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Dragon Ball The Movie - ShiKage's Review
#1
I don't know how many of you have seen this yet, since it's only out in Asia right now (no, I'm not Asian nor do I live in Asia), but I have to say that this movie was a bit disappointing. I had already held low expectations for this movie, being a huge fan of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, but this movie was disappointingly SHORT. The movie was only 70 minutes long (inclucing the 10 minute credits) and the acting was very corny. The fighting scenes were extremely short and stupid. Some things were completely wrong with the Dragon Ball time line, although some things were held to the true story (was expected). Piccolo was amazingly stupid... They really needed to drag things out a bit longer. They came to the point way too fast and things came together way too fast (sorry if that seemds redundant lol).

I'll leave it at that for now, seeing how it's a bit hard to talk about it without revealing anything to those who want to watch the movie. Overall, I would give the movie 2 out of 5 stars.
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#2
Yeah, I watched it the other night for the lulz.

I know very little about the DBZ world, so I can't sympathize with the fans who are pained over how they butchered the story. But from a strictly movie-goer aspect, it was absolute garbage. The only redemption for me was that it was a short movie (70 minutes if I remember right?).

...I had trouble laughing at how dumb it was even. Everything was rushed, all their attempts at action were terrible and the "romance" was retarded. The only good part was how they basically showed us that the promise of sex can inspire people to accomplish great feats (notice how quickly Goku mastered the Kamehameha once she offered sex as a reward??). Yeah.

Honestly people, don't waste your time unless you're insanely bored like I was. And absolutely do not spend money to see this movie. Pirate the hell out of it, if you must.
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#3
...Wow, this makes the 'Dead or Alive' movie (also a movie spin-off from the video game series) sounds like God when it comes to the 'Dragon Ball' movie.
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#4
FelixTM Wrote:Yeah, I watched it the other night for the lulz.

I know very little about the DBZ world, so I can't sympathize with the fans who are pained over how they butchered the story. But from a strictly movie-goer aspect, it was absolute garbage. The only redemption for me was that it was a short movie (70 minutes if I remember right?).

...I had trouble laughing at how dumb it was even. Everything was rushed, all their attempts at action were terrible and the "romance" was retarded. The only good part was how they basically showed us that the promise of sex can inspire people to accomplish great feats (notice how quickly Goku mastered the Kamehameha once she offered sex as a reward??). Yeah.

Honestly people, don't waste your time unless you're insanely bored like I was. And absolutely do not spend money to see this movie. Pirate the hell out of it, if you must.

This
is
bull
shit. Goku = pervert? Ugh. I ain't watching it.

Goku was always a naive person, completely oblivious to corrupt thoughts. Did you know what he thought as a 14 year old when he saw Bulma's breasts? He thought she had a 2nd butt on her chest. Even one time he thought there was something wrong when he sleeping on Bulma and was shocked to find out she had no balls like him. Biggrin

Found the 2-3 pages. lol

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Another page of lol of Goku's naivety

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#5
The second I heard that there was going to be a Dragon Ball movie, I knew it was going to be hilariously bad.
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#6
LOLlywood.
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#7
For all of DBZ's "educational/moral" posturing, they have a murderous genocidal bad guy as one of the good guys.

Vegeta on his way to earth blew up a planet full of sentient life. And he killed a lot of other people. I can't really see how Vegeta was any better than Frieza; the difference is that Frieza killed an "important" planet, that is, one filled with sayajins, and Vegeta killed a planet full of "nobodies." But then, in the history of genocides, all exterminated populations are portrayed as "nobodies" before the genocide actually occurs.

In a story that represents a less than fuucked up moral system, a character such as Vegeta usually ends up with his head on a pike. I am sorry, I found the moral education of the DBZ cartoon series a bit hard to take seriously with those little facts in the background.
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#8
Quantact Wrote:For all of DBZ's "educational/moral" posturing, they have a murderous genocidal bad guy as one of the good guys.

Vegeta on his way to earth blew up a planet full of sentient life. And he killed a lot of other people. I can't really see how Vegeta was any better than Frieza; the difference is that Frieza killed an "important" planet, that is, one filled with sayajins, and Vegeta killed a planet full of "nobodies." But then, in the history of genocides, all exterminated populations are portrayed as "nobodies" before the genocide actually occurs.

In a story that represents a less than fuucked up moral system, a character such as Vegeta usually ends up with his head on a pike. I am sorry, I found the moral education of the DBZ cartoon series a bit hard to take seriously with those little facts in the background.

I'm surprised you forgot... Piccolo and Majin Buu (Uub). They were murderous beings too, but they became good. How is that any different from other anime/manga where a bad guy becomes a good guy?

Digimon: Ken Ichijouji enslaved pretty much the entire Digital World, yet became a major help after becoming good.

Magneto: Villian/Anti-hero/Hero

Chrono Trigger: Magus, who tried summoning Lavos and who waged war against the Kingdom of Guardia killed Frog's best friend and countless soldiers who tried to go against him, yet you can recruit him to your side later on.

Gurenn Lagann: Viral. Now I've mentioned too much.

Hell, even the JOKER, in another time and/or universe, was a hero known as Red Hood.

Megatron at one point, worked with Optimus Prime to destroy a greater evil: Unicron.

Silver Surfer: Served a being who eats planets as meals, but reforms his ways and leaves Galactus. Sure he didn't annihilate planets, but he contributed to the genocide of all living beings on that planet by finding them for Galactus so he can replenish his power.

We can even go as far as for characters like Wolverine. He fought and killed many villains/anti-heroes and enemies. Did he kill? Yes. Therefore, we can see him as a murderous killer if we look at it from the enemy's eyes. BUT, in our eyes, we see him as a hero. Which is it then? Goggleemoticon
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#9
IllegallySane Wrote:I'm surprised you forgot... Piccolo and Majin Buu (Uub). They were murderous beings too, but they became good. How is that any different from other anime/manga where a bad guy becomes a good guy?

Digimon: Ken Ichijouji enslaved pretty much the entire Digital World, yet became a major help after becoming good.

Magneto: Villian/Anti-hero/Hero

Chrono Trigger: Magus, who tried summoning Lavos and who waged war against the Kingdom of Guardia killed Frog's best friend and countless soldiers who tried to go against him, yet you can recruit him to your side later on.

Gurenn Lagann: Viral. Now I've mentioned too much.

Hell, even the JOKER, in another time and/or universe, was a hero known as Red Hood.

Megatron at one point, worked with Optimus Prime to destroy a greater evil: Unicron.

I haven't watched DBZ for a long time, and I played Chrono Trigger a long time ago.

The answer to all these questions is that humanity has a morbid fascination with evil and an unspoken wish to be able to do it. The answer to why is very long, but they are seen as "overmen," breaking society's rules, which makes them "cool" and "strong." More explicitly, there's a side to almost everyone that wishes to kill his enemies and trample the bonds society has over him. Ted Bundy, who raped and murdered a lot of women, got a lot of marriage proposals on death row. The character of Hannibal fascinates a lot of viewers of his movie, though the creator said the cahracter was meant to be distasteful, and the creator was horrified with the way the viewers came to see him. Bonnie and Clyde, who were robbers and murderers were regarded as a sort of folk heroes. During Hurricane Katrina, order broke down in New Orleans to be replaced by a dog-eat-dog caveman atmosphere. More ominously, in multiple societies complex factors change "normal" people into perpetrators of genocide. Look up Milgram Experiment or Stanford Prison Experiment for psychological test validation of that. When you're given orders by unethical leadership, when you are subjected to peer pressure to do unethical things, when you think you will be punished if you do not do unethical things or if you get rewards for doing unethical things -- and teh government itself is unethical, the enemies of the state are dehumanized, and then murdered. A variant on that explains every genocide in history. Of course nobody here thinks it could happen to them, but under the right circumstances it could. People have some differences between each other, but a lot of things are very similar, especially in teh basic functions of logic and emotion.

I think cheering for Vegeta or Magus (or any other bad guy) stems from all this stuff. I used to like the characters of Magus and Vegeta because they represented "redemption" from evil. In Magus's case this is borderline tenable, but Vegeta blew up a fuucking planet. I was a little kid fascinated by the big macho tough guy. Now I have enough confidence to realize that people like him should have bullets in their heads, and their corpses should be tossed in a ditch. I am sorry, but you cannot rehabilitate a Nazi concentration camp guard or a Khmer Rouge thug with a gun. Killing defenseless civilians defies teh laws of civilization; there's an appeal to breaking such rules... and often punishment. Very well deserved punishment.
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#10
ShiKage Wrote:I don't know how many of you have seen this yet, since it's only out in Asia right now (no, I'm not Asian nor do I live in Asia), but I have to say that this movie was a bit disappointing. I had already held low expectations for this movie, being a huge fan of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, but this movie was disappointingly SHORT. The movie was only 70 minutes long (inclucing the 10 minute credits)
I'm not surprised that a DBZ fan thought a 70 minute movie was too short. I mean, that's not even enough time for two characters to stop staring at each other. </cheap shot>
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#11
is this that new dragon ball evolution thing?


once it hits us theaters, watch it kick jonas brothers' ass for worst movie ever.
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#12
Quantact Wrote:I haven't watched DBZ for a long time, and I played Chrono Trigger a long time ago.

The answer to all these questions is that humanity has a morbid fascination with evil and an unspoken wish to be able to do it. The answer to why is very long, but they are seen as "overmen," breaking society's rules, which makes them "cool" and "strong." More explicitly, there's a side to almost everyone that wishes to kill his enemies and trample the bonds society has over him. Ted Bundy, who raped and murdered a lot of women, got a lot of marriage proposals on death row. The character of Hannibal fascinates a lot of viewers of his movie, though the creator said the cahracter was meant to be distasteful, and the creator was horrified with the way the viewers came to see him. Bonnie and Clyde, who were robbers and murderers were regarded as a sort of folk heroes. During Hurricane Katrina, order broke down in New Orleans to be replaced by a dog-eat-dog caveman atmosphere. More ominously, in multiple societies complex factors change "normal" people into perpetrators of genocide. Look up Milgram Experiment or Stanford Prison Experiment for psychological test validation of that. When you're given orders by unethical leadership, when you are subjected to peer pressure to do unethical things, when you think you will be punished if you do not do unethical things or if you get rewards for doing unethical things -- and teh government itself is unethical, the enemies of the state are dehumanized, and then murdered. A variant on that explains every genocide in history. Of course nobody here thinks it could happen to them, but under the right circumstances it could. People have some differences between each other, but a lot of things are very similar, especially in teh basic functions of logic and emotion.

I think cheering for Vegeta or Magus (or any other bad guy) stems from all this stuff. I used to like the characters of Magus and Vegeta because they represented "redemption" from evil. In Magus's case this is borderline tenable, but Vegeta blew up a fuucking planet. I was a little kid fascinated by the big macho tough guy. Now I have enough confidence to realize that people like him should have bullets in their heads, and their corpses should be tossed in a ditch. I am sorry, but you cannot rehabilitate a Nazi concentration camp guard or a Khmer Rouge thug with a gun. Killing defenseless civilians defies teh laws of civilization; there's an appeal to breaking such rules... and often punishment. Very well deserved punishment.

Ok, you're REALLY looking into this too much. They're fictional characters. They're not meant to follow the rules so tightly. What difference does it make if Magus killed a country's worth of people and Vegeta killed a planet's worth? Am I now supposed to hate Darth Vader with a passion? Am I supposed to now want Hannibal Lecter hanged instead of imprisoned? Should I now be on a manhunt for the Joker? Should I have had the Riddler dead instead of having him help the police force using his brilliant mind?? They're fictional for a reason: they're meant to entertain people.


Spaz Wrote:I'm not surprised that a DBZ fan thought a 70 minute movie was too short. I mean, that's not even enough time for two characters to stop staring at each other. </cheap shot>

The only reason DBZ is stretched is because at the time the show was made they were forced to make new material because the manga was not completed at the time; i.e. the author was writing new chapters as the animators were simultaneously trying to make new episodes. Thus, forcing what should only be 5 minutes take up a whole episode.

The average DBZ movie is ~40-60 minutes, the longest being 71 minutes. I can bet you they still have more action and depth than this piece of crap that is a live action produced by FOX.
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#13
IllegallySane Wrote:Ok, you're REALLY looking into this too much. They're fictional characters. They're not meant to follow the rules so tightly. What difference does it make if Magus killed a country's worth of people and Vegeta killed a planet's worth? Am I now supposed to hate Darth Vader with a passion? Am I supposed to now want Hannibal Lecter hanged instead of imprisoned? Should I now be on a manhunt for the Joker? Should I have had the Riddler dead instead of having him help the police force using his brilliant mind?? They're fictional for a reason: they're meant to entertain people.

It's not just DBZ, it's a problem I have with anime in general. Like Gundam Zero has random people exclaiming "omfg you Gundam pilots are so gentle" but the series is almost entirely about them blowing up hundreds of manned machines which really pose no threat to them. Then you have crying freeman where some woman begs the main character not to let her drown, and he right there drowns her... and then starts "crying." Crocodile tears anyone? I'd say with anime stuff like this is the rule, not the exception. And little kids watch it, which to me is seriously disturbing.

Japanese animation is visually attractive but I seriously wonder who the hell thinks up this $hit. I'll take Garfield over this junk any day.
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#14
To be fair, Vegeta did die. At least twice. One time he sacrificed his life to try and kill Majin Buu.

But dying doesn't mean too much in dragonball. >.>
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#15
Even how much I hear this will fail... somthing keeps calling me to watch it!

Nahh, I'll pass. I do wanna see some of the fight scenes.
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#16
MaxHudson Wrote:I do wanna see some of the fight scenes.

Most notable "fight" scenes:

Goku beats up some high school punks...by simply dodging their attacks.
Goku fights Piccolo..."rawr I am both Goku and Oozaru rawr"..."IMPOSSIBLE"..."KAMEHAMEHA RAWWR"...Piccolo defeated.

Oh, and I guess you can count the scene where Chi Chi and Mai are fighting...but then she gets accidentally beat up by Goku.

<_>
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#17
I had a strong feeling that it would suck. I saw the trailers and was like, lulz. Oh well.
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