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Well as you guys have probably known, we had that massive shakeup on the Blessing of the Fairy buff, and I'm raging because since my 8x DK and 14x F/P are on seperate accounts....and well you know where that's gonna go. L> 14 atk buff :f4:
A friend suggested to me that for a quick and easy attk buff, make a BW. Should I do that just so I can get a nice damage boost for my DK?
I think it takes too long >_> I tried to make a BW for my NL and it was pretty slow comparative to how little +1 atk matters (10 levels of BW is definitely slower than 1 on the NL, and +5 primary stat is more extra damage anyway)
Happy my 95 DK gets +13 blessing, happier when it hits 100 ;o With the extra acc/atk, I'm up over 50%/hr on 1x exp.
Well, my friend just pointed out how easy one can raise a BW to 4x or w/e level in a day....so.
Raising it to 20 would be worth it, maybe 30... dunno about 40 though.
Any good Page/White Knight/Paladin guides?
Any tips for first job Warriors either?
Page/Knight/Paladin Guide of the godshttp://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3602Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantaloon
Okay, so I have 2 possible equip upgrade options since Im done with the f***ing gold boxes:
- Scarlion Hat (DEX). Friend offered to me for 10K (7K initial cost + 3K Karma Scissors). This means that I can get a 3 DEX boost (My Zhelm's 14 DEX), which will put me 11 DEX shy of the DEX requierment for the Crimson Arcglaive. (ATM, I cannot find a run to go with as I'm still in quitting mode)
- Upgrade 9 atk WG via Hammering twice, then scrolling it. Possible 13 atk WG if all works out.
Both cost the same amount of NX to do the job. What do you think I should do?
You should give me the NX, level up and earn Scarlion Hat. xD
No seriously, is it even worth it to hammer 9atk gloves?
That, or you can use a good week or two to make a NW and get it to 9x for the buff.
Lvl 0~3x should be within the first 2 days.
Lvl 3x~5x will be a breeze with Vamp, just TW with max Rombot summon.
Lvl 5x~7x will be decent too with the new cpq2, that or you can Typhon + WR at 80% exp per hr on 1x.
7x~9x will take 1 day lol.
How... I'm only getting about 45%/hr with my Dawn Warrior owning gobies like it's nobody's business.. How do you get more? (seriously though, I want more too XD)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereo
I am strong and I can attract low level priests to lure Himes for me ;o Even with one 10 levels higher than me I was getting 45%/hr. But any level they have HS+Teleport is good enough.
Uh.........I really don't have time to make a decent NW just for the buff, so that's off the tables right now =\Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalovale
BTW, I self-scrolled those gloves since they were 3 atk 4 slot (only had one fail). Yes I could start over, but that'll take some time before I can scroll myself another pair.
I'd like some suggestions on where to train a lvl 70 dawn warrior, please.
Reposting since I never got any answers or advice and am still unsure :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ImagineAll
What's your funds without selling the sky ski because it might be better to 50% spam on one sky skii with white scrolls since they've dropped to 150mil (both) so 300mil per scroll, if you had max mesos you could easily end up with a 13x att.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImagineAll
The thing is I already know players, a dozen in fact with 120+ sky ski's..it's becoming a standard and much easier to get, you probably won't get the same offers.
The main problem with your comparison is that you aren't factoring in all your other gearQuote:
Originally Posted by ImagineAll
all attk needs to be factored into this comparison
once you do that youll see you most likely need atleast a 135 slow spear to match
but wait....add an apple on top of that -- 10% of 100 attack means you need even more attack on your slow spear
so youre looking at probably a 145 attack slow spear
if that seems reasonable to you then go for it -- but typically just mass scrolling nakas wont do it -- and remember that 145 is to match your current sky ski -- not beat it
youll need to forge a reverse and go to town with ws and some 50% spear scrolls
so remember -- for future reference -- compare both full attack set-ups and then add in the 10% difference -- the gap between skis and slow spears is getting smaller -- but for all but the most funded the gap still exists especially in a situation that involves apples
edit: with an intermediate bc the max youre looking at is 112 attack
It's not that I forgot, I was just trying to create a baseline for peoples understanding. I, along with others, don't think the "10% better" statement is accurate. My friends and I have tested this numerous times with both audio and visual testing and have never gotten the 66 attacks per-minute with crusher.
For the sake of my question though we'll agree that it is.
My current gear is:
Spoiler
So I need approximately a 136 attack naka to beat my DPS with the ski. The only issue is that the group I HT and Zak with doesn't use apples. Only people that do are the NL's so they can KS and get better exp. So the large majority of my bossing (excluding pap, BF, and zak solos) are done without apples.
I don't have very much funding right now since I spent around 800mil between buying earings, mask, and scrolling bottoms. I'm sure I can make the mesos if I start merching a lot, but that's never really been my forte. I do, however, want to buy all the pair of 100 attack clean skis that are in the FM and try my luck at making a perfect pair eventually.
How useful is Enrage really? Does it make a significant difference in bossing/training?~
It's nice for a bit increased DPS while bossing, but it's not useful for me at all for training.
My general opinion of it is that it's okay...nothing fantastic, though. I sometimes wish I went rush first (for faster training), but oh well.
Hehe, thanks f2. If I can ever reach the point where I can up that skill, I'd probably put those points in another skill... ~Quote:
Originally Posted by sicnarf
I just made a Warrior, and I'm going to try and get it to a Hero.
Are there any suggested builds out there that I could use?
Going to become a Polearm DK tomorrow and just have a few questions on training spots. By 80 I was thinking about blue kentauruses but I have also heard that wolf spiders are good too? Any personal suggestions/experiences that can help with training areas?
I have a question pertaining to which weapon i should use in the situation of: Apple + SI at bosses.
Should i use:
- 9/133 CS unhammered {normal(6) speed} (1-h)
- 19/122 Duck Tube hammered {fast(5) speed} (1-h)
- 13/118 Morningstar unhammered {normal(6) speed} (2-h) (thanks Elliot)
All speeds listed above are WITHOUT the SI boost added in. Can anyone answer this question for me? Thanks for your comments.
All are the same speed with SI added in, so it will come down to either the 133 CS or the 118 MS. Your own STR and ATT from other items play a role in which comes out on top, but IIRC the MS will be greater with an apple in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwolfrush1
I'm currently a level 44 dex-less Fighter with 74 acc.
My current dex/acc equips are;
Andras helm(8 acc) I have a z helm 15/15/15/13 20 acc
7 dex earrings
17 dex 9 acc sauna
5 acc shoes
I also have a 2 att pac clean will likely scroll for dex.
At what points would I start to have alot of accuracy problems I will be CPQ2ing till 70, then regular training from then on.
How should i be upgrading my equips and what are the average prices in Windia? How should i start to make money? Should i self scroll?
Really, as long as you can 100% hit Windraiders, you won't have any trouble until past 85 or so. Maybe later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death123141
Should I be able to 100% Windraiders at the level that I should be training there?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasPan
As long as you plan your accuracy correctly~Quote:
Originally Posted by Death123141
Another Accuracy question:
Is the new magic number for Accuracy 179 now? >.<
Depending on what you plan to train on. That sounds like the magical accuracy "needed" to down Lyka o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
Uhh...depends I guess. Nowadays I'm aiming for 163. (173 is the required accuracy for Oblivion 4)
Anyone...?Quote:
Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0
I just hit level 30, but still don't know what to put the last 6 sp into (maxed Improved MaxHP Increase, Slash Blast, and Power Strike, and put 5 sp into Improved HP Recovery)
All of the guides I've looked at are outdated and say different things.
LF>Help?
:f4:
Have you looked at this? :sQuote:
Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MapleStory/Warrior_Guide/Builds#First_Job_Skill_Build
I have, but they seem to be really outdated and I'm unsure as to whether or not I can trust them. I figured that people on here would be more reliable. But if those are suggested, then I guess I should use them?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, please tell me you already have Improved MaxHP Increase already maxed, and you had it maxed by level 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0
I would suggest that you get at least 1 point in endure, just so you can recover while on a rope. Honestly, I'd say put those last 6 in endure, but that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by y0y0y0y0shi0
I said I had it maxed, and I had it maxed at whatever was earliest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetaSeraphim
10 - 1 Recovery
11 - 3 Recovery (4)
12 - 1 Recovery (5), 2 Increase
13 - 3 Increase (5)
14 - 3 Increase (8)
15 - 2 Increase (10), 1 Power Strike
Didn't need any attacking skills early on because I just used the Witch's Brew stuff to level.
That's what I was thinking of doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DualReaver
How about 2nd job?
I was thinking of going this route (after putting 6 into Endure):
* 19 Weapon Mastery (19)
* 5 Weapon Booster (5)
* 30 Final Attack: Weapon (MAX)
* 3 Rage (3)
* 30 Power Guard (MAX)
* 17 Rage (MAX)
* 15 Weapon Booster (MAX)
* 1 Weapon Mastery (MAX)
* 1 Endure (7)
I think the duck tube goes to fast(4), while the Crushed Skull and Morningstar go to fast(5) with SI. So wouldn't that change the outcome possibly? I tried researching a warrior damage calculator that implemented in the calculation of SI/speed weapon factor, but couldn't find anything concrete.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasPan
I'd also like to find out what attk morningstar i would need to out-dmg my tube/CS with apple + SI.
The duck tube is fast(5) without booster, so it goes to faster(3) with normal booster, and faster(2) with SI.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwolfrush1
The others are normal(6) without booster, so they are fast(4) with normal booster, and faster(2) with SI.
Normal booster and SI are both -2 speed, but there's a limit - nothing below faster(2) is possible in GMS.
I'm a level 52 Fighter with max Mastery, Booster and Rage do i just max PG after that and what do i use my SP for after that?
you were supposed to leave booster at level 6 until late 2nd job levels. you can either go PG or start saving 30 points to max FA. i'd suggest FA first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death123141
Is FA that useful I heard isn't worth maxing or that might have been for another job I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSabbath
Bump for answersQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurtle
FA is definitely useful for Crusaders, it's possible to skip it (like any skill) but it's better not to since it does add damage. o.o
I stuck with Wolf Spiders in 8x on my DK, but I forget if Leafre was around back then. Wolf Spiders are good money and fast training so why not...
I heard it ruins mobbing, is this true? Does it add enough damage to make it worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereo
Depends on who you ask. FA is more or less a matter of preference. In the old days you wouldn't think of being a Sader or White Knight without it. These days you blast through second and third job so quickly that it's not as big a deal as it used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death123141
Personally I'd suggest getting PG for the additional "defense" as it will be saving you mesos on pot cost.
Okay so making sure FA is only good in 2nd and 3rd job and sucks in 4th, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ImagineAll
FA is only good in 2nd job but sucks in 3rd in most opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Death123141
Okay thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurtle
no, FA is not useless in 3rd job. it is very very useful and it helps combo ALOT, whoever says FA is useless at 3rd job (as a crusader) is probably a leecher. it does become pretty useless once you get brandish to a good level though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death123141
Should I wash 40 more times and be done with it for good?
ATM, I have 80 washes (13 levels worth of washing) in me (about 9.4K HP base, 9.6K HP if you count the HP gained from equips), and seeing the AP reset sale that's coming up on Black Friday (assuming that's gonna happen), I was thinking about buying 2 packs and using it when I come back briefly next month.
Should I do it?
If you can spare that money, then why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by WillDaSnail
I'm kinda confused about Advanced Combo... at Max level I get a 30% boost in damage but apparently it's not the case. So, I'm just wondering...
If my Brandish did 10k with just the first five orbs, how much would it do once I have all 10 orbs with max Advanced Combo?
5 orbs (max combo, 0 AC) gives you a 1.4 multiplier, while 10 orbs (max AC) gives you a 1.9 multiplier.
However, that's for specific cases. With max AC and just 5 orbs, the damage is different. Check out this thread: http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=454
Yeah, it's the opposite of that... it's crappy in 2nd job, awesome in 3rd job, and does not affect 4th job at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurtle
misread
disregard
What's the current magic number for accuracy (for like oblivion 4)? And does it also mean that I could hit every boss (at their level) without bless?
I believe it's somewhere around 172-3 to 100% hit Chief Oblivion Guards. With that, you should be able to hit just about everything except The Boss or BMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by TehMatt
Ok, thank you. Now all I need is 4 more accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitteh
You'd also need Bless for the Oblivion boss (what's it called?) which needs 179, and PB I believe is up there as well.
I can use a sniper pot for the oblivion boss, I guess, and I never plan on doing PB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereo
Lyka. PB = 202 accuracy or some shyt. It has 55 avoid, the same as Hsalf. For reference, BMM has 64 avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereo
So I'm new on the ~warrior~ scene. I've recently created a fighter, who just turned level 30 today. Its my first ever, and I wanted to challenge myself by being pure str! :redface:
So I was wondering what should I be looking at equips-wise? This whole acc thing is a little overwhemling, but I don't really have to worry about mesers so much, I've got a lot of hoarded things I can sell. I'm just wondering if someone can tell me what I should be looking at now, and looking for in the future.
Thanks so much guys! :blush:
P.S. - I've glanced at a few guides, but most are very outdated >:
First of all, welcome to the warrior family!.Quote:
Originally Posted by fallenangls
Lets start with the very basics - don't jump the gun. The goodies (aka your end-game equips) will come later.
For equips atm:
- 100%'d Bathrobe (I'm guessing you have that set). Switch to the female overall as soon as you hit Level 35.
- ATT WG (8 atk+ is something good to start off with)
- ACC RSS. I would get this ASAP because this shoe will help you out A LOT, since you're going the DEXless route. Any shoe 10 acc or above will do.
- Zhelm (at Level 50). Self-explainatory for why this is very important. But for now, try to find yourself a clean Brown Bandana:f2:
- Silver Deputy Star (at Level 50). Will add a bit of acc. If you wish, you can use a Spiglemann Necklace till then.
- Cape: Just use whatever (unless you have a low-level DEX cape at your disposal) till Level 50, when you can upgrade to a PaC (with stats like DEX or STR, if you can afford it). I would use IC2 just for the speed, or if you do the 2 Magatia quests (forgot what they're called, but related to two "rival" families), they can give you capes that come with 5 speed and 2 jump.
- Weapon: Now I know you may be thinking about 1H sword, but given what you have, using 1H + Shield is just too expensive to think about. Stick with 2H swords till then. Lionheart will be something nice to use (fast 2-H) till Level 50. Basically use w/e till you can get yourself a nice Soul Rohen (Level 64 Maple 2H sword). If you're desperate for accuracy, try and get yourself a Maple Soul Singer or Maple Sword.
- Earrings: If you can afford a low-level DEX earring, go for it. Otherwise, if you cannot, I suggest going EFPQ (Ellin Forest PQ, min. Level 45 to do the PQ) and PQ enough to get Glittering Altaire Earrings (2 to all stats). That'll give a little accuracy to boot. However, min. level for the earrings are Level 50.
Hope that helps........if I didn't miss anything. xD
To expand on later options (lvl 50+) you can Maker equipment with Garnet, which gives accuracy. I don't think getting Garnet should pose too much of a problem.
Were you going to mention the Japanese Map? xD That's also fast(4) and it's lvl 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillDaSnail
Oops, I forgot. FML. :f3:Quote:
Originally Posted by KajitiSouls
Just wondering if i don't hp wash a hero is it still worth playing?
What a wonderfully warm welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by WillDaSnail
Oh thank you so much!! You're so outstandingly helpful I do appreciate it so much! This seriously gave me great insight into what I was wondering about. I'm so happy someone so knowledgeable replied.
And agreed with the 2H sword kind of thing. Plus I kinda have a little romance with them because they're just so pretty! Hee!
Thank you again! I really do appreciate it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...l_image_33.gif
You probably can't Anego and you can BF a little later but being a Hero isn't too bad in general :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickish
Max HP at lvl 200 is less than 13k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
I know I asked this before but I'd want to confirm again.
Where should a lv143 BW paladin train at? (maxed blast,11 sanc, 20 divine charge, maxed ACB , 1 rush)
I've been thinking of skeles, oblivion 2 & oblivion 4, which one of them would be better exp-wise solo-ing ?
Where should a Level 89 Crusader train? I'm preety sure there's a spot better than Stormbreakers.
The options Im looking at, it seems like my only other option is Kents. Also, when's a good time to go to Gallopreas?:f6:
Bump for answers.
Crack sum goby houses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Combo
Another option for you is Elderwraiths at Evil Dead. Hella mobby place, I must tell you. However, I would recommend dragging along a priest (recommend levels 8x/9x/10x) to help along with mobbing, bless, and whatnot. Especially the bless part, as that +20 acc will come in handy; you'll be having a LOT of accuracy issues there, unless you're using some nice equips. Plus, the priest will alleviate your accuracy issues by helping out with the mobbing via heal (yes, Elders are undead, so they can be healed). That's killing two birds with one stone for ya.
Also, since they have an ability to follow you when they spot you ("auto-follow"), that's another plus side for you as you can gather large mobs w/o effort, besides burning a few pots along the way.
I was there fooling around today on my DK, mobbing with a Karistan (PA), and despite the fact I was soloing, it was OK EXP as I got about 15% in 20-25 mins. But it goes to show that that place still has a great potential for being a great training place, if you turn it into a 2-man (party) effort. Also, this will prepare you for the fast-paced environment of Himes training, as the map layout + mobs + damage dealt is quite similar to what Himes do.
Note: HH and BF spawns there. Watch out.
If I wanted max HP with HB (18750 HP) on a Hero by level 180, approximately how many washes would that take? How about 20k base hp?
I have no definite idea.......
But I just did a bit of number crunching, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say about anywhere between 180 - 250 washes (answering both of your questions).
Hey, just wondering why Paladins supposedly "suck" at bossing and everthing. A lot of the high-end bosses seem to be neutral, so Blast + Holy Charge will be at 770% per attack, and they sometimes have the advantage of constant KB, as well. Blast is also the same speed as Brandish. Yes, I know it's weaker than Brandish and Spear Crusher with Berserk, but they can't really be that far behind, can they? Why do they seem to be looked down on?
Because they fall slightly behind, that's how people judge things on maple. By the slightest difference.
Paladins also do 200k damage every now and then.
Off-Topic: Yay 600 posts!
I don't think the gap from 770% to 988% (Hero) is particularly a small one. And remember Blast hits 1 target, Brandish hits 3.
I have about 1.1b (maybe 1.6-1.7 depending on how much i sell my glove for). I have a pair of 120 weapon attack sky ski's, I want to forge an alpuchez, how should I go about scrolling it/forging it.
Spoiler
People who are most concerned about optimizing their spear would say to forge with an adv str, diamond, black crystal, and a stimulator to ensure the highest possible attack.
I myself just used str, dex, and diamond with no stim and got a 118 atk clean, but that was mostly a fluke.
If you want to scroll, it's probably recommended to use the Legendary Spirit skill so you can sell it off if the scrolling goes badly. If you're feeling really lucky and/or rich you can 30% the first slot of a few spears until one works and either straight 60, 50, or white scroll it to perfection. I, and I expect most people, just straight 60'd from the beginning. I managed to get 4 to work, and 5 more atk from levels made me the proud owner of a 131 atk spear :poast: Then again, I had a friend who made pretty good clean dagger, but only got 1 60 to work and no atk from levels so far, so it's pretty much luck...
You might consider adding amethyst for the speed bonus instead of adv. power crystal. It helps training a lot if you don't have 140 speed already.Quote:
Originally Posted by DustBunny
I long for the day when I can shed my PAC and reverse shoes for my maple cape and 14 speed shoes and still 2hit guardians :f4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shidoshi
I've got a 109/7 attack sky ski, and a 115/5 attack pinaka. The skis have slightly more DPS, but I use the pinaka since it will make me 4 hit typhons like 95% of the time.
Should I sell the skis? I don't need the accuarcy, I can get 17x with a MoN so that should be enough. And how much money could I get for them? (khaini)
Also, wich of these equips should I upgrade first?
9 att WG
6/3/3/3 blue belt
8 str 5 acc top (clean)
3/3 bottom
115/5 pinaka or 109/7 skis
7 blessing (I got a level 72 DW and 71 sniper, too lazy to train)
clean ic2
7 str shoes
dep
Where is the best place to train solo? I'm wondering because I can't always find a priest and want to use a 4 hour 2x exp card soon.
I'm hybrid.
What's the current Cookie Cutter Page SP build?
19/20 Mastery
20 Booster
30 FA (Save up and add 21/30 SP?)
3 Threaten
20 PG
Then 18 SP after that for what ever? Threaten post kMST Balance patch... Who would go Hybrid? I can see going Hybrid if Nexon combined all the charges into one: One Holy charge for sword and BW. One Fire, etc. o_o
CC is usually the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazzy
6 mastery
6 booster
max mastery
max FA (Either incrementally or by adding in all points in the end. Incrementally if you're planning on 1-3 monsters per mob, buffing if you're planning on using slash-blast the most)
3 Threaten
max pg
max booster
max threaten
Threaten is maxed last because it's not worth it during normal training compared to other skills.
So basicly, 99% of all Paladins have maxed Threaten?
Pretty much, since being hybrid provides no advantages, and only serves as a way to be "different".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazzy
Unlike a Hybrid DK, who have two specific skills that cater to one weapon or the other, each with its own advantage, a paladin has 4 charges that come in 2 different weapons. By becoming a hybrid, a Paladin is actually making it more difficult for themselves, since a BW charge and a Sword charge both add the same damage no matter which weapon you use.
@ kranten
why are you spearing at typhons xD with max roar you should be luring enough to almost always have a mob of 6+ on you 0_0
besides, polearm is much better for aggroing if someone cc's into your map f3 roar once maybe and fury the rest back at you xD
i personally have never tried galloperas that level, so you could try giving those a go...super crowded though. xD
and, himes + priest is almost def the best party exp, but i think typhons is a close second ... as long as you don't fall too much ~_~
although you should give gallops a go, the spaw there is quite good ;3
For those who have used basil may have saw this question yesterday but I'm just getting general consensis. Plus I find SP much more reputable in the logic department.
I'm planning on making an end game spear. I probably won't be oblivion 4ing frequently, mostly bossing and skelegons. My attack equips by the end of all this (excluding weapon) probably will be around 57 weapon attack on average by the finishing of my upgrades. Currently it's around 37. As you can see massive all around upgrade.
With that said, would a perfect sky ski be in my better interest, or a perfect slow spear (falt/reverse)?
Thanks.
Rough estimate: 100 att clean sky skis, +5 str 115 att clean reverse -> 145 att skis, 160 att reverse, let's say 161 and ignore the 5 str. You can also use your own numbers
Without SI: Skis operate at 990/930 premium so 6.45% aspd boost,
With SI: 870/810 -> 7.41%
1.0645 x (57 + 145) = 215 -> 215 - 57 = 158 att reverse to match. So reverse will be better in this scenario, but remember att pots will change everything.
1.0741 x (57 + 145) = 217 = 160 att reverse matching, so reverse is still better by a bit.
I did not factor in DEX, and in this case, it will favour with more attack, so for sure reverse is better. But as you can already tell, reverse is only better by so little, it's better to go with skis to future-proof yourself. And I don't even think you factored blessing or even att ring. (8 cape, 19 gloves, 8 shoes, 11 naricain, 3 lilin, 7 belt, 7 blessing from aran ring, that's already 63 att by my standard and that's pretty reasonable if you're thinking about perfecting a weapon) And this is without a warrior pot, so that's easily 75 att base without weapon.
1.0645 x (75 +145) -> 234 - 75 = 159 reverse
1.0741 x (75 + 145) = 236 - 75 = 161 reverse
So reverse still wins under normal circumstances. With better attack pots or apples, skis will be better. So it looks like personal perference to you, reverse will get like a couple more att from levelling too.
You'll also 1hko skeles a lot earlier with the reverse, but you'll never be able to sell it.
Edit: Oh, so you're Gemini. Didn't know that.
Well it seems at this point it's giving up a tiny bit of damage for resell value? Now my predicament is finding enough 50's in khaini to attempt this feat. I'm considering to go sky ski's because I can MTS transfer them through worlds and gives me more available 50's. However I can't do that with the reverse. I guess it's also impuslive of me to assume that the plat scissors are coming out with Evan.
So because of the limited 50's in khaini should I go with the sky ski's in order to widen my access to them, or suck up 10%'s. I currently only have access to 4 50's which will probably end up landing on 2. So thats 7 slot's i have to 10% spam lol.
I have, and always will be, an advocate for sky skis. There's so much to be gained through the additional accuracy and attack speed. A measley 10-15 attack from a higher level spear won't be as big of a factor in the later levels as you might think. If you boss a lot that makes your choice all that much easier.
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Originally Posted by ImagineAll
I second this.
Comparing a perfect ski to a perfect reverse in later levels is rather silly, as the DPS from the ski far outweighs that of the reverse. Just factoring in other equips, blessing, plus apple (which you'll be using the majority of the time while bossing anyway) makes skis the more effective spear. As for training, you'll reach a point where you 100% ohko skeles regardless, in which case skis will get the job done a little faster. 100% ohkoing chief oblivion guards requires a minimum of 50k x3 crusher hits, so you'll most likely be 2-hitting those for a very long time. In this case you'll opt for skis as well, since even in the lower levels 2-hitting COGs is incredibly easy to pull off with a decent ski.
Really never got in to the one hand sword bandwagon so i don't know much about them. So my question on what to buy/do:
What att does a Executioners and a red katana have to be to surpass my two hand sword which is 124 att u/h. Never really cared about my sword, pac,wg,shoes come before final weapon
Also what att shield should i get? I heard i need a 20+ shield and a 140 att one hand in order to even come close to a 2hand sword with 130 att
Executioners needs 6% more total attack, Red Katana needs 5.5% less total attack to match the 2h
Eg. if you have 124 (sword) + 60 (gear) + 100 (pot), 6% more would be 17 more atk, or sword+shield of 141 total. 5.5% less would be 13 less atk, or sword+shield of 109 total atk. Without Apples the executioners would need less atk and the RK would need more atk to match up.
Mmm, I'm pretty set on upgrading to a Executioners upon 4th job, but I'd like to know for sure what attack I'd need(provided, I've no shield yet) to match my current set up, then how much would be needed to pass it.
My current stats+weapon
My total WAtk is 127 at the moment, will be 137 by 120. My shoes are only 3/4, but will be switched with 10/8 Grabbe(if average before my gems/leveling) at 120. [Doing this to have DEX require for my NRW in case I need it for range, while being able to switch my PAC to a STR/pure atk one from DEX. >_<]
So yeah, how much atk would my Executioners have to be to match/beat my NRW, provided I won't have an atk shield, with my other upgrades(listed above) by 120?
Thanks in advance. D:
I'd stick with the NRW. You'd need like a 140+ 1h weapon (or lower if you have an attack shield) to match it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ¬Rob
130+ att 1H and a 15-17+ attack shield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
But what Kevo said: Stick with 2H until you get enough money (and hundreds of millions, literally) to upgrade to a decent 1H/shield combo that can match (or beat) the 2H sword you're wielding right now.
I do intend to stick with the NRW, but I'd like a 1h for later/to use when I'm bored of seeing the same weapon 24/7. But 140+ to match it? x_x
SP's damage calc shows I'd have 2575 ~ 4635 with my current set up and those upgrades at 120(without changing pac's).
It shows I'd have 2527 ~ 4530 with a 129/14 sword(9 60%'s on a 111/5 clean maker'd sword I don't have yet). Even though the ranges are near the same, I'd need the 1h to be 11+ atk stronger than that to match it? D:
Sorry, I've no idea on 1h vs 2h comparisons. ):
To be clear, I just want the 1h to switch up between it and my NRW to reduce boredom. :/
Will DK's ever be able to compete DPS-wise with Heroes and Paladins? Assuming all three classes are dexless with the best weapon they can use.
I want to make a DK, but I'm also a damage whore =[ I don't want to make one and make it godly, just to see some Hero or Paladin come along and kill my damage just because his class mechanics are better.
Is it worth it? Do DK's do alot of damage?
(Note: I only have a decent amount of knowledge about DrKs)Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSwing
DKs (or DrKs) can also bust out big damages. This augments during 4th job, but comes with a "hitch".
But besides the 4th job handicap, given the right equips, yes DrKs can shine DPS-wise. For example, if you boss with a good pair of Skis (high 11x att-12x+ att), have SI and Apple, that's the best DPS combo you could have for a DrK in a bossing situation.
Don't worry about being a damage whore, first thing. If you want to make a DK, just build it up step by step, and not worry about "great performance". Eventually you'll see the results you desire.