doesn't have this at all...

Come to think about it... it reallty really doesn't make sense... pump this skill till level 5 or else you can't use it. =.="

Hadriel

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Is it me... or did I just see the translation of Ice Demon saying that it the pre-requisite of Ice Demon is level 5 Ice Demon? o.O Also, if I'm reading correctly, it appears to say that it makes monsters weak to Ice property, which is just the opposite of Fire Demon, except now that it's advantageous to one's own class. So can one now spam Ice Demon? =P

I hope there's still Frostbite damage... At the same time, Elquines/Ifrit switch would now make sense.

Hadriel

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I must admit, that is the one slightly annoying aspect of spamming the Demons at places strong/weak to the particular element, in that the first hit is either weaker than the rest, or frustratingly the strongest. Getting to have an isntant elemental advantage on the second hit would be very nice, and topping it off with appropriate element summons to deliver the extra damage means ArchMage training will be quite fast and fun. Hell, if the Demons are making mobs weak to the main element of the class, then you can easily set up for an ultimate cast every 30 seconds by ensuring the whole map is weak to the element before casting.

Provided all of this is the case, I really, really like the changes to ArchMages, though we'll still have to see if we're worthwhile at bosses now (though Elemental Reset will finally help with that <3!).

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The only aspect of the summon switch I don't like is a personal one. If you've done/know the quests, you'll know the summon quests are arguably the most difficult and frustrating of the ArchMage 4th Job quests. However, the storyline is extremely innovative and brilliant, giving justification for opposing element summons by saying that, by 4th Job, you've mastered all of the skills one can for your respective elements, and so to learn more magic you'd have to delve into elements that would cancel our your inner magic (ex. a Fire Mage learning Ice spells would cancel both fire and ice internally). To remedy this, Alcaster has you design a summoned familiar that will be powered by your magic, and proceed to use the opposing element, without damaging your elemental attribute as you're simply suppling the raw magical power needed for it to function.

Of all the quests I've done in Maple this was perhaps one of the most well-written, and so I appreciated finishing a tough quest with the idea in mind that I had accomplished something "beyond the scope of Fire and Poison magic." On a side note, I also think Elquines is much cooler looking that Ifrit, no pun intended.

If I'm not mistaken, both Ice Demon and Fire Demon state that they make the target vulnerable to Fire-type attacks.

There are definitely some description issues here.

Fire demon's description is correct... it does add fire property. If you add one more character in:

화염
(Taken from Meteor. This means flame.)

Such that [... 5초간 화속성 ...] (from the description of the Ifrit skill, taken from the table for the skill data description, not the skill description) becomes:

[... 5초간 화염속성 ...]

Then "hwasokseong" becomes "fire property".

The issue with the translation is in Ice Demon, where you see 화속성 in the skill description, but yet in the description of the skill in the individual levels (i.e. in the table) you instead see 얼음속성, which means "ice properties".

So much for... copy and paste? Elquine's pre-req is missing but Ifrit's pre-req is correct, and Ice Demon's pre-req is itself. Pwn...

Hadriel

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Fire demon's description is correct... it does add fire property. If you add one more character in:

화염
(Taken from Meteor. This means flame.)

Such that [... 5초간 화속성 ...] (from the description of the Ifrit skill, taken from the table for the skill data description, not the skill description) becomes:

[... 5초간 화염속성 ...]

Then "hwasokseong" becomes "fire property".

The issue with the translation is in Ice Demon, where you see 화속성 in the skill description, but yet in the description of the skill in the individual levels (i.e. in the table) you instead see 얼음속성, which means "ice properties".

So much for... copy and paste? Elquine's pre-req is missing but Ifrit's pre-req is correct, and Ice Demon's pre-req is itself. Pwn...

Hadriel

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Actually, the 화 from 화염 is the part that means fire.

Other than that, I heard a crap rumor that says CSB no longer has invincibility frames on Insoya. Can Fiel confirm this?

GoogleTranslate phail... oh well... "hwasokseong" makes no sense to us at all so I was trying to find an extra word or something that would make GT recognise that word as fire/flame thingy... just that character itself gave me "flower"... /facepalm.

CSB without invincibility frames?? If that were true, that's terrible. But as long as Barrage and Demo still has invincibility frames... well... *crosses fingers*

Hadriel

Demo has technically no invincibility frames. You just can't get hit while hitting the boss, but once you get back in position, bam. Barrage's invincibility frame is nothing without chaining it to CSB...

Also, they buffed CSB to hit 6 mobs... it would be ridiculous to leave it without invincibility frames now. Yeah sure, just CSB these 6 Oblivion Guardians and piss them off with 3k damage, so you get hit over and over before you can even Dragon Strike.

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The only aspect of the summon switch I don't like is a personal one. If you've done/know the quests, you'll know the summon quests are arguably the most difficult and frustrating of the ArchMage 4th Job quests. However, the storyline is extremely innovative and brilliant, giving justification for opposing element summons by saying that, by 4th Job, you've mastered all of the skills one can for your respective elements, and so to learn more magic you'd have to delve into elements that would cancel our your inner magic (ex. a Fire Mage learning Ice spells would cancel both fire and ice internally). To remedy this, Alcaster has you design a summoned familiar that will be powered by your magic, and proceed to use the opposing element, without damaging your elemental attribute as you're simply suppling the raw magical power needed for it to function.

Of all the quests I've done in Maple this was perhaps one of the most well-written, and so I appreciated finishing a tough quest with the idea in mind that I had accomplished something "beyond the scope of Fire and Poison magic." On a side note, I also think Elquines is much cooler looking that Ifrit, no pun intended.

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Exactly what I was thinking. That quest line is just so well justified and nice.
Fire Demon was also cool. You had to prepare a container to put the lava from the volcano so you could get the Fire Demon inside you.