30% Scrolls-For better or worse?

Well, I have realized over time, that 30% scrolls really suck. I've blown maybe 7+ MS Shields with them, trying to scroll something. It seems that whenever it fails, it explodes your item. Let's look at something.

When you add up all the %s, you get 200% in all. 70% chance of failing, and then another 50% chance of exploding. So if you have a 30% scroll, then there is a 120/200, or 3/5ths chance of you getting screwed. There is the same chance that it will just remove a slot, and a measly 1/3ths chance (roughly) that your scroll will do what you hoped it would. So if you really look at it, 30% scrolls aren't really the best option unless you have a lot of money to blow.

An example of the odds would be, say your scrolling a hat with 30% scrolls. Of three of the five scrolls, you will either fail and lose a slot, or the item will explode. With only 1.5 scrolls (not possible, but meh) you have a chance of success. Which means, unless you are super lucky, you are gonna explode your item, or end up with something horrible.

I don't quite understand your math there...

Anyway, 30% > 10% for all purposes except whiting.

That's why you only do a few with 30%... Not that hard to land 2~3.

When you add up all the %s, you get 200% in all. 70% chance of failing, and then another 50% chance of exploding. So if you have a 30% scroll, then there is a 120/200, or 3/5ths chance of you getting screwed. There is the same chance that it will just remove a slot, and a measly 1/3ths chance (roughly) that your scroll will do what you hoped it would. So if you really look at it, 30% scrolls aren't really the best option unless you have a lot of money to blow.

An example of the odds would be, say your scrolling a hat with 30% scrolls. Of three of the five scrolls, you will either fail and lose a slot, or the item will explode. With only 1.5 scrolls (not possible, but meh) you have a chance of success. Which means, unless you are super lucky, you are gonna explode your item, or end up with something horrible.

Umm...your math is weird...how did you get 200% in all? There's one scroll and if you use it, there's an 100% chance that one of the three options will happen...not 200% :f6:
30% chance of working. 70% chance of failing.
if it fails, [70%], then there's a 50% chance it breaks.
70% * 50% = 35% of breaking
So...30% work, 35% fail and break, 35% fail and not break.

You said 1/3 chance of actually working,boosting it to 33% chance of not failing:f6:

Too much text. Click, drag and let it go and hope for the best. All there is to it.

By 200% I mean there is 200% of %s itself in the scroll (50+50+70+30) =\

By 200% I mean there is 200% of %s itself in the scroll (50+50+70+30) =\

If you divided that equally(excellent)

-35% of the following possibilities:
-25%destroy
-25%lose a slot for nothing

-15% of actually working

=Total possibilties(100% where if not divided 200%)


P.S. I think I spelled 'possibilites' wrong

Sorry, don't quite understand above...
It'd be 30% work, 35% fail, 35% BOOM!

Sorry, don't quite understand above...
It'd be 30% work, 35% fail, 35% BOOM!

Im just dividing the 200% the TS got in half.

It either works or it doesn't. Who cares about the numbers? /end thread.

The whole point of Dark Scrolls is to put your items at a risk. Sure, it's great to have a higher percentage for a scrolls success, but the dark scrolls add a negative side to it. There is no "better or worse". You have a better chance for the scroll working, but you sacrifice that for the potential of the item breaking. Gain a little, lose a little.

Great, you can come up with exact percents, but that does nothing when you're actually scrolling. Just slap it on and hope it works. There isn't really anything else to discuss.

The way I look at it, 30% = 3x 10%, hence 30%s have 3 times the chance of working.

There are pros and cons to everything and for me...

Pros = higher chance of working (good for scrolling somewhat cheap items en mass)

Cons = ability to break (making it costly if you're not rich and are trying to scroll things that cost a lot in a clean state)

umm you're maths are flawed TS. if you roll a 100 sided die, and need 30 or less to land a scroll then it's: 30% to work and 70% to fail. then you have another dice roll if it lands on 30 or higher. this one is less than 50=use a slot, more than 50=bye bye item. that all happens in a split second and that's how it works

umm you're maths are flawed TS. if you roll a 100 sided die, and need 30 or less to land a scroll then it's: 30% to work and 70% to fail. then you have another dice roll if it lands on 30 or higher. this one is less than 50=use a slot, more than 50=bye bye item. that all happens in a split second and that's how it works

Why use a 2nd dice?

A 100 sided dice:
1-30 = Work
31 - 65 = Fail no break
66 - 100 = BOOOOM

Simple as that.

god, what's so hard to understand?
the 50% of failing isnt 50% of the total 100%, its 50% of the failure rate only which is 70% (cuz it works 30% of the time).
therefore, there is a 35% chance for the item to be destroyed and 35% for the scroll to fail w/o destroying the item.
same goes with 70% scrolls, they have 70% scucces rate and 30% failure rate, which means 15% of the 30% will destroy ur item while the other 15% will only fail the scroll.

try to not look at it as 50% but as a half.

Adding up all the screenshots I have taken of my scrollings, I end up with this:
30% statistics
Work: 60
Fail: 23+
Break: 19+

The 23+ and 19+ means that there are many undocumented issues. For example, if a scroll fails or breaks on the first slot, then I won't take SS of it.
Which means that in reality, I probably have an equal number of all of them. Which means, your math is really screwy.

Adding up all the screenshots I have taken of my scrollings, I end up with this:
30% statistics
Work: 60
Fail: 23+
Break: 19+

The 23+ and 19+ means that there are many undocumented issues. For example, if a scroll fails or breaks on the first slot, then I won't take SS of it.
Which means that in reality, I probably have an equal number of all of them. Which means, your math is really screwy.

I've used 43 30% scrolls.

3 worked
40 failed/broke

Something doesnt seem right here...

[COLOR="Blue"]In one of those things you're not supposed to mention where I waste precious time not playing GMS, I used 300 30% scrolls on over 100 MS Shields, and broke every single one.

</3 30% scrolls[/COLOR]

I've used 43 30% scrolls.

3 worked
40 failed/broke

Something doesnt seem right here...

No it is VERY likely that you could fail dozens of less then 50% scrolls.
If 100 30%s do not work.
# 101 STILL has a 70% or a majority chance of failing.
Infact it has a greater chance of BOOM than working.
Probability stands independent of itself (right? Right!)