Koolk was arrested!!

My god that was hell reading this whole thread. Nexon don't have a reason to sue odinms yet. Also starting another lawsuit with koolk, would cause alot more trouble due to the fact they are busy leeching off other maplestory servers(maplesea and koreanmaplestory) and dropping their case with odinms, would cause another pain by sueing koolk. Although it would be easier for them to sue koolk since hes done alot more, but they just arrested him. That would be a huge pain. And remember they still have to leech.. So i don't think they will sue koolk just so soon.

Does anyone know if the part of the ToS that stated that players who buy/use NX will not have an unfair advantage over those who don't? If so, I think itd be just oh so ironic if someone started a class action lawsuit purporting that NX gives an unfair advantage over those who wish not to buy it.

Does anyone know if the part of the ToS that stated that players who buy/use NX will not have an unfair advantage over those who don't? If so, I think itd be just oh so ironic if someone started a class action lawsuit purporting that NX gives an unfair advantage over those who wish not to buy it.

The TOS never said it, Wizet said it, then Nexon took over, and didnt adhere to that statement.

Does anyone know if the part of the ToS that stated that players who buy/use NX will not have an unfair advantage over those who don't? If so, I think itd be just oh so ironic if someone started a class action lawsuit purporting that NX gives an unfair advantage over those who wish not to buy it.

Actually it would be possible to sue Nexon for false and misleading advertising, because they claimed several times that Maplestory is free to play and NX items wouldn't interfere with the gameplay...

Also, about damaging Nexon's commercial gains... I wonder how they would reply if you would reply with the question if they're referring to losing profits from Nexon's in-game online gambling system Gachapon. Since on-line gambing is illegal by law in the USA and a lot of other countries in the world, I wonder if damaging illegal commercial gains by Nexon also is Intellectual Property Infringement...

P.S. Yes, Gachapon = Gambling, it doesn't matter if you always get "something", if you also always would get "something" (free drink if you loose instead of 1 million if you win) in a casino, this is still considered gambling, therefore Gachapon = Gambling.

I will them I'm 11 and Fiel is my dad.

I lol'd

*Not sure if its about hacking their website, its maybe because of the Wz Repacker, because if it was for hacking nexons website then Zorita would of been arrested too.

Zorita has nothing to do with hacking website,the only thing he did was editing clients !

And,do you know Zorita?:O!

Actually it would be possible to sue Nexon for false and misleading advertising, because they claimed several times that Maplestory is free to play and NX items wouldn't interfere with the gameplay...

Also, about damaging Nexon's commercial gains... I wonder how they would reply if you would reply with the question if they're referring to losing profits from Nexon's in-game online gambling system Gachapon. Since on-line gambing is illegal by law in the USA and a lot of other countries in the world, I wonder if damaging illegal commercial gains by Nexon also is Intellectual Property Infringement...

P.S. Yes, Gachapon = Gambling, it doesn't matter if you always get "something", if you also always would get "something" (free drink if you loose instead of 1 million if you win) in a casino, this is still considered gambling, therefore Gachapon = Gambling.

never thought of the gambling aspect @_@ not to mention the game is geared towards 10+, you could argue that the game promotes underage gambling/pre-adult gambling problems! B> Class Action Lawsuits!

Actually it would be possible to sue Nexon for false and misleading advertising, because they claimed several times that Maplestory is free to play and NX items wouldn't interfere with the gameplay...

Also, about damaging Nexon's commercial gains... I wonder how they would reply if you would reply with the question if they're referring to losing profits from Nexon's in-game online gambling system Gachapon. Since on-line gambing is illegal by law in the USA and a lot of other countries in the world, I wonder if damaging illegal commercial gains by Nexon also is Intellectual Property Infringement...

P.S. Yes, Gachapon = Gambling, it doesn't matter if you always get "something", if you also always would get "something" (free drink if you loose instead of 1 million if you win) in a casino, this is still considered gambling, therefore Gachapon = Gambling.

-devil's advocate... except you're Devil... how ironic-

Your account and everything in it is property of Nexon. I don't think it can be considered gambling if you don't gain anything that you actually own.

-devil's advocate... except you're Devil... how ironic-

Your account and everything in it is property of Nexon. I don't think it can be considered gambling if you don't gain anything that you actually own.

Vegas is (supposedly) built on losers, and the addiction aspect falls on the felling of "the next one is my big ticket." Starting this sort of ideology is worse when started at a younger age (same thing could be seen with Pokemon cards and getting a very rare card)

Actually it would be possible to sue Nexon for false and misleading advertising, because they claimed several times that Maplestory is free to play and NX items wouldn't interfere with the gameplay...

I'm sure there are several reasons to sue Nexon if only the right person came along to do it.

This being a reason. This being another. Once, there was a post on sw about how a guy's paypal account lagged and he ended charging $40 when he was only trying to charge $10. But his ms account only showed $10 meaning he lost $30.

If time is money, and for ever 10% lost by a high leveled character is already hours and hours lost then that's a lot of money. Nexon has been "stealing" like this for years. I think a lot of players are waiting to see if what comes around goes around for Nexon.

a bunch of things

I don't have time right now to break down all of what you said, but a few points:

#1: I state what I state as facts either because they are facts or because stating "I think that..." before everything is stupid. For example, "Chocolate cake is disgusting." That said, the stance that I put out about the legality of IP infringement is not a matter of personal opinion, it is a matter of fact. You can be opposed to it, and that's fine, but IP infringement is illegal, regardless of whether you understand or are even willing to admit that it's IP infringement.

#2: Analogies do not work here, particularly hardware analogies.

#3: Gratis versus Libre: Read that. There is a difference between something which is free of cost, and having an open license like you're claiming is justified with anything released free of cost on the Internet.

#4: No, I do not work for Nexon, nor do I own stock in the company. I am simply a person in favor of intellectual property being protected, even the IP of soulless corporations.

All I can say is that the freedom of press overrules IP in many cases, especially when the publication only has the mere intention to inform their readers...

You do not understand laws. Read this: Fair use. "many cases"... hah! Weasel words if I ever heard 'em!

Actually it would be possible to sue Nexon for false and misleading advertising, because they claimed several times that Maplestory is free to play and NX items wouldn't interfere with the gameplay...

Produce an advertisement or official press release or public statement and you might have a case.

Also, about damaging Nexon's commercial gains... I wonder how they would reply if you would reply with the question if they're referring to losing profits from Nexon's in-game online gambling system Gachapon. Since on-line gambing is illegal by law in the USA and a lot of other countries in the world, I wonder if damaging illegal commercial gains by Nexon also is Intellectual Property Infringement...

Gachapon is not gambling. It's the same basic principle behind trading card booster packs. You pay a price and you get something. The something you get might be valuable or it might not. That's not gambling. It's easy to argue that it's not fair, but it certainly isn't gambling and it isn't illegal.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

And Russt, metaphysical arguments aside, it's still not illegal. They have actual machines like these. Are you not familiar with gashapon machines? They're not big in America, but the same principles can be applied to similar machines that dispense lower quality prizes (you've probably seen them at the grocery store), as well as trading card games as I said above.

edit: butterfli, the things you refer to are bad business practices, but they aren't breaking any laws. They make it clear that accounts are theirs and that Nexon cash points have no actual value. Them wasting your 2x you paid for means nothing, because what you actually bought was Nexon cash points.

Oh yeah, I forgot about StellarAshes. He's starting a new closed-source by himself, rewriting the whole OdinMS Engine. He came back a week or so ago.

1st post. Just registered.

Wow, Eugene is coding his own source? I remember he gave up on AuralStory a while back. I was a friend of his there. He was probably the best developer I've ever seen. But then again, I've never seen Fiel code a server before, so I wouldn't know who the best really is.

Anyways, I think I'll stick here for a while. I've seen Fiel on SW.net for a loonnngggg time, and I remember visiting the southperry forums a while back once, but I've never really joined here. I hope to meet some people.

And for some ODD reason, I remember "butterfli". I think it might have been from OdinMS? Same with Stereo. Orr, I think Stereo was from SW.net

I hope KoolK pulls through. He always seemed very nice. I remember when Titan wasn't even released yet. I was on their forums a lot.

I was expecting Afrobean to tear Devil a much bigger new one than that... As the kid of a law teacher, albeit not in the States, I have to side with Bean on this. Ignorance (particularly willful ignorance) of the law is not an excuse.

It really sucks for Koolk, though. Hope everything works out for him.

I also wonder how much money Nexon actually loses from private servers... My understanding was that the only people that go there already had enough of the regular servers, or were using both simultaneously... Kind of like a testing pad for classes before putting in the ridiculous amount of hours to get a higher level in the real version.

I was expecting Afrobean to tear Devil a much bigger new one than that... As the kid of a law teacher, albeit not in the States, I have to side with Bean on this. Ignorance (particularly willful ignorance) of the law is not an excuse.

It really sucks for Koolk, though. Hope everything works out for him.

I also wonder how much money Nexon actually loses from private servers... My understanding was that the only people that go there already had enough of the regular servers, or were using both simultaneously... Kind of like a testing pad for classes before putting in the ridiculous amount of hours to get a higher level in the real version.

would you know if perpetuating gambling devices/thoughts/feelings would be a hit?

1st post. Just registered.

Wow, Eugene is coding his own source? I remember he gave up on AuralStory a while back. I was a friend of his there. He was probably the best developer I've ever seen. But then again, I've never seen Fiel code a server before, so I wouldn't know who the best really is.

I'll tell you this much - I'm not good for server coding. I can tell you anything you want to know about the WZ files, how to update the encryptions server side so that the WZ files function. I'm also good for telling you where data is located in the WZ files, and some likely ideas for how its accessed and used in-game.

Coding a server? Me? Not a chance.

WZ files? Python? I'm your man.

And good to see you signed up. Stick around for a while, eh?

OHH LOL
nonono
it means "SUNDAY".
"the boy was arrested today (sunday) in the morning"..
א' = Sunday in israel.
ב' = Monday..

and so.. like that.

it's because we start the week in sunday.

edit:
the one who said "k = 11th grade"
so no, it's a mistake in the google translation. it's suppose to be "Y'a", aka "Yood Alef" aka "11" in the hebrew letters' count

Alef[א]is 1 in hebrew, as well as the first letter. Bet[ב]is 2 in hebrew, as well as the 2nd letter in hebrew.

Nexon can suck up all they want. It's only a matter of time before they go out of business.

Do you guys think the Vana would be next?

oh wao nexon

#1, Hi everyone, it's Macaroni, ZachNCheese, or however you may know me.

I was a GM, and now am an S.Mod on what used to be LocalMS.

It's kind of sad, seeing all these great progresses be destroyed.

First odin - but never fear, Local is here with a great new code, but no, we had to be shut down before we released it.
Now Titan? God. He was like, THE inspiration for most of the codes out today.


Eh... It looks like Nexon really is winning this battle against Pservers.
Damn them. I'll never play GMS again, no matter how hard the try.

I'm really sorry for derailing this topic but I'm frankly surprised at the off-handed hostility being thrown at Flowsion implicitly and explicitly in various posts. Even though Flowsion isn't a developer, he is the one meeting payments for server maintenance when the upkeep isn't being met. It's already coming close to the end of October and the month's donation is only 32%. That means that Flowsion will have to foot the 68% out of his own pocket because it's an endeavor that he enjoys doing. There are additionally unstated payments that he might have to make here and there but he's just as important to FlowsionMS as the developers who keep the game up and running.

Back on topic, it's difficult for me to really comment on this. Internet resources are always an open can of snakes when it comes to legal justice and moral opinion. Emotionally, I really did not enjoy my time playing Maple Story. It seemed like such a struggle to just have a decent conversation with someone and leveling was frankly boring to me. I thought the game was poorly made, yet I persisted to play believing it would get better at the end.

I think there are numerous ways you can twist and manipulate Nexon's TOS and free-to-play game mechanic. One could always ask the question, "What if we removed cash shop from our private servers? Would that free me from legal responsibility because I'm not stealing anything that it sold for profit at Nexon anymore, therefore I'm not stealing away from revenue." But ultimately, it comes down to the fact that Maple Story is an intellectual property not owned by you or me, but by Nexon.

And even though we can make better iterations of it, the base material such as the graphics, the executable files, and the programming was done by the company and not by private servers. It would take a lot of time and effort, but it would be so much more meaningful to have everyone pool together and create their own MMO instead of relying on Nexon's defunct and deformed 2-D game that relies on exploiting children and promoting values of escapism.

I have no doubt that it is extremely difficult to pool everyone together and to fund such an enormous project as developing a new MMO. But there are so many artists, musicians, and computer savvy technicians across these forums that I frankly do not doubt that it is impossible to accomplish.

The difference is waiting for Nexon to put another teenager in court versus showing Nexon how a MMO should be run.