Democracy in Egypt or islamic take over?

Well it would seem that we have been duped again. Obama stated that the muslim brotherhood did not have the majority in egypt so they would not take power there and now we see that they in fact are poised to do just that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/...&ref=world

Yeah, totally Obama's fault:

In the early stages of the revolution, the Brotherhood was reluctant to join the call for demonstrations. It jumped in only after it was clear that the protest movement had gained traction. Throughout, the Brotherhood kept a low profile, part of a survival instinct honed during decades of repression by the state

Yeah, totally Obama's fault:

I didnt say that it was Obama's fault. I simply stated that he said they would not take power and they in fact are doing that. So what I am saying is that one of two things happened. Either he was misinformed about the group or he just lied. To be honest, I have not decided which it is yet as I am still digging through the information on this.

Or he made an educated guess and it turned out he was wrong. Happens to everyone.

I didnt say that it was Obama's fault. I simply stated that he said they would not take power and they in fact are doing that. So what I am saying is that one of two things happened. Either he was misinformed about the group or he just lied. To be honest, I have not decided which it is yet as I am still digging through the information on this.

I think you should do better phrasing your thread then. As fiel said, and as my post said, it was an educated guess on the current circumstances. Now they are taking advantage of it, as you'll read in the article, rather than staying out of it like they initially stated, actions justified this as well.

He likely stated that because the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood specifically stated that they would not be running in the elections for government.

I think you should do better phrasing your thread then. As fiel said, and as my post said, it was an educated guess on the current circumstances. Now they are taking advantage of it, as you'll read in the article, rather than staying out of it like they initially stated, actions justified this as well.

I did read the article. I also know that early on Obama was advised that the brotherhood had been seeking power for quite some time before and that they were not to be trusted. This is a similar situation as what we saw happen in Iran in the 1978-79 revolution. That was also seen as an anti-dictorial revolution but that soon turned to an islamic fundamentalist move to grab power in Iran. We also saw the same thing with Castro when he took power in Cuba. Castro said and did all the right things and once he had the power he quickly turned to Russia and sided with them against the U.S.

There are more examples but I think you should be able to get the point here. If you want to say he made an educated guess then he must have made one without listening to any of the people around him, who have seen these things happen before and are educated on this subject. Obama is not knowledgeable in matters of foreign policy and thus should listen to those around him who are. That is what is required to make an educated guess, something he clearly did not do which is why I left that out as an option.

He likely stated that because the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood specifically stated that they would not be running in the elections for government.

You are right in that, but they also said they would keep the treaty with Israel too and then stated that the people should prepare for war with them. The Brotherhood has a habit of contradiction. They always play both sides of the coin so they can jump to the side that favors them when needed.

You just don't stop, do you. This guy made a simple guess and it turned out to wrong. Who cares. Shutup for once in your life.

And answer honestly, are you one of those who think Obama is a Muslim?

You just don't stop, do you. This guy made a simple guess and it turned out to wrong. Who cares. Shutup for once in your life.

And answer honestly, are you one of those who think Obama is a Muslim?

First of all, a person in his position can not afford to make a "guess". He does not have any experience with foriegn policy and he ignores those who do have the knowledge.

As for your question, do I think Obama is a muslim? No and more over, I dont care what his religous choice is. I dont think he knows what he is cause has made statements saying he is (insert religion here). Even more to the point, it would not matter if he is muslim. Religous preference does not have any wieght in the matter. The only thing that matters is the fact that now we are seeing a new and quite possibly dark time for several nations including this one when the brotherhood takes power. This is a situation that will require a president that can actually take action at a moments notice and not wait for someone else to open their mouth first. I shutter to think about what Israel is thinking about right now because believe me they are probably right at the top of the list of targets over there.

Why can he not afford to make a guess about something his actions have no bearing on? What utter catastrophe has been initiated because Obama was wrong about Muslim uprising in Egypt? His guess is inconsequential, so get over it.

Why can he not afford to make a guess about something his actions have no bearing on? What utter catastrophe has been initiated because Obama was wrong about Muslim uprising in Egypt? His guess is inconsequential, so get over it.

Tell that to Israel when the Brotherhood decides to take action against them. We will be drawn into yet another conflict if that happens because we would be treaty bound to do so. So much for inconsequential.

Which is once again implying that it's Obama's fault. What else could Obama do? Or the world to do? It was a totally Egyptian affair. I mean, your opinion states that Obama has lied to you, but how can he lie about something he had no way of knowing.

If Egypt plans on attacking Israel, then Israel and the US will retaliate. I doubt that the Muslim Brotherhood can actually obtain total governing power though, you know considering that the revolution was sparked by the young secular population. I doubt they'll allow fundamentalism take hold so easily.

You should also realize that US-Middle eastern relations are incredibly strained. Most Middle Easterns don't really approve of the US's activity in the region, which is why Obama was so hesitant about entering the coalition in Libya. I mean what would you suggest your government do? Assassinate the Muslim Brotherhood's leaders? Have them "mysteriously" disappear?

Oh boy an Israel-Palestine debate. I just finished reading the Lemon Tree the other day.

Which is once again implying that it's Obama's fault. What else could Obama do? Or the world to do? It was a totally Egyptian affair. I mean, your opinion states that Obama has lied to you, but how can he lie about something he had no way of knowing.

If Egypt plans on attacking Israel, then Israel and the US will retaliate. I doubt that the Muslim Brotherhood can actually obtain total governing power though, you know considering that the revolution was sparked by the young secular population. I doubt they'll allow fundamentalism take hold so easily.

You should also realize that US-Middle eastern relations are incredibly strained. Most Middle Easterns don't really approve of the US's activity in the region, which is why Obama was so hesitant about entering the coalition in Libya. I mean what would you suggest your government do? Assassinate the Muslim Brotherhood's leaders? Have them "mysteriously" disappear?

Not once did I state or "imply" that it was the fault of Obama. What else could he have done? First, he could have listened to the people around him telling him about the Brotherhood. Then he could have taken that information to heart. He could have also put some pressure on the egyptian military to not turn power over to the brotherhood. He was told that the brotherhood has a majority support in egypt and he stated the exact opposite of that.

The muslim brotherhood has the support of several middle eastern nations and that is a problem. With our troops already spread thin, a conflict with egypt and quite possibly several other nations in the region would put us and Israel at high risk.

Yes I do know how the relations are between the U.S. and most nations in the middle east. They have been poor for some time. Obama wasnt hesitant about Libya for that reason. He didnt know how to react. What do I suggest my government do? I suggest that the leader of this nation stop trying to do things on his own and take the advise he is given by the people who know what they are doing. I am not saying that we go kill the leaders of the brotherhood because that would only create martyrs and you cant kill those. As I stated, we could certainly subvert their ability to rise to power. We have done it before, there is no reason it cant be done again.

My real worry here is for Israel. I dont think the brotherhood can harm the U.S. at all. However they can harm Israel and right now that could be the catalyst that lights the fuse on that ticking time bomb.

Tell that to Israel when the Brotherhood decides to take action against them. We will be drawn into yet another conflict if that happens because we would be treaty bound to do so. So much for inconsequential.

Oh my God. You have just said, quite clearly, that the Brotherhood are going to attack Israel because Obama made an incorrect guess about them. You are nothing but the perfect candidate for global ignore, and an all around moron. I refuse to further respond to your idiocy, as should the rest of this entire forum. I'm also concerned that you have reproduced.

No? That's not even close to what he said.

He said that Obama was incorrect about the Brotherhood. That's completely separate from his other argument about how now that the Brotherhood is going to go to war with Israel (taking his word for granted) that now we will have to fight with the Brotherhood. Two different things bro.

Why is Israel in this?

No? That's not even close to what he said.

He said that Obama was incorrect about the Brotherhood. That's completely separate from his other argument about how now that the Brotherhood is going to go to war with Israel (taking his word for granted) that now we will have to fight with the Brotherhood. Two different things bro.

I said Obama's guess was inconsequential. He said tell that to Israel when they're attacked. He has drawn a direct link between Obama's guess and Israel being attacked.

Eyes glazed over that post, but I am reading what you're reading. I think I'll wait for a rebuttal though.