Normal Luk Versus Lukless; When do they surpass?

I'm sure we've seen threads like this somewhere, but when do Full luk Mages pass Lukless Mages in total Magic regardless of gear? Does it ever happen? If they don't pass them with all gear, what would the gear requirements be at significant levels? (100, 120, 140, ect.)

The only way I think they could ever surpass lukless mages is if nexon only releases normal luk elemental staves but not the lukless ones.

If both had equivalently scrolled gear, Lukless will be stronger all the time.

If both had equivalently scrolled gear, Lukless will be stronger all the time.

Even if the Regular Luk Mage has perfectly scrolled gear?

Even if the Regular Luk Mage has perfectly scrolled gear?

Well, a godly luk mage will outdamage a weak lukless. But like the other poster said, if their gear is on par, a lukless will always outdamage a normal luk mage at this time. There may be new content and equips released in the future that may change that, but for now lukless mages have a significant advantage.

Lukless will always be stronger

Especially once those high level luckless wands come out

Due to level 64 Maple Weapon, it's currently not possible to be stronger as luk mage than lukless, using "similarly scrolled" gear. There's a gap of nearly 70 int, with all gear improvements for eg. level 100 gear, you can get (due to clean item stats) at most about 45 matk back.


The only way for a luk mage to be competitive is to have the exact base luk that lets them equip a Blade Staff, and to be using a similarly scrolled one to the maple weapons (eg. 4x30% or more), along with all their other gear (Anakarune, etc.) being comparatively better scrolled to the lukless's items.

The only thing Luk is for is to wear armour. So if the armour is equal stats then the Lukless will be better because they will have more Int.

Some say LUK makes your drop rate up. Some say it doesnt.

One other thing LUK is good for is that it makes you lose less % when you die.

Hmmmm. What about Low Luk? Can Low Luk surpass Lukless, if they have equally scrolled gear?

As a LUK mage (I started in 2005 when it was the only real option.) the difference is not that huge. A Lukless mage who is the same level as myself only does 2k (average) more damage. Personally I don't think it's such a big deal, I like the fancy armor I get to wear and I'm fine with doing 2k less on my spells.

Even though lukless will surpass normal/low luk with similarly scrolled equips, Its kind of funny how the top 2 "mages with the greatest magic atk for their lvl" are both low luk mages.

When I go to himes, I don't care if my priest is Noluk or Lowluk or RegLuk, I just want a priest. I think people just overdramatize Luk. =)

When I go to himes, I don't care if my priest is Noluk or Lowluk or RegLuk, I just want a priest. I think people just overdramatize Luk. =)

When a priest becomes a bishop it can easily determine if you 3 hit or 2 hit skeles though...

I started out as a LUK Cleric because at the time, it was clearly the best choice. The best LUKless weapon at the time was a Yellow Umbrella.

Now I'm a level 13x Bishop and I recently reset to LUKless with no regrets. I went from 2HKO-ing Skele's 70% of the time to 100% of the time AND my new LUKless equips were cheaper than my LUK equips.

Like I said earlier, with equivalently scrolled equipment, it is impossible for a LUK Magician to be stronger. Just consider this: How many Doomsday Staves do you see in the FM? How many Maple Wisdom Staves/Shine Wands do you see? This is why it is easier for a LUKless magician to be stronger. Their weapon is much more common and they already have a huge advantage by having a higher base INT.

I started out as a LUK Cleric because at the time, it was clearly the best choice. The best LUKless weapon at the time was a Yellow Umbrella.

Now I'm a level 13x Bishop and I recently reset to LUKless with no regrets. I went from 2HKO-ing Skele's 70% of the time to 100% of the time AND my new LUKless equips were cheaper than my LUK equips.

Like I said earlier, with equivalently scrolled equipment, it is impossible for a LUK Magician to be stronger. Just consider this: How many Doomsday Staves do you see in the FM? How many Maple Wisdom Staves/Shine Wands do you see? This is why it is easier for a LUKless magician to be stronger. Their weapon is much more common and they already have a huge advantage by having a higher base INT.

They were just on the way to getting even when those maple wisdom staffs got released :p oh well, statless builds FTW I guess :o

plus you need to factor in the fact that when a lukless gets to fourth job and gets maple hero, it'll give them a bigger boost than a luk mage, I had a friend and she had an i/l archmage that was lukless and mine wasn't, and we were around the same level and my magic without maple hero was always higher than hers, but with maple hero hers would always be higher than mine because her base INT was higher

Usually they Regular luk will surpass luckless around 130 IMO, with well scrolled equips (DD staff)

[COLOR="MediumTurquoise"]well the mage formula is somewhat screwed if stats are only concerned. Spell mastery is the significant factor in magic damage.

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I don't think there is ever a time when Luk is better than lukless. Because of the way that the formula works, luk dosn't contribute to damage at all if I remember right. So the only advantage that luk mages have is that they can equip higher level armor. But that armor hadly contribuites anything to damage. If higher level armor gave better stats, it might be worth it to have a luk mage. Or if we didn't have lukless weapons, its espaccially going to be bad when the high level lukless elemental staffs come out.

I wish afrobean were here, I know he has crunched a lot of numbers in reguards to things like this, and his opinions are usually worthwhile to hear.

Many people have told me that in the long run, that Pure INT and Regular LUK are almost the same in terms of power. So if that's the case, then wouldn't Pure INT be the best choice as you get need fewer mesos to be on par with a Regular LUK, you have higher MP, and you get slightly faster training.

The downside is that one would take more damage and look ugly, which isn't the largest problem as the damage difference may be 30 damage and uglyness can be covered with NX.

I highly advocate Pure INT =D. Try it yourself sometime~