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Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - maricelle - 2008-07-04
I think on bishop level, being normal luk/low luk is a big disadvantage, especially with all those new lukless bishops sprouting out, coming to your channel and start bragging about their pro lukless damage
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For mages, once elementar staves come out there might be a chance to balance out the int loss through luk, and both can be as strong.
Too bad there won't be a higher wand/staff version with luk other than dragon staff/wand =l which will put the normal luk/low luk bishops to everlasting disadvantage compared to the lukless ones.
And 80 luk for ddstaff isn't that hard to reach for a lukless one too. Just need the correct gears =/
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Lana♥ - 2008-07-04
How depressing. I really wanted to make a normal luk mage this new server <_<. Does anyone know how it is at places like JMS and KMS? Do Luk mages even exist anymore ;-;
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - »-Chris-> - 2008-07-04
[SIZE="1"]I'd say lukless mages have a definitely have a great advantage. The magic would be significantly higher with the same equips for lukless. As mentioned several times before the elemental staffs won't help this at all...[/SIZE]
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Blake - 2008-07-04
I am a low luk Bishop, and I think my damage is pretty okay. I do have a Doomsday though. Although.. If I ever get a fully scrolled HT pendant (Not likely), I will probably reset my luk to as low as it can possibly go to also get the benefit of the MW20 int bonus.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Stereo - 2008-07-04
DrRusty Wrote:Even though lukless will surpass normal/low luk with similarly scrolled equips, Its kind of funny how the top 2 "mages with the greatest magic atk for their lvl" are both low luk mages.
Yeah, and one of them has 2 perfect 30% scrolled items with a +6 30% weapon
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - LazyBui - 2008-07-06
Lana♥ Wrote:How depressing. I really wanted to make a normal luk mage this new server <_<. Does anyone know how it is at places like JMS and KMS? Do Luk mages even exist anymore ;-;
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EDIT: Stopped using this thing after it hit 120. 122 is basically just from questing and leeching some friends. Don't do any luk, do yourself a favor.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - throughglassdarkly - 2008-07-06
Absolutely, under no circumstances should you put even a single point into luck if you're playing a mage. I play on Bootes in MSEA, and right now it goes something like this - a clean lv70 Ice Wand (TMA 8x) gives more damage output than a scrolled lv92 14x TMA Pyogo Mushroom. I capped my luck at 40, and now it looks like I'm going to have to reset even that once I reach 130 and can equip the lv130 elemental wand, which beats adding luk to equip the lv 163 elemental staff (requires 165 luk) hands down. That 25% modifier has positively obscene results, and they probably know but don't care since it gets them a ton of profits from people resetting AP and buying gacha tickets to try and get that elusive elemental weapon.
The luk mage's only hope now is either an increase in the percentage boost on the 103/163 Elemental Staffs, which both require luk, or an increased effect of the weapon's attack speed on casting (I'm personally hoping the latter happens, since JMS supposedly got/is getting attack speed scrolls for weapons)
Also, for Bishops - the dragon weapons are not the final weapons. Timeless weapons are at 120 and require luk. Luk bishops will win as long as they don't get holy elemental weapons, which is ironic, since most of them have been clamoring for those since the Mage elemental weapons were announced. Why would anyone ASK to pay 400m for their weapons clean and then have to spend probably an equivalent amount resetting AP points.
Also, with regard to the Low/Normal Luk winning Pure Int in the long run, this occurs because of the Zakum Helm and the HT Pendant. Pure Int mages only benefit from a single stat (Int), whereas Luk mages benefit from two (Int and Luk). This results in Luk mages getting a 15/45 stat boost over their Pure Int counterparts, which, added to the bonus stats they accumulate from their equips, eventually causes them to overpower Pure Int mages. Either way, pure int is the way to go at first. You can add luk if necessary, but you can't unadd it without burning a huge hole in your pocket.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Secks - 2008-07-06
Lukless > Luk [imo]
Lukless mages are easier to make stronger.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Derimed - 2008-07-06
Bribery Wrote:How many Doomsday Staves do you see in the FM? How many Maple Wisdom Staves/Shine Wands do you see? This is why it is easier for a LUKless magician to be stronger. Their weapon is much more common and they already have a huge advantage by having a higher base INT.
There is always a Doomsday staff somewhere someday for the min/maxer. :XD
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Darklai - 2008-07-08
Ah the ever-so-debated topic. Well then, just to add my two cents...:
Power wise and money wise, lukless > luk. The bad thing about lukless is that you're stuck with the same looking boring equips for a long time, you lose 10% when you die, and you dunno if you're gonna be able to pull through way later in the future.
Regardless, lukless right now are a lot more convinient to most people for oh-so-many reasons. Personally, I prefer normal luk because I can equip nearly anything I want to without a hassle. I have fun changing my crap from time to time.
In my opinion though, low luk could be the best. Having just enough luk to equip some higher level stuff that's decently scrolled and no lukless could ever touch? I think that sounds secksay.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - JoshKun - 2008-07-08
Mira Wrote:When I go to himes, I don't care if my priest is Noluk or Lowluk or RegLuk, I just want a priest. I think people just overdramatize Luk. =)
u know... there are 2 other mage classes o.o and in 4th job the gap between luk/lukless is massive.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Bribery - 2008-07-08
MATK is really important for Bishops because the difference between 2HKO-ing Skeles and not 2HKO-ing makes a huge difference in training speed and the amount of meso you spend on potions.
A scrolled Horntail Pendant does bring LUK mages closer to LUKless but LUKless will still be a head.
Timeless Equips aren't the end game equipment for Bishops. They require 123 LUK which is quite a bit. LUKless Bishops are the way to go.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - ★tastie - 2008-07-08
just because you do less damage doesnt mean you cant play and enjoy the game. the huge emphasis on damage is ridiculous because its not THAT big of a difference. when we first started in gms there really wasnt any "lukless" and with that many/most people added luk as magicians which have now made them considerably weaker. personally if im already at a significant level, the attraction of a tiny boost in damage isnt going to make me spend real money to reset, nor would i restart. so what if i take 1 or 2 extra hits to kill a monster? the game doesnt end.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Pauru - 2008-07-08
In the endgame, I believe that low luck bests luckless, even if just slightly.
HT pendant and a Zhelm on average add 37 luck, then means you only need 43 base to equip a doomsday staff. Toss in some 6x/7x mage gear with luck, and you'll lower the requisite base to 38 or so. Taking out the minimum 4 base luck, that only puts you 34 points of int behind luckless. The difference in magic attack between the average 64 maple wep and a doomsday is 38, fills in the gap, and the int boost already present on 6x/7x int equips fill in for the MW advantage.
Not like 5-10 points of magic attack make a huge difference >_>
Just don't overshoot your luck, and you'll be fine. (Unless timeless mage weps can evolve to be extremely godly; but that will only be the case when and if it happens)
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - ★tastie - 2008-07-08
what do most people have their luk at nowadays?
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - EchoFaith - 2008-07-08
I would say that the general trend is newer mages have lower luk. When i made my bishop, i capped my luk at 90 because it was what I needed to wear my magicodar. At the time, only hackers actually had zhelms and dark scrolls weren't around, so it was actually a decent weapon. more recently, the ease of scrolling good weapons with dark scrolls as well as availability of zhelms means people are able to cap their luk much earlier than before. even if a player isn't lukless, their luk will probably be capped at a lower point these days compared to about 2 years ago.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Muse - 2008-07-09
Bws2cool Wrote:The only thing Luk is for is to wear armour. So if the armour is equal stats then the Lukless will be better because they will have more Int.
Since when was a Staff and Wand armour :f6:
Bws2cool Wrote:Some say LUK makes your drop rate up. Some say it doesnt.Nope, it doesn't.
Bws2cool Wrote:One other thing LUK is good for is that it makes you lose less % when you die.Thats probably one of the only downsides I can think to being luckless.
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - SackMaDack - 2008-07-09
★tastie Wrote:what do most people have their luk at nowadays?
what with the bandwagon and whatnot i'm guessing most are either set at lukless or something of that sort...funny thing is i had my cleric long before the bandwagon and i never played it till prices for int equips shot through the roof...
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - jessiebelle - 2008-07-09
★tastie Wrote:what do most people have their luk at nowadays?
I capped my archmage's luk at 60 (80 with equips), but my priest is lukless
Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass? - Lunare - 2008-07-09
My ArchMage is unfortunately capped at 76 =/ (remaking lol) while my priest is also lukless.