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RIPGobies Wrote:Please enough with the "they're doing their job" bullpomegranate excuse. The fact that the game hasn't been shut down yet shows they're not doing their job. It's been 17 hours now since that thing went public, EVERYONE knows what's going on except the GM's as always, and the only thing Nexon has announced is the regular server check. I'm willing to bet the exploit is still here tomorrow. Even if they couldn't find a resolution right away they should shut down the game as long as they have to before they create a bigger mess with a lengthier rollback.
You doubt she's been in the game? Wow, you came up with that conclusion yourself? I doubt a single GM has monitored the game at all for quite a long time now with APQ, boat rides, every other PQ still disconnecting people by doing buffs. Horntail is still glitched. But the GM's sure are there to check for megaphones and ban people for cursing.
It's no surprise another exploit comes weeks before a major update; just like the Dual Blade patch, I won't be shocked if BB gets delayed as well.
Have you ever worked in customer service? No, than that's why you don't know what you're talking about. And I'll show that to you. Too further elaborate my point, Hime is a seperate entity to the programmers you are complaining about, who are dogs to the CEO's. You think either have a say on either? No.
Please learn how the pyrimid works before you give out such ludicrous critism for an individual doing her job as a forum moderator. That's all she essentially is.
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Who the f'uck in their right minds pays any attention to Hime or what she says anymore? The fact that this is not getting resolved proves that Nexon as a goddamned whole is doing jacks'hit about it.
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RIPGobies Wrote:But the GM's sure are there to check for megaphones and ban people for cursing.
Don't forget, they have to monitor mushie shops in FM for bad words too. I LOVE MAPLESTORY! :3
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Kalovale Wrote:The fact that this is not getting resolved proves that Nexon as a goddamned whole is doing jacks'hit about it.
I can just see their reply being something similar to what they have said before....
"Just because we do not respond does not mean we are not aware of this issue or working on a solution. Also we must consider our actions and act in the best interest for our player base and game. Shutting down MaplStory is a last resort and we do not like interrupting game service.
-The MapleStory Team-
Get Some NX today!"
Edit...Disclaimer. This is not from Nexon.
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What a joke post, you're honestly going to bring up Customer Service and Nexon in the same discussion? You're obviously the one who doesn't have a clue. I'm pretty sure I've worked in 4 different jobs in customer service before and I'm absolutely sure you don't hang up the phone on your customers nor keep them misinformed or tell them there won't be anymore discussions about this certain issue anymore and that they don't want to hear about it anymore. That's like calling your cable company and telling them your cable has been shut down and they respond with, thanks for informing me for the potential issue, but we won't be discussing with you on the matter anymore nor do we want any discussions at all about it, BYE.
But keep talking out of your ass DustBunny. Nexon has had years of poor customer service and you're trying to bring those things together? Please, I don't even know why I bother replying to you. I'm just going to do like Hime and not even discuss about this anymore.
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RIPGobies Wrote:What a joke post, you're honestly going to bring up Customer Service and Nexon in the same discussion? You're obviously the one who doesn't have a clue. I'm pretty sure I've worked in 4 different jobs in customer service before and I'm absolutely sure you don't hang up the phone on your customers nor keep them misinformed or tell them there won't be anymore discussions about this certain issue anymore and that they don't want to hear about it anymore. That's like calling your cable company and telling them your cable has been shut down and they respond with, thanks for informing me for the potential issue, but we won't be discussing with you on the matter anymore nor do we want any discussions at all about it, BYE.
:f6: You just described EXACTY how Nexon operates and responds to customers.
I'm sure if you spent any time on Nexon's forums you will see that is indeed how they operate. Hime is just doing/acting as she is told as DustBunny said.
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RIPGobies Wrote:What a joke post, you're honestly going to bring up Customer Service and Nexon in the same discussion? You're obviously the one who doesn't have a clue. I'm pretty sure I've worked in 4 different jobs in customer service before and I'm absolutely sure you don't hang up the phone on your customers nor keep them misinformed or tell them there won't be anymore discussions about this certain issue anymore and that they don't want to hear about it anymore. That's like calling your cable company and telling them your cable has been shut down and they respond with, thanks for informing me for the potential issue, but we won't be discussing with you on the matter anymore nor do we want any discussions at all about it, BYE.
But keep talking out of your ass DustBunny. Nexon has had years of poor customer service and you're trying to bring those things together? Please, I don't even know why I bother replying to you. I'm just going to do like Hime and not even discuss about this anymore.
Then allow me to educate you.
Nexon/Google/Msn any free service that gives you the option to pay is not obligated to give any customer service. You go find me any real life support besides FAQ's for google's Gmail system and I'll drop the discussion. I think you need to reevalute your argument because it sound's like you don't know what you're trying to debate here.
Nexon is run by a boss, the boss has people program his game, he pays them and they work. You then have representatives who keep in touch with the community, this is called customer support. This involves a ticketing system, which is where people essentially report outside of game, or contact GM's with problems. You then have Hime, who is used to moderate the forum's, keep it clean and unchaotic. That's her purpose, she tries to help the community out and I'm sure asks around about content, and may get it confused down the line.
Yet, here you are acting like you understand as if "Hey guys, I'm the only one with common sense!". Yet if you did apply forementioned you'd realize the game adminstrators just have authority, not hands on press a button and magic happens. Sure there are instances where they compensate and log in themselves, but private serves gave us an understanding of how that works.
To even further elaborate on your hypocritical baseless retort against me, Maplestory was made for an XP operating system. Converting isn't as easy as pushing a few buttons and changing a few codes. It should be top priority, but once again, that isn't the GM's/Programmers/Hime's fault, its the owner of Nexon America and his board, so if you're going to peach, peach at him, not on an employee doing as her employer intends for her to do.
Thank you.
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Stupid isn't the right word to describe -Hime-
She's a lacky? a pawn? a figurehead if you want to be generous, a face for the company that has no real power.
I'm shocked they haven't taken the game down yet. Regardless of what their response to this is gonna be (all signs point to rb) they need to be aware of the situation before they can do anything to remedy it. The longer it goes on the more and more fucked up the game is gonna get the more likely drastic measures are gonna need to be taken to fix the issue.
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RIPGobies Wrote:What a joke post, you're honestly going to bring up Customer Service and Nexon in the same discussion? You're obviously the one who doesn't have a clue. I'm pretty sure I've worked in 4 different jobs in customer service before and I'm absolutely sure you don't hang up the phone on your customers nor keep them misinformed or tell them there won't be anymore discussions about this certain issue anymore and that they don't want to hear about it anymore. That's like calling your cable company and telling them your cable has been shut down and they respond with, thanks for informing me for the potential issue, but we won't be discussing with you on the matter anymore nor do we want any discussions at all about it, BYE.
But keep talking out of your ass DustBunny. Nexon has had years of poor customer service and you're trying to bring those things together? Please, I don't even know why I bother replying to you. I'm just going to do like Hime and not even discuss about this anymore.
The problem here is, with your customer service,you probably were given a decent amount of information to actually work with to properly tell concerned customers what's going on. And telling people things that you made up or assumed but were actually incorrect was a risk that would likely get you in trouble. And if your boss told you not to mention something to customers, you damn well better not mention it.
How do we know how -hime- has it as easy as the average customer service job? For all we know the programmers and other technical staff at Nexon might be pretty bad with english and the language barrier may be causing communication issues. Or there's some reason out of her control that she has to fail at handling situations like this? Sometimes singling a person out in a company like that just plain isn't fair cause you never know.
I've worked a retail job where corporate commanded we can't do this or that for customers, and often times customers put the blame and insults on us as if its our faults personally when there's actually reasons out of our control: I'm used to it by now but its still very irritiating. Odds are you only got singled out forcalling her an idiot cause it sounds very similar to that scenario, nothing more nothing less.
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dpeterlin Wrote:Stupid isn't the right word to describe -Hime-
She's a lacky? a pawn? a figurehead if you want to be generous, a face for the company that has no real power.
I'm shocked they haven't taken the game down yet. Regardless of what their response to this is gonna be (all signs point to rb) they need to be aware of the situation before they can do anything to remedy it. The longer it goes on the more and more fucked up the game is gonna get the more likely drastic measures are gonna need to be taken to fix the issue.
Ey the only common sensible thing I can imagine is they want a solution before they close it so they minimize the damages, which contradicts because of the chance of the roll back. However closing a game down at peak hours in cali, and closing it at ridiculous hours are both things they really wouldn't want to do. Considering that most hours of the programmers I recall reading is like 10am to 6pm, PST.
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A roll back would be stupid..They would have to roll back to the day the patch surfaced if they wish to stop this from ever happening. Think about it.
OR they could fix the double logging and then remove the mesos then let it all blow over.
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SwordStaker Wrote:A roll back would be stupid..They would have to roll back to the day the patch surfaced if they wish to stop this from ever happening. Think about it
Not really, the hack wasn't public until just yesterday, Nexon obviously wont roll every thing back to 2 weeks ago. The most viable solution would be roll every thing back to monday's morning. that and banning any account RoliRix / danspoor have ever used should help sinking most of the mesos generated by this issue.
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byakugan Wrote:Not really, the hack wasn't public until just yesterday, Nexon obviously wont roll every thing back to 2 weeks ago. The most viable solution would be roll every thing back to monday's morning. that and banning any account RoliRix / danspoor have ever used should help sinking most of the mesos generated by this issue. So it IS a hack? I thought it was from the dual logging and just duping. Thats what I've been told.
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oh WOW. I just came home from a meeting and expected the servers to at least be down.
I am kinda shocked now and curious as to what is going to happen. Its too late for a rollback, so we are looking at hellbanning now. Even if they delete the mesos, and ban the involved accounts, people have made LOADS of mule accounts to duey expensive items too. No one whom took advantage of this left mesos on their toon. All the items were MTSed or dueyed through mules. Its pretty easy to avoid a hellban if you are smart, even if you came across loads of illegit mesos, and still make out like a bandit in the end.
Once again, the only people whom get punished are those that accidentally get caught up in everything >__<
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How do you figure it's too late for a rollback?
On the contrary, because it was left to go so long and, as you pointed out, everyone moved their duped meso and goods to mules and such, it's too late for anything but a rollback.
Any attempt to surgically remove "tainted meso" while causing minimal disruption will result in much worse mayhem (and, again as you said, only the innocent will actually suffer).
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If nexon NA is stupid enough to do nothing like NexonEU did, the economy will pineapple up like in EMS.. a few months after the meso exploit in EMS you still see zhelms for 60mil ... You still see apples for 6 mil, you still see steely's for 4 mil etc..
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Kreeftje Wrote:If nexon NA is stupid enough to do nothing like NexonEU did, the economy will pineapple up like in EMS.. a few months after the meso exploit in EMS you still see zhelms for 60mil ... You still see apples for 6 mil, you still see steely's for 4 mil etc..
Our apples are up to 10m, dont feel too bad...LOL
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Kreeftje Wrote:If nexon NA is stupid enough to do nothing like NexonEU did, the economy will pineapple up like in EMS.. a few months after the meso exploit in EMS you still see zhelms for 60mil ... You still see apples for 6 mil, you still see steely's for 4 mil etc..
Thats what Khainis economy was like before the exploit LOL Cept as Dustin said apples are 10m.
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byakugan Wrote:Well hime just posted on some one's thread in Nexon's forum prohibiting to talk about this and thanking for informing about something that "MIGHT BE" dangerous.
fking b'itch.
First, I do think it's complete bullpomegranate we have no information at this point.
You know Hime is a forum moderator who works for Nexon, She has guidelines to follow just like employees at taco bell. Hime does not Run nexon She doesnt have a magic fix everything button at the nexon head quarters. She has nothing to do with the programming of the game, she is a public relations person and a forum mod. When she is told what will happen and she is told to make an announcement about it she will. If her employer tells her to quell the community by not allowing post about this issue on the forum, what do you think she is going to do. Hime is not NEXON, she is an employee who communicates with the public when she is told too. When your boss says, do this, you do it, or you look for another job.
To blame Hime for anything other then doing her job is just completely ignorant.
SaptaZapta Wrote:How do you figure it's too late for a rollback?
On the contrary, because it was left to go so long and, as you pointed out, everyone moved their duped meso and goods to mules and such, it's too late for anything but a rollback.
Any attempt to surgically remove "tainted meso" while causing minimal disruption will result in much worse mayhem (and, again as you said, only the innocent will actually suffer).
The removed mesos bought from selling sites before witout affecting anyone but those who bought the mesos. As for hte innocent, knowing theres an exploit and selling a 8-10att WG for 500mill... how pineappleing innocent are you?
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bobbort Wrote:When your boss says, do this, you do it, or you look for another job.
Or you suggest a better idea or ask questions about the justification. Looking at a job as being a b'itch for your boss isn't any way to excel.
bobbort Wrote:To blame Hime for anything other then doing her job is just completely ignorant.
If she were good at her job (or simple information gathering skills) she wouldn't really have anyone to blame her.
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