The pros and cons of all classes.

I pretty much want to say that dark knights are mediocre at everything

I disagree completly with Arans con of bad at bossing. It's not true. Keeping combo is easier than before thanks to it lasting longer, and combo recharge. Anyone who says they are bad at bossing really needs to change class.

Actually, I have a better idea.

Make each star related to a certain aspect.

1st- Bossing
2nd- Training
3rd- Movility
4th- Economy
5th- Party support

Or something along those lines.

So how could you tell if a class with 2 stars is good at bossing and training (e.g. most Warrior classes) or mobility and party support (e.g. Clerics)?

So how could you tell if a class with 2 stars is good at bossing and training (e.g. most Warrior classes) or mobility and party support (e.g. Clerics)?

I think this would require 5 bullets before pros/cons chart.

Example:
Mercedes

• Bossing *****
  
• Training ****
  
• Mobility *****
  
• Party Support *
  
• Economy(Class prices?) ****
  

Pros
<info here>

Cons
<info here>


Suppose you could make it look better then what I did here. I don't know how to make a drop-down menu so I just did it this way. You could create a drop-down menu within one and label it 'Ratings' if you need? Definitely going to need to explain it and what the stars mean first though.

I like how the pros and cons of F/Ps and I/Ls are completely different when most of them should be exactly the same.
Same survivability. Same buffs. Etc.

Extremely tired at the moment. Just read every post above this one so i´ll change/edit everything tommorow morning.

 Post-revamp buccs

Pros:
-Great HP/MP mildly okay HP, but godly godly MP. I don't bother wasting my inventory with mp potions.
-Amazing mobbing ability
-One of the best funding effective classes very very true
-Great horizontal movement when given mobs
-(Assuming somersault kick iframes are true) Tactical play style slightly preserved I managed to solo dojo. SSK is a life saver.
-Unique party support
-Can use russellon's potions to bolster damage in no 1/1 bossing situations
-Mid to high tier DPS due to great PDR ignore and critical rage i'd say high tier.
-Free mount
-Great approach options with double spiral and SSK
-Willow defense allows much greater passive survivability awesome on 1/1's
-Movement speed is on par with ranged classes with energy/dash

Cons:
-Peak growth is still relatively high compared to others, but lower than what it used to be
-Still very movable at bosses without energy, but the availability of energy is much better in any situation
-Slow movement without energy or dash we are literally the only job left without a mobility skill. even pineappleing warriors have it.
-Poor mob and boss management without auto-KB except in certain circumstances of mobs with a quick KB limit, like the yet-to-be-fixed Papa Pixie in dojo, that big blue guy in neo city, and Frankenroid
-Not much benefit from more crit rate it's quite a decent benefit
-Low avoidability
-No self sustainability well MP is entirely self-sustaining. fist doesn't consume enough MP to outweigh Endurance, and you don't even USE mp with energy blast

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So how could you tell if a class with 2 stars is good at bossing and training (e.g. most Warrior classes) or mobility and party support (e.g. Clerics)?

By reading the pros/cons?

lol at all the "arans has slow mobility" compared to other warriors(except demon slayer) arans mobility beats them, and "arans are bad at pvp" you just suck at pvp lol

lol at you.

Being faster than Warriors doesnt make the class fast at all. Not nowadays when pretty much all classes outside warrior and Aran have FJ, teleport or something similar to it.

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Pros:
-Great HP/MP mildly okay HP, but godly godly MP. I don't bother wasting my inventory with mp potions. True, i didn't realize we basically don't rely on MP at all, and endurance recovers it extremely fast in comparison[b]
-Amazing mobbing ability
-One of the best funding effective classes very very true
-Great horizontal movement when given mobs
-(Assuming somersault kick iframes are true) Tactical play style slightly preserved I managed to solo dojo. SSK is a life saver. [b]I still don't know when and where the iframes start[b]
-Unique party support
-Can use russellon's potions to bolster damage in no 1/1 bossing situations
-Mid to high tier DPS due to great PDR ignore and critical rage i'd say high tier.
-Free mount
-Great approach options with double spiral and SSK
-Willow defense allows much greater passive survivability awesome on 1/1's
-Movement speed is on par with ranged classes with energy/dash

Cons:
-Peak growth is still relatively high compared to others, but lower than what it used to be
-Still very movable at bosses without energy, but the availability of energy is much better in any situation
-Slow movement without energy or dash we are literally the only job left without a mobility skill. even pineappleing warriors have it. [b]Well at least we have range and two fast rushes
-Poor mob and boss management without auto-KB except in certain circumstances of mobs with a quick KB limit, like the yet-to-be-fixed Papa Pixie in dojo, that big blue guy in neo city, and Frankenroid Not sure why this is worthy of mention because unless you can KB the boss through damage alone it doesn't matter. Higher end bosses are basically impossible to do so and even then, there are at least a dozen other characters who have skills with more priority. Barrage was forced auto-KB with a long duration. It was way better.
-Not much benefit from more crit rate it's quite a decent benefit [b]Not sure how, at least for bosses. The first like 2 hits are all that ever non-crit, therefore more crit rate is only affecting those two hits, which is an extremely marginal increase in damage.
-Low avoidability [b] Misses don't trip iframes so i'd rather be taking less damage anyway. <3 +2 iframes
-No self sustainability well MP is entirely self-sustaining. fist doesn't consume enough MP to outweigh Endurance, and you don't even USE mp with energy blast [b]Valid point, glad to hear MP won't be a problem. HP on the other hand is really the main reason i wrote that anyway.

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-Summon might attacks enemies that one wishes to avoid.

Listed as a con for F/P, but no other class with a summon?

A few for F/Ps;
Pro:
Makes use of most every skill(that has a DoT) even in 4th job, so it's not AS repetitive, but better than 1skill4life.

Pro for all adventurers:
Shared CS inventory.

lol at you.

Being faster than Warriors doesnt make the class fast at all. Not nowadays when pretty much all classes outside warrior and Aran have FJ, teleport or something similar to it.

if you dont use (duped) snowshoes, combat step is about as fast as fj with practice and experience...

if you dont use (duped) snowshoes, combat step is about as fast as fj with practice and experience...

This is true. My aran might only be lv 92. (My second lv 92 aran)
But I can keep up with an NL with combat step if you are doing it right.
Also, editing some more stuff right now.

Listed as a con for F/P, but no other class with a summon?

Possibly because some of the other summons can immobilize enemies anyway, while F/P's summon can't. Phoenix stuns, Freezer/Elquines freezes. Still a good point, though, since I don't think Bahamut for Bishops can immobilize mobs either, but then again, I don't see a reason for Bishops (or even F/Ps) to run around with their Charizards anyway outside of actual training/bossing.

Either way, it's not so much a con as it is a slight annoyance anyway, because what enemies can you accidentally aggro that you can't easily take on if you're going through those areas at all?

And on that note, another pro I forgot to mention for both adventurer archers:

Their summons in 4th Job grant very useful buffs and are (as far as I remember) the only class that can do so.

(that is until the pirates get their revamp, anyway)

Marksman:
Cons:
Both snipe and pierce are easily capped thus putting more funding into a mm only boosts strafe after a certain point

if you dont use (duped) snowshoes, combat step is about as fast as fj with practice and experience...

I doubt you would be as fast as FJ with Combat step, in a normal training situation. There's the tehnique to jump rright after Combat STep, but yes, I have tested it and it isn't either handy or as fast as FJ. I've played Arans since the release.

And mobility isn't just about moving forward. FJ skills let you jump higher as well. Arans don't have a skill that would increase speed either. And don't forget arans also attack relatively slow. Aran is only mobile off a cliff or at el nath. I mean come on. If you get ksed when you're on Aran, you will know what I mean.

The problem here is that you keep comparing Aran to warriors. When a class is slower than 90% of the classes its safe to say its "slow"

Combat jump is as fast as flash jump... in near perfect conditions. You'll mess up the timing from time to time. There'll be lag. You'll be next to a wall/small ledge. etc etc.

I doubt you would be as fast as FJ with Combat step, in a normal training situation. There's the tehnique to jump rright after Combat STep, but yes, I have tested it and it isn't either handy or as fast as FJ. I've played Arans since the release.

And mobility isn't just about moving forward. FJ skills let you jump higher as well. Arans don't have a skill that would increase speed either. And don't forget arans also attack relatively slow. Aran is only mobile off a cliff or at el nath. I mean come on. If you get ksed when you're on Aran, you will know what I mean.

The problem here is that you keep comparing Aran to warriors. When a class is slower than 90% of the classes its safe to say its "slow"

I still wouldn't consider "not having flashjump" a con, I would imagine pro and con's would be related to their training ability and aran's have rush, the only other thing I could imagine is bad at rope climbing? A lot of the current training places are pretty linear, disregarding LHC, although it's not that bad in comparison.

I see your point don't get me wrong, traveling sucks for majority of classes in comparison to the new things legends get, but in terms of training efficiency I don't believe aran's fall that far behind.

lol at you.

Being faster than Warriors doesnt make the class fast at all. Not nowadays when pretty much all classes outside warrior and Aran have FJ, teleport or something similar to it.

you aren't playing the right class if you're a warrior comparing warrior speed to archers/thief lol, if you hate arans so much why bother keep playing it? and learn to control better?

i quit mine for demon slayer well 200 is boring anyways

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Well the crit rate helps majorly in non-boss settings, because all your crits will always be (iirc) 1.35x min to 1.6x max, and even higher with SE, dealing extremely high damage especially when you luck out 40% of the time ignoring all of their defense. A critical hit + guard crush is a maaaaaajor difference from a non-crit guard crush. Right now I have 50% base crit because of drpq knuckle and adventurer 5% critrate ring. Getting a phantom link skill is all I need to get 100% critrate with SE and dice (95% with single 4 and 100% with doubles). But like you said, after about 60% base crit it's probably useless on bosses to go any higher.