Which of the two Thief dagger classes now feels better to play?

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

It's still a good indication of damage. If one class does 50% more damage of another class, it pretty much means given equal gearing the first class will always hit harder unless the person is playing badly. The %s of DB and Shadowers were much closer, but Shadowers still gave the impression they were buffed enough that if you give both classes roughly the same gear the Shadower will win out in the long run. But again I got fellow Dual Bladers (some who also played Shadowers) prove me that Dual Blades are still better.

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I guess what truly creates a "better" class is the feeling that your moves are not only powerful, but shiney and chain together very well. Personally I've never felt a shadower's moves play off of each other very well, and usually you're stuck using just one move over and over again.In comparison with a dual blade who can use several different moves, one after the other with booster, a properly eliminate a group of monsters.
But if you sit down and compare a pair of classes number per number looking at it strictly from a DPS perspective, the idea of a class being "fluid" is thrown out the window.

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

It's still a good indication of damage. If one class does 50% more damage of another class, it pretty much means given equal gearing the first class will always hit harder unless the person is playing badly. The %s of DB and Shadowers were much closer, but Shadowers still gave the impression they were buffed enough that if you give both classes roughly the same gear the Shadower will win out in the long run. But again I got fellow Dual Bladers (some who also played Shadowers) prove me that Dual Blades are still better.

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Shadowers use different attack combos at different stages of funding, which means as funding increases, %ps decreases. Dual Bladers, as far as I know, use the same combo for all levels of funding. DBs also have an advantage where ranges are concerned, not to mention the secondary weapon.
Anyways, I'm just saying that I'm hesitant to compare two classes' damage based on %ps.

I know playstyle matters too. But again I weigh both sides. I won't play a super powerful one shot class if it attacks at the speed molasses or has a very boring play style. But I know that all that flashiness and pizzazz means nothing if I'm hitting with the force of foam pellets.

Well, you've already attained your answer from your DB friends, time to end the thread.

DBs are too loud while Shads are way more silent.

Like, seriously. :monocle:

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Originally Posted by MrTouchnGo

Shadowers use different attack combos at different stages of funding, which means as funding increases, %ps decreases. Dual Bladers, as far as I know, use the same combo for all levels of funding. DBs also have an advantage where ranges are concerned, not to mention the secondary weapon.
Anyways, I'm just saying that I'm hesitant to compare two classes' damage based on %ps.

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Considering that on ave a katara is going to be about 1/2 your daggers atk multiplying the %ps by 1.5 should get something much more comparable to shads %ps

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Originally Posted by RedRaven16

Considering that on ave a katara is going to be about 1/2 your daggers atk multiplying the %ps by 1.5 should get something much more comparable to shads %ps

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That's not precise due to att boosts from char. cards, cygnus blessing, dagger expert, etc., but yes - the att provided by the katara is deceptively large boost to range. Having a second weapon potential doesn't hurt either. As usual the explorer class is left in the dust by the CS-locked class.

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Originally Posted by RedRaven16

Considering that on ave a katara is going to be about 1/2 your daggers atk multiplying the %ps by 1.5 should get something much more comparable to shads %ps

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Now I'm sure that someone like JoeTang wouldn't overlook the damage boost of Kataras when he made his calculations, would he? :goggle:

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

Now I'm sure that someone like JoeTang wouldn't overlook the damage boost of Kataras when he made his calculations, would he? :goggle:

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Kataras are not considered in joetang's %ps because the boost in dmg the katara gives will most likely be diff for everyone :f3:

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Originally Posted by IllegallySane

Now I'm sure that someone like JoeTang wouldn't overlook the damage boost of Kataras when he made his calculations, would he? :goggle:

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JoeTang calculates %/s, not dps, which is all skill-based, not equip-based.