Critical Rate

[sverreerik]

I am wondering about how Critical Rate works; especially in regards to the Phantom class.

Which Increases in Crit Rate are Multiplicative? Which ones are additive?

Explorers Ring, Sharp Eyes, Skills, Chain Lightning, etc.

Thanks ^.^

EDIT: In KMST 1.2.422 there is a new Adventurers Ring that stacks with the old ones. How much Crit from Equips is redundant?

[Razmos]

Aren't they all additive? I've never noticed any skills with multiplicative crit bonuses, there is no point.

Start with 5% + 40% Class skill = 45%
+ 5% Explorers ring = 50%
+ 10% Sharp Eyes = 60%

Some skills have bonuses like the BaM's dark lightning with +50% crit rate. 60% + 50% = 110% but there is no point of going higher when 100% will always crit.

I've heard that there is a cap of 95% crit through buffs, skills and equips alone though

[sverreerik]

Isn't phantom's crit. mastery skill raise it by 50? And they start inherently with an extra 10 percent with their skill link skill.

Does the explorers ring only raise it by 5% The description says 10. Same question applies to their skill link.

Thank you so much for the quick response, people here seem very knowledgeable.

[Razmos]

Oh you are right, sorry, i was using my Battle Mage as an example (and i chose a different explorer ring :P)
In that case, phantom would have:

5% + 10% +10% from the ring + 50% + 10% from sharp eyes, that would be 85%.
With a skill that has an innate crit chance, it would most definitely be 100% crit chance

[sverreerik]

;_; So OP.

I wanted to move to Zenith but the ring is keeping me back in Windia. :P

[McAwesomesauce]

Oh you are right, sorry, i was using my Battle Mage as an example (and i chose a different explorer ring :P)
In that case, phantom would have:

5% + 10% +10% from the ring + 50% + 10% from sharp eyes, that would be 85%.
With a skill that has an innate crit chance, it would most definitely be 100% crit chance

Sharp Eyes is 20%, unless you mean the Useful version.
But since we're talking about Phantoms I'm going to assume we're talking about stolen skills.

[Alloy]

Oh you are right, sorry, i was using my Battle Mage as an example (and i chose a different explorer ring :P)
In that case, phantom would have:

5% + 10% +10% from the ring + 50% + 10% from sharp eyes, that would be 85%.
With a skill that has an innate crit chance, it would most definitely be 100% crit chance

Right now, I have a 10% critical ring, and a 4% crit claw. Base is 5%, and the skill gives me 50% more... Right now I have 69% critical chance. But when I make a phantom, and get it to lv 70, I'll have 79%, and that means that if I get sharp eyes (buffed from a bowman), I'll have 99% CRITICAL. ON ANY SKILL.

Can't wait :D

[ShinkuDragon]

Right now, I have a 10% critical ring, and a 4% crit claw. Base is 5%, and the skill gives me 50% more... Right now I have 69% critical chance. But when I make a phantom, and get it to lv 70, I'll have 79%, and that means that if I get sharp eyes (buffed from a bowman), I'll have 99% CRITICAL. ON ANY SKILL.

Can't wait :D

tell me about it, i simply can't wait for the justice patch, my DrK will have:
5% base
10% explorer ring
10% phantom
30% dragon wisdom
10% zerk
---------
65% base critical rate, add decent SE for a whooping 75% crit... ON A WARRIOR, not to mention, crit damage is 120~150% of your normal damage.

+15% min crit dmg from wisdom
+15% min crit dmg from zerk
150~150% crit damage.

and on top of that impale goes from 135% to 180% damage, and sacrifice hits twice.

justice patch, i can't wait another moment.

[Razmos]

Sharp Eyes is 20%, unless you mean the Useful version.
But since we're talking about Phantoms I'm going to assume we're talking about stolen skills.

Oh right, my bad. I only have Decent Sharp eyes :P

Damn, that means a phantom with that set up (which isn't even hard, as long as you have the ring) will have 95% Crit. and thats not even including any crit bonuses from weapons etc

[Alloy]

Oh right, my bad. I only have Decent Sharp eyes :P

Damn, that means a phantom with that set up (which isn't even hard, as long as you have the ring) will have 95% Crit. and thats not even including any crit bonuses from weapons etc

Woah, that means Phantoms have 100% critical easily? That's carte noir EVERY hit.

[Blades4hire]

Woah, that means Phantoms have 100% critical easily? That's carte noir EVERY hit.

It only activates once per attack, not hit.

[Razmos]

It only activates once per attack, not hit.

Does that include Hurricane/Rapid Fire too?

[Blades4hire]

Every hit of rapid fire is an attack.
Every 2 hits of ultimate drive is an attack.
etc.

[Razmos]

So Carte Noir would activate on every hit of Rapid Fire with 100% critical rate?

*Drool*

[sverreerik]

And if noir crits it goes again lololol.

I have a ring in Windia.

[Atruya]

Isn't the crit cap 95%?

[Locked]

Isn't the crit cap 95%?

No.

[Sorien]

And if noir crits it goes again lololol.

I'm pretty sure there's been proof against this. If I'm wrong, or it's been changed, then that would mean a Phantom's dps would increase exponentially after every hit of any Hurrican skill if someone managed to get 100% crit rate on it.

[lorx]

So Carte Noir would activate on every hit of Rapid Fire with 100% critical rate?

*Drool*

Would probably be why all those KMS videos of Phantoms nuking bosses use Rapid Fire.

My NL is going to hit 95% Crit as well with Phantom's release, gonna be fun.

[Alloy]

I'm pretty sure there's been proof against this. If I'm wrong, or it's been changed, then that would mean a Phantom's dps would increase exponentially after every hit of any Hurrican skill if someone managed to get 100% crit rate on it.

Duh, if noir "critted" it'd trigger another noir... that'd trigger another...

Of course it can't, and if it did, it'd mean infinity damage per hit.