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Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - HentaiKitty - 2008-07-09

Accuracy won't be a problem with all the new scrolls that have come out lately, Weapon for Accuracy etc :x

Warriors will live on <3

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Rei - 2008-07-09

Well the game wasn't really intended to support Warriors with 4 dex. x;
Either way, you can scroll basically everything you wear with acc/dex.

And they're fitting just about anything onto your character now.
Scrolling rings?
Scrolling bracelets?
Scrolling socks?
Scrolling the clothes you wear when you're 'naked'?
Seriously though, what else can a person wear? o_o

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - ยป-Chris-> - 2008-07-09

Maybe those item stone scrolling whatever thing could give some boost in acc... Or the timless armours/weapons... f3

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Wiire - 2008-07-09

It's true that you need alot accuracy nowadays, but look how many new Dex & Acc scrolls and equipments are released over time.

I just thought about this like yesterday and was like 'How can you not be able to hit everything nowadays?'.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Idiotversion - 2008-07-09

I like how everyone keeps saying that scrolling is the solution, as if we all had an infinite amount of money. Not everyone is a merchant with mules that are capped out on money and items and not everyone has the ability to spend their parents' entire annual income on NX. At level 85 I have 21mil and bought NX only once to get married. I don't have the money for a zhelm or any of those godly equips and I definitely don't have the luck required to scoll such an equip myself. It's really not that easy and I don't know how in the world some warriors are able to make so much money.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Bribery - 2008-07-09

Accuracy is really easy to get nowadays. Even prior to Helm scrolls, pendants, face & eye acc, there were a lot of people that managed to be dexless. Warriors with scrolled Horntail Pendants and Zhelms can easily have 139 accuracy without a dex overall.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Hazzy - 2008-07-09

Bribery Wrote:Accuracy is really easy to get nowadays. Even prior to Helm scrolls, pendants, face & eye acc, there were a lot of people that managed to be dexless. Warriors with scrolled Horntail Pendants and Zhelms can easily have 139 accuracy without a dex overall.

The problem isn't getting 139 Accuracy, it's getting the 200-250 that may be needed in the future. .__.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Idiotversion - 2008-07-10

Bribery Wrote:Accuracy is really easy to get nowadays. Even prior to Helm scrolls, pendants, face & eye acc, there were a lot of people that managed to be dexless. Warriors with scrolled Horntail Pendants and Zhelms can easily have 139 accuracy without a dex overall.

Again, you are assuming that such an accomplishment is easy. Who really has the guts to scroll a Zhelm? Someone with an infinite amount of money, which is not everyone. And Horntail Pendants, are they even being sold yet? It is way too early to just throw that is an as excuse to go dexless. Even still, you need to be way too high leveled to get one in order to make it really effective.

Plus, as Hazzy said, 139 is not going to be the max needed anymore. It will be much harder than it already is.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Zaotsu - 2008-07-10

Idiotversion Wrote:Again, you are assuming that such an accomplishment is easy. Who really has the guts to scroll a Zhelm? Someone with an infinite amount of money, which is not everyone. And Horntail Pendants, are they even being sold yet? It is way too early to just throw that is an as excuse to go dexless. Even still, you need to be way too high leveled to get one in order to make it really effective.

Plus, as Hazzy said, 139 is not going to be the max needed anymore. It will be much harder than it already is.
[SIZE="1"]Quite a few people scroll ZHelms. If you go with an active group and there are helms left over after buyers, usually the runners will allow people to scroll their helm with the security of knowing that they can pick another if theirs blows up.

HT Pendants are being sold in Windia, Scania as well, I dont know about the other servers, but I'd assume they would start soon if they haven't already. They are quite expensive though, even though I think Windia has the cheapest prices out of any server: 300 mil for a Pendant, 200 mil for the Egg.[/SIZE]


Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Idiotversion - 2008-07-10

Zaotsu Wrote:
HT Pendants are being sold in Windia, Scania as well, I dont know about the other servers, but I'd assume they would start soon if they haven't already. They are quite expensive though, even though I think Windia has the cheapest prices out of any server: 300 mil for a Pendant, 200 mil for the Egg.

This just brings me back to my original point. Not everyone is out merchanting 24/7 and not everyone buys mesos from meso farmers. Not everyone is rich, especially warriors. You shouldn't have to have 500mil to 1bil mesos and a whole lot of luck (not the stat luk) just to train on some higher level monsters.

The only way to really make mesos is to use the FM, but the only way to effectively use the FM is to buy NX, but not everyone has money so they need to use the MTS, but not everyone has rare items so they need to farm, but farming can take anywhere from one second to one month so your only logical option is to buy some good equips and scrolls, but you don't have any mesos so it just brings you back to the beginning of the loop.

The point is, not everyone has the money for a Zhelm and Pendant, and you shouldn't have to just to train on the higher level monsters. The warrior class is severely broken and it should not require you to be rich in order to succeed.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Stereo - 2008-07-10

I had a free Zhelm since 110 and I'm a white knight. I'm generally expecting to get a Pendant at some point after I max stance (153~160) and maybe have some points in Achilles as well. I don't think waiting until 110 for a ZHelm is unreasonable, it's nice earlier but not necessary.


It doesn't take being rich to succeed, it is required to be accepted by your peers though ._.



I did a little checkup earlier, with a near clean Zhelm (+1 70%) and my crappy dex gear (no accessories, 4 dex earring, 8 dex cape), 35 base dex gives me ~140 accuracy. If I need to hit 160 acc to train in the new area, it won't be impossible. I'll just have to start putting money into it again (I stopped putting serious money to it when I hit 139 acc with pills - I have excess because of my str cape/shoes/overall giving lower acc than my best options there)

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Idiotversion - 2008-07-10

Stereo Wrote:I had a free Zhelm since 110 and I'm a white knight. I'm generally expecting to get a Pendant at some point after I max stance (153~160) and maybe have some points in Achilles as well. I don't think waiting until 110 for a ZHelm is unreasonable, it's nice earlier but not necessary.

I suppose it is not necessary at early levels, but the point is it should not be necessary at all. There should not be just one item that all warriors need to even be close to the accuracy needed.

I guess I am just used to games with thousands upon thousands of items (aka World of Warcraft). I just don't like how you absolutely need to get a certain item in order to be successful in the game.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Nikkey - 2008-07-10

Hazzy Wrote:Well, as I was reading through some post, Hero pointed out the massive avoid Temple of Time Monsters have. Recalling that Leafre was very much the same, but lower, this raises a startling reality: Is Nexon going to create more and more high avoid monsters, to the point where anything under 100 Base Dex is impossible? This would either kill the class entirely, as the damage drop would kill them at Bosses. Leafre's top was 43 Avoid? ToT's top is 49. That's 180 Ref. Accuracy right there. Imagine 60 avoid, 70... Frown

Discuss? Big Grin
Not really. Considering I have 144 base acc without a zakum helmet, even, it'll still be "piece of cake" for people to get the accuracy needed.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Germ - 2008-07-10

I think the DEF from the zhelm helps more than anything. Especially WKs since we go to Duals pretty early, and those suckers hurt. ACC was never a real big deal for me, and I have 50 base dex. Just a dex overall and dex shoes pretty much did the trick.

EDIT - Devil's Sunrise - Are you using a maple weapon? That's probably why you have such high ACC.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Phoenix - 2008-07-10

With 55 base dex, wearing a top and Bot, I can get 192 Acc with MW 20. I realize this is far too much, and ideally would love to go dexless by level 156. With would give me 16x acc I believe.

This is with a HT pendant+egg, a +7 zhelm and dex scrolled warrior shoes.

So I can tolerate up to 45-50 avoid. More and I'd have to convert my alreayd non facestomper shoes to accuracy scroleld shoes. Anymore would force me to convert an overall.

So while we can tolerate it now, I don't like to see the avoid norm getting higher and higher....cause that ONLY penalizes warriors. From what I see, these time temple monsters aren't even dealing that much more dmg either...

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Nikkey - 2008-07-10

Germ Wrote:I think the DEF from the zhelm helps more than anything. Especially WKs since we go to Duals pretty early, and those suckers hurt. ACC was never a real big deal for me, and I have 50 base dex. Just a dex overall and dex shoes pretty much did the trick.

EDIT - Devil's Sunrise - Are you using a maple weapon? That's probably why you have such high ACC.

Not really.

[Image: dexeqptgz6.png]

Though, all these equips are getting kinda old, so I got to upgrade them. I suppose...

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Hero - 2008-07-10

Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Not really.

[Image: dexeqptgz6.png]

Though, all these equips are getting kinda old, so I got to upgrade them. I suppose...

Obviously you don't need a zhelm with an overall like that and a scrolled pendant Tongue You're just a special case that got a scrolled pendant over a zhelm. In general, zhelms help warriors alot.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - xCenario - 2008-07-10

I have 129 acc (normal) as a dexless sader (lvl 9x) and my equips are not worth more than 150m in all. So im guessing that those 51 acc that I will need can be with the new upgrades of my equips, and all. Probably nexon is gonna bring the possibility of scrolling ur pendant +3, which then will be mad easy getting to 180 acc.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Hero - 2008-07-10

xCenario Wrote:I have 129 acc (normal) as a dexless sader (lvl 9x) and my equips are not worth more than 150m in all. So im guessing that those 51 acc that I will need can be with the new upgrades of my equips, and all. Probably nexon is gonna bring the possibility of scrolling ur pendant +3, which then will be mad easy getting to 180 acc.

Yeah... +52 all stats would mean 67,6acc from an average +3'd pendant alone.

Are Warriors a Dieing Class? - Nikkey - 2008-07-10

Hero Wrote:Obviously you don't need a zhelm with an overall like that and a scrolled pendant Tongue You're just a special case that got a scrolled pendant over a zhelm. In general, zhelms help warriors alot.

What I tried to say was that people have "no problems" going dexless and getting 200 acc. Zhelms help obviously a lot. That's why I still blow them up.