Masteria Expansions, Names and the proof for each

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Originally Posted by IsaacGS

He's not even an alien, he was a human mage who learned to turn his skin into diamond, which allowed him to travel through space.


As for the earlier speculation it seems wayyy off. The Versalians are certainly aware of our world, but if the Mayor had dealt with them he'd have recgonized Elpam as one instantly. Also, dimensions are different from planets or worlds, so Versal as an alternate dimension wouldn't have anything to do with stars.

The alchemist is a bad guy. For all we know (and it seems pretty likely) he was responsible for Masteria's disappearance in the first place. Why would he bring it back?


As for Elpam being a bad guy, it's pretty laughable... You have to think of this in the context of an MMO with a static world. If Elpam randomly defects at some later point, what becomes of his quests? What about all the quests that have his quests as prerequisites? Not exactly fair to cut people out of a pretty large portion of story when you take into account what all he's involved with. (The Mansion isn't an applicable comparison because it's self-contained. There's a handful of references to it here and there, but you can get by in Masteria without knowing anything about it. You could even call it filler. XD)

Because of this, I don't think that they will do anything so drastic. Elpam may be like, "I have a confession to make, I've been working against you all this time. I see the error of my ways and will instead help you now." But that's about as bad as it can get.

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well, let's just say that Elpam Gorlab isn't a bad guy.
yet- what's he doing in masteria? in the maple world?

and with who would icebyrd slimm doing the deal? the alchemist? then the dude is living since before the great war, or at least before masteria's disapperance.
maybe the deal isn't the bad thing, maybe it has a good purpose.
but the chance it really has a good purpose is so low.. because then i don't understand why we can't know who did the deal with icebyrd slimm, and what were they trading.
elpam gorlab and icebyrd slimm were in NLC since the release.. NLC was totally new. Elpam Gorlab is stuck in the maple world..
there are some connections here.. you can't just ingore that saying "it's much much over than what nexon would do".

well, it's 4am here. i'm kinda sleepy [finally!]
so good night everyone.

Perhaps Eplam was investigating the ruins of Masteria when it was teleported back into the Maple World?

well he 'said' transporting to NLC was a mistake because of the appearence of Amoria.

The timeline seems a little messed up, if NLC a year ago was transported back from Versal, how did the history of the Mansion and such come to be? They would've had to be in Versal. I know it's filler, but it's still an inconsistency.

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Originally Posted by Russt

The timeline seems a little messed up, if NLC a year ago was transported back from Versal, how did the history of the Mansion and such come to be? They would've had to be in Versal. I know it's filler, but it's still an inconsistency.

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The events of the mansion all happened a thousand years ago before Masteria disappeared. It's alluded to many times during the course of the storyline, and at the end of the quest chain it's revealed that they are all ghosts. It's not inconsistent (except for Tom, I'm confused about him. Is he a ghost also?)

Lol, I was always under the impression that it happened like 50 years ago or so. Meh, I never bothered to read up on the storyline.

And I do think Roads' theory about Elpam does have some sense to it. It isn't like we've never helped the wrong side in quests before. Alien Gray, Red Scorpions?

Is it possible that the people Masteria had been in "suspended animation" while in Versal?

That could explain why Lukan had no recollection of the fact he'd been in Versal for 1000 years and how he's still alive, and if Tomlin Prendergast isn't a ghost, that could explain him as well.

But what I DON'T get is, why hadn't these evil Versalians rob Crimsonheart's grave while it was in Versal? Is there some kind of condition that prevented them from doing such?

There probably is some form of protection on it to prevent it from such attack. I think I'm going to take a look at the graves again, where are they? xD

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Originally Posted by The Schiff

Is it possible that the people Masteria had been in "suspended animation" while in Versal?

That could explain why Lukan had no recollection of the fact he'd been in Versal for 1000 years and how he's still alive, and if Tomlin Prendergast isn't a ghost, that could explain him as well.

But what I DON'T get is, why hadn't these evil Versalians rob Crimsonheart's grave while it was in Versal? Is there some kind of condition that prevented them from doing such?

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Err, because when Bigger Ben was opened the pathways leading to the gravesite were opened as well. Perhaps it was discovered by a certain Baracade brother who ended up opening it.

As for the whole 1,000 years gig, it seems that Elpam has a fair ammount of knowledge about the uses of time travel. Now we know that while he knows a fair amount of stuff, whats the likelyhood he wasn't the first person in Versal to use these theories?

The versal grandmasters hear of a legend of an immortal warrior. They are getting old and fearful of death. They decide to hop to a dimension where this long lost fable came from. Insert attempt to pull Crimsonheart back to the world of the living by plucking him before he dies. This fails(blame amoria again...), bringing the wrong knight to the future. They figure there is one last attempt to find immortality, find the grave and find the legend.

Of curse this idea is dead because if they were really smart, they would have gone after the Barricade brothers for the location of the fountain.

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Originally Posted by Gearfree

Err, because when Bigger Ben was opened the pathways leading to the gravesite were opened as well. Perhaps it was discovered by a certain Baracade brother who ended up opening it.

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Well, the MesoGears area is the catacombs beneath New Leaf City. And New Leaf City had been built UPON the foundations of Olde Sapp Village. The catacombs contain some of the ruins of Olde Sapp Village, and according to the quest where you tell Jack Barricade that Crimsonheart is buried in the MesoGears, he says that Christopher Crimsonheart had been buried at his birthplace in Olde Sapp Village.

It wouldn't make sense if they had an underground village and needed to go down a tower to reach it; and besides, Olde Sapp Village is underneath what is now New Leaf City, so naturally, it hadn't been underground in the past and weren't in these catacombs. Therefore, it can be assumed Bigger Ben is a recently established structure, which happens to lead to those catacombs from the old city; which discredits the possibility the area hadn't been opened up yet for them.

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Originally Posted by The Schiff

Is it possible that the people Masteria had been in "suspended animation" while in Versal?

That could explain why Lukan had no recollection of the fact he'd been in Versal for 1000 years and how he's still alive, and if Tomlin Prendergast isn't a ghost, that could explain him as well.

But what I DON'T get is, why hadn't these evil Versalians rob Crimsonheart's grave while it was in Versal? Is there some kind of condition that prevented them from doing such?

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Well, there's another possibility we haven't really talked about much (though I believe it's been brought up before), and that is that the passage of time in Versal and the Maple World aren't the same. It could have been gone from our world for 1000 years, but only spent 50 years in Versal's time frame.

Still, if this were the case, or if they were in a suspended state like you suggest, you'd expect to see a lot more people still alive from that time period. you'd also expect Olde Sapp to be pretty much intact, which it obviously wasn't since they built over it. The only person we know for a fact was alive at the time of Masteria's disappearance is Lukan. While it seems likely that other people were at the time (Poor Athena pierce, first Ossyria cracks in half, then Masteria disappears. XD)

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Originally Posted by Rayquaza2233

There probably is some form of protection on it to prevent it from such attack. I think I'm going to take a look at the graves again, where are they? xD

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It could be that the Versalians didn't realize Masteria had appeared and/or had a chance to explore it until very recently, if passage of time is equal. If it's not equal as mentioned above, then that makes it quite a bit simpler.

You also have to keep in mind that while we can't read Versalian, they probably can't read our language either, so they had to deal with that for quite a while.

If you want to check out the tombstones again, though I haven't really seen much of a change in their resolvability, they take the path below the door to wolf spiders, and there's a stone on each map after that.

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Originally Posted by Gearfree

Err, because when Bigger Ben was opened the pathways leading to the gravesite were opened as well. Perhaps it was discovered by a certain Baracade brother who ended up opening it.

As for the whole 1,000 years gig, it seems that Elpam has a fair ammount of knowledge about the uses of time travel. Now we know that while he knows a fair amount of stuff, whats the likelyhood he wasn't the first person in Versal to use these theories?

The versal grandmasters hear of a legend of an immortal warrior. They are getting old and fearful of death. They decide to hop to a dimension where this long lost fable came from. Insert attempt to pull Crimsonheart back to the world of the living by plucking him before he dies. This fails(blame amoria again...), bringing the wrong knight to the future. They figure there is one last attempt to find immortality, find the grave and find the legend.

Of curse this idea is dead because if they were really smart, they would have gone after the Barricade brothers for the location of the fountain.

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XD that last part. :p

that's a pretty nice idea, though John said they hadn't found a way into Crimsonheart's tomb yet. I think solving the Tombstone Riddle will be part of the next CK expansion.

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Originally Posted by The Schiff

Well, the MesoGears area is the catacombs beneath New Leaf City. And New Leaf City had been built UPON the foundations of Olde Sapp Village. The catacombs contain some of the ruins of Olde Sapp Village, and according to the quest where you tell Jack Barricade that Crimsonheart is buried in the MesoGears, he says that Christopher Crimsonheart had been buried at his birthplace in Olde Sapp Village.

It wouldn't make sense if they had an underground village and needed to go down a tower to reach it; and besides, Olde Sapp Village is underneath what is now New Leaf City, so naturally, it hadn't been underground in the past and weren't in these catacombs. Therefore, it can be assumed Bigger Ben is a recently established structure, which happens to lead to those catacombs from the old city; which discredits the possibility the area hadn't been opened up yet for them.

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Well, it doesn't necessarily discount the idea. It could be that while they were building Bigger Ben, they accidentally discovered MesoGears beneath it. MesoGears would have been sealed off before then. As you said, MesoGears is a catacombs area under the city, and it wasn't built by the NLC citizens, but that doesn't mean they knew it was there. The Versalians could simply have not been aware of where Olde Sapp's ruins were located.

Prose said something about other areas (like affluent tower) being "expanded" storyline wise with CWK, what's the deal with that?

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

Prose said something about other areas (like affluent tower) being "expanded" storyline wise with CWK, what's the deal with that?

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Well I can't be sure about that, but I don't think he meant Affluent specifically.

We learned a LOT about Krakia in this patch. Before, all we knew was it was a lost town in the jungle that produced our Turkey Soldiers at thanksgiving. That gave us all the misconception that it was a really high tech place. TCG set 3 revealed that The Krakians (And thus Krakia) eliminated the Taru, which meant they existed in old times.

Now, we know that it was under the manipulation of the Alchemist, who experiments on anyone and anything, and created the Headless Horseman. We know that not only did they wipe out the Taru, but the Krakians also fought with Crimsonwood, which was an idea no one had previously suggested. We didn't know what the Krakians were, but we knew they weren't human. Now we know that they're sentient, strong, huge plant-people.

We also got a bit more expansion on bigger ben/MesoGears in particular, that the tomb of Crimsonheart is not opened and so we've got that to look forward to as well. Can't really think of any other areas though.

Is it possible the tomb leads to Olde Sappe Village, where some great secret that the Versalians need is hidden?

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Originally Posted by Rayquaza2233

Is it possible the tomb leads to Olde Sappe Village, where some great secret that the Versalians need is hidden?

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Olde sappe village was destroyed with NLCs creation though wasn't it?

Myabe that was a DECOY Olde Sappe Village, set there to protect the secret that the Versalians want.

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Originally Posted by Rayquaza2233

Myabe that was a DECOY Olde Sappe Village, set there to protect the secret that the Versalians want.

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Decoy? Who would bother making a separate town (and exhausting unnecessary magical energy)? Do we even know if the versilians were common knowledge 1000 years ago?

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

Decoy? Who would bother making a separate town (and exhausting unnecessary magical energy)? Do we even know if the versilians were common knowledge 1000 years ago?

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yeah. I really doubt they knew at all back then, either side. Even if there were people who did know, it'd probably be a secret kept for the strongest of strong (Grandmasters).

And perhaps the grandmasters told them to do it. (I'm full of conspiracy theories xD)

I think we should speculate away from "double agents" and conspiracies and whatnot. Nexon might try something new and interesting but for now we should just stay in the static NPC world we know now, because anything else kinda screws with it's dynamics. For all we know, the spy the versilians mentioned could just be a character we don't know about/won't know about.