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Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Printable Version +- Southperry.net (https://www.southperry.net) +-- Forum: Maplestory (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=15) +--- Forum: Maplestory Discussion (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=31) +--- Thread: Are Warriors a Dieing Class? (/showthread.php?tid=721) |
Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Hero - 2008-07-10 Devil's Sunrise Wrote:What I tried to say was that people have "no problems" going dexless and getting 200 acc. Zhelms help obviously a lot. That's why I still blow them up. I was moreso trying to say that not everyone's capable of +5'ing a battleroad with 30%s and getting a scrolled pendant, but, the point still stands. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Germ - 2008-07-10 Oh, you have Godly equips. That's why. xD Get a zhelm and you'd be set for life on ACC. Especially with an overall like that. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Darklai - 2008-07-10 Warriors rock; the accuracy thing is really no big deal around the times you need it the most. That being said, getting to that point is long, tedious and boring. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - HiiEN - 2008-07-11 I believe the definition of "godly" can vary from person to person, where some people may find some items easier to obtain than others. It depends on a person's willingness and ability to spend time and money (opportunity cost, anyone?). For the most part, but not definitely, time and money are linked. As the amount of time you spend in the market goes up, so does your money (for the most part, assuming you learn the market) and the reverse can happen as well. Of course there are multiple variables that can change this, such as income from other sources while shortening your time and increasing your efficiency. With that said, I believe the number of sources to earn money goes up, so the accessibility of "godly" items will tend to go up. I'm sure everyone can agree that the standard of a "normal" set of equips has gone up substantially. People used to think clean zhelms were impossible to get, now everyone's scrolling them as if they were nothing short of easy to obtain. Overall what I'm trying to say is, given a bit more time, many of the things we find "hard to obtain" will eventually be taken for granted. People might think Horntail Pendants are hard to get now, but people level up, not down, and while it's a long ways down, eventually you'll be seeing squads left and right. Not to mention accessories might be worth a lot now, but given time for that as well and the market value of those will drop. As an easy example, dexless was thought to be impossible at the early days, only the few with the most money could pull it off. Now almost anyone with a decent income and a zhelm can easily attain dexless stats just by starting new or resetting what you have. On the subject of having to get over 200 accuracy, it's really not that hard considering the rate of accuracy and dex scrolls and items being released. With regards to affordability, it only needs a bit of time to stabilize in the market. Besides, I don't think we'd be getting the Temple of Time anytime soon anyways. People are just panicking way too early for this kind of stuff. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - xDae - 2008-07-11 Yes warriors are a dying class, because every warrior is born with a terminal diease.....tough break :/ Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - pootato - 2008-07-12 Lesson of the day.. Dont make a dexless/ low dex XD Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - JezzaRules - 2008-07-15 Thats why warriors should use accuracy boosting items (eg. snipa pill and maple pop)... Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - MasPan - 2008-07-15 Hazzy Wrote:True, getting 180, or even 200 accuracy isn't impossible, but to hit something with 70 Avoid, which isn't far away if they continue at this rate, requires 257 accuracy. o__o Pink Been/Bean has 55 avoid and a lv of 180, meaning warriors need to get together AT LEAST 202 acc at lv 180, with the acc requirement jumping up insanely every 5-10 levels, in order to hit it. Grandpa in Showa will never be a boss that warriors with any kind of reasonable DEX/acc will be able to hit. -edit- To Devils Sunrise, it's "easy" when you have a large amount of funding in front of you. For non-merchants (not EVERYONE can merch, or else nobody will profit from it, as somebody has to lose money for another to make money) or low-scale merchs, getting gear anywhere close to yours could take well over a year. To Cardboardsnail (page 2 or 3 or something) Chain lightning is about equivalent to Polearm Fury in damage, + having elemental damage and being faster. Try being a Polearm Dark Knight, where your best 1v1 attack will pretty much kill you if you use it with your only way to deal decent damage... Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - tougo - 2008-07-15 pootato Wrote:Lesson of the day.. there are so many ways nowadays to pump up your accuracy that your statement is not entirely true. Only difference is that warriors used to be a semi cheap class..and they are ending up needing insane funding for a good build. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - MasPan - 2008-07-15 tougo Wrote:there are so many ways nowadays to pump up your accuracy that your statement is not entirely true. Only difference is that warriors used to be a semi cheap class..and they are ending up needing insane funding for a good build. Last part is pretty much true - and even then there is no way to truly compete with the damage that NLs/BMs/MMs can output at bosses or Mages can do while training. Shadowers should be able to sympathize
Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Holypie - 2008-07-15 MasPan Wrote:Pink Been/Bean has 55 avoid and a lv of 180, meaning warriors need to get together AT LEAST 202 acc at lv 180, with the acc requirement jumping up insanely every 5-10 levels, in order to hit it. Grandpa in Showa will never be a boss that warriors with any kind of reasonable DEX/acc will be able to hit.i'm not a merchant, yet i have 2b. explain that Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Stereo - 2008-07-15 Holypie Wrote:i'm not a merchant, yet i have 2b. explain that Maybe you should explain that, first of all why it's relevant (since you're not a warrior) and second of all how it happened. I've never heard of someone who had 2 billion through any other means, except some of the people who sold Zakum helmets early on (eg. for 200mil each) and even then most of them never got 2 billion.. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Chompy - 2008-07-15 Stereo Wrote:Maybe you should explain that, first of all why it's relevant (since you're not a warrior) and second of all how it happened. Well.. All those people that horded the White Scrolls and made perfect equips.... They sold them for Max Mesos. But I assume MOST people with Max Mesos fall into the hacking/buying meso category. ... Really. 2bil is just SO FRICKING MUCH! Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - banditcom - 2008-07-15 Because of a few TOP LEVEL monsters having higher avoid? Of course they're going to have higher avoid.... You really think 38 is an end-game avoid for training monsters? They are adding more, so yeah it'll be higher. Is "dexless" dying? It'll be harder to stay there and still hit everything possible 100%. If HT pendant was upgradeable more than once, it'd still be the same to get to the newer acc targets than the current. Really, boo-hoo if someone has to resort to adding 20 dex..... sheesh. Try being a different class where you always have to reset points to fit added bonuses and re-add them to go to a new weapon that turns out better. It's back and forth to fit exactly. Whereas warriors it's just moving on down (or staying down) once you hit 119 or 129 base acc (whichever preferred), until you're ready to HT (in which you try to get the extra acc as well as being level 160+, or you just mob and wait till you get a pendant + upgrade for the extra ~28.6 acc from dex+luk). Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - ahoboandahal - 2008-07-15 Hero Wrote:Not necesarily hated by nexon, there'll always be a way to improve your accuracy. Plus, nobody's forcing anyone to go dexless. There's ALOT of things that can be scrolled for either ACC or DEX, so that's not really a problem. However, I do realize the community is starting to be more "meh" towards all warriors except DK nowadays (Mainly because they are needed for Horntail.)Im sure if the situation at pink been is dire enough, amorian baskets will come into play as will face accesories. The Situation is not dire though as most dexless warriors with 129 acc have not scrolled there zhelm for accuracy, even if 7 70s work thats another 20 accuracy. Face accesories come into play here as well, even a pure 60ed face accesory can be as high as 24 accuracy, that right there is 175 accuracy. Throw a sniper pill, or bless into that equation and a dexless top+bottom warrior can still hit pink bean 100% without an overall. Even then a dexless warrior could switch to an overall if he didnt want to scroll his zhelm or w/e. Even after that, with one upgrade to an ht pendant thats another 28.6 accuracy. As you said, there are plenty of ways to get accuracy for a warrior, it just takes some doing to get all that accuracy and remain dexless. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Holypie - 2008-07-15 Stereo Wrote:Maybe you should explain that, first of all why it's relevant (since you're not a warrior) and second of all how it happened. rock scrolls are the answer. it doesn't take much to make them, and they sell for quite a bit. they're always in demand, and with 3+characters making them everyday, you get quite a few. plus, i also sell the stuff i find training on my mage Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Luscent - 2008-07-15 Holypie Wrote:rock scrolls are the answer. it doesn't take much to make them, and they sell for quite a bit. they're always in demand, and with 3+characters making them everyday, you get quite a few. plus, i also sell the stuff i find training on my mage You honestly expect us to believe that selling rock scrolls is how you made 2bil meso? Please sir, show us your proof of your epic rock scroll selling, because even with three characters doing it I don't believe it's as easy to attain as you say. On topic: I don't see why adding some dex is a huge problem if you want to train at new things or at bosses. How is newer monsters with higher avoid killing a class exactly? There are plenty of things coming out that allow you the chance to add the accuracy you need and still keep your dex abysmally low. Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Stereo - 2008-07-15 At 15 a day, selling for 100k each would take 4 years ;| & by not much, you mean 9 jr sentinel shells and 4 each of red/blue per scroll. For the ~15000 you must have sold, that's only about 135,000 jr sentinel shells. I guess you could spend months hunting them ... Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Holypie - 2008-07-15 Luscent Wrote:You honestly expect us to believe that selling rock scrolls is how you made 2bil meso? Please sir, show us your proof of your epic rock scroll selling, because even with three characters doing it I don't believe it's as easy to attain as you say.whatever do as you may, i also said that i sold other stuff too, like a perfect omega spear i found while hunting birks Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Volg - 2008-07-16 -reading about the whole current KMST endpoint monsters- Good thing I went high dex!... Here goes my opinions... Being a warrior is great and all, but it's annoying when people go "Wut ur dex??!" "Stats on overall?[Well, it's now possible to STR one...]" It's just sad how everyone went from a normal typical player to hardcore damage whores... Either there are too many statwhores, or that everyone likes the flashy Bowmaster's Hurricane...NL's TT...ETC...Besides..with Onyx Apples..what's to complain about someone's damage[or what's to complain about someone's damage..it's someone else's damage!] |