Dark Link Wrote:And how is this any different from 2008 and 2009's Black Friday Sales?
It is only about the milestone items that they specifically solicited money for with the expectation that there would be a reasonable chance at retrieving them once they were on sale. In the past they have NEVER advertised specific items, nor have they solicited money under the guise that doing so will provide you with a chance to buy other things you want cheaper, later.
It wouldn't be bad if 1. they hadn't accepted money in exchange for these items being on sale. Yes, that's what they did with the milestone event. These were a prize for anyone who spent money to unlock the milestones. and 2. If they had straight up said they would be in extremely limited quantities before the sale so consumers who were unsure could make an informed decision on whether or not to risk their money.
This is completely different from all of their other sales.
WingZero Wrote:I think many people are angry at the fact that even the Milestone items are limited. The Milestone Items were supposed to be a reward for spending XX amount of NX by Black Friday, but what good is it if there is only a limited quantity?
Anyone who believes those milestones were a reward for anything, and especially those who spent NX with the purpose of unlocking the milestones, deserves to be scammed by Nexon.
you know, unlimited cubes woulda made more sense for them money wise o_o
That and the fact it would allow for deflation of advanced potential scrolls (and thereby increasing demand for them and more cubes). Not to mention that it doesn't cost them anything to just program in unlimited cubes. It's a win win for Nexon,
Too bad with their limited quantity thing they're all gonna be sold out in less than a minute due to high demand and extremely ridiculously low supply. If it was 300-500 cubes, it wouldn't take at least a couple of minutes, but with less than 100? don't expect to get any due to over run servers and DCs due to overload
Dark Link Wrote:And how is this any different from 2008 and 2009's Black Friday Sales?
SaptaZapta Wrote:It isn't any different. They were all failures.
This. No where I said the previous events were good. They might have been a bit better as the milestones thing was't present back at that time. You may be right about it being too early to say if this is the worst of all these failure events or not but what we have seen so far only leads us to think it is.
80 packages of 65 gash tickets, cheap, but not anything I need. So the tier items are pretty much confirmed to be limited then. I have not been this angry at Nexon since the time when my guild got hacked and I could not get the guild name again.
Because my angry post format is actually more jumbled than my TALK ON THE RUN format I will post this discussion to emphasize my points
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<Sarah> Man
<Sarah> I'm steamed about the black friday sales
<Isaac> ?
<Sarah> For the last month or two they've been doing that milestone bullshit
<Sarah> where if you spend money they'll put stuff on sale later
<Sarah> And have been advertising it in such a way that made it seem as if it would be reasonable for anyone to obtain the items
<Sarah> And today the sale began and they put those items out in quantities as low as TWO
<Sarah> total
<Isaac> who? what?
<Isaac> and yeah that's not unusual at all for black friday
<Isaac> "LAPTOPS for $199!" (limit 2 per store)
<Sarah> Obviously that's unscrupulous but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to solicit money with the promise of something when you don't intend to reasonably uphold the other end of the sale
<Sarah> that's different
<Sarah> those stores actually SAY there's a limit
<Sarah> Nexon made it seem unlimited
<Sarah> And it should have been
<Isaac> in tiny print that's on screen for a few seconds
<Sarah> It's still there
<Sarah> And that covers them legally
<Sarah> Nexon didn't do it at all
<Sarah> I'm sick of them taking advantage of kids
<Isaac> that's so typical of Nexon though, there's no real excuse for limited amounts of non-physical items
<Isaac> but they do it all the time
<Sarah> This is different from anything else they've ever done before
<Sarah> Because they never actually advertise the limited item sales prior to the event
<Sarah> So people know there's a gamble
<Sarah> And they've always specifically stated that it would be limited quantities
<Sarah> Neither of which they did this time
<Sarah> They used the popularity of the items to entice people to pre-charging
<Sarah> and had no intention of fulfilling their end
<Isaac> I get what you mean
<Sarah> Even at department stores and stuff
<Sarah> If you don't get what you came for
<Sarah> you don't have to spend anything
<Isaac> i think Nexon believes that "since players are purchasing the points directly, not items, they can't be held accountable for whether or not the player's intentions for the points pan out
<Sarah> Nexon doesn't give refunds
<Sarah> Of course, I understand what they wanted from this but the way they went about it is felonious
<Sarah> But like you said before, even, there's not a god damn reason to limit the sales of those specific items
<Sarah> I wrote a pros and cons list the other day
<Isaac> what I mean is that while this is underhanded in all likelihood it's perfectly legal
<Isaac> just utterly dispicable
<Sarah> And they would have profited more by making them unlimited for like 6 hours
<Sarah> And even in the long run it wouldn't have mattered since anything that changes equipment quickly becomes worthless
<Sarah> The pets produce more sales every 3 months
<Isaac> just because of the technicalities on how NX/etc. works
<Sarah> Experience cards are spiritually limited 2 per person in a 6 hour period
<Sarah> because there's no reason to buy more than that
<Sarah> Normally I understand their business model but this is baffling
<Sarah> I mean, even furthering that
<Isaac> yeah
<Sarah> You get a bunch of kids with too much money now smegaing their now godly equips
<Sarah> And that's going to make a couple indecisive people squirm so much that they'll charge some NX before the sales end
<Sarah> It's a snowball event that could've netted them money throughout the whole day
<Sarah> No one is going to charge any NX now
<Isaac> If you lay it out, really
<Isaac> I imagine nexon was thinking
<Isaac> "We say there's a sale, people buy NX prepaid cards, we already have their money so we only put out a handful of discounted items. They'll have to buy their things at full price if they want them! so we'll get more money!"
<Isaac> that's not what happens at all
<Sarah> And that's what has made sense in previous years
<Isaac> especially this time of year
<Sarah> But this year they have freaking credit cards available again
<Isaac> there WILL be another sale before christmas
<Isaac> that's all but guaranteed
<Sarah> Impulse buying is SO EASY
<Isaac> so if the need isn't immediate, people will wait for the next sale
<Sarah> Yeah
<Sarah> They're screwing themselves out of so much money
<Sarah> and look bad in doing it
<Sarah> Do not comprehend
Oh and they even lie. Bastards got face and weapon listed for this round of sales. I see eyewear and gloves, which aint listed. Try to plan ahead like that folks!
The rockabilly dresses weren't even discounted, they were at full price. I bet they're gonna do that a lot, throw items in at full price and expect people to get them without noticing.
Don't fancy facing off against a ton of CS campers just for a few cubes I can otherwise get at any time. Not that desperate to save NX that I didn't invest real cash in.
Worthyness Wrote:you know, unlimited cubes woulda made more sense for them money wise o_o
Why?
Suppose player P has set aside $100 for cubes for Black Friday.
It doesn't even matter whether they bought the NX ahead of time, although of course if they did that money is already in Nexon's pocket.
Black Friday rolls around and player P manages to get maybe one cube.
Now what?
P has his heart set on cubing his gear. He can't stand to look at his pitiful damage any longer. He will spend those $100 on cubes at full price. He will rant and rave and maybe even rage-quit for a few days, but eventually he will buy those cubes at full price.
With any luck (for Nexon), the results will not be quite satisfactory, and P will somehow dig up another $25 or $50 for more NX and more cubes at full price.
What if the cheap cubes had been unlimited? Well, P would still spend $100 on cubes. With ~120 of them, the chances are higher that he'd be satisfied with the results and not buy any more cubes. Or that his conscience will say "we only buy cubes when they're on sale". So, it's a bit less likely that he'd spend more money on NX.
Either way, Nexon gets their $100 plus possible bonus.
Joe.2 Wrote:The rockabilly dresses weren't even discounted, they were at full price. I bet they're gonna do that a lot, throw items in at full price and expect people to get them without noticing.
Suppose player P has set aside $100 for cubes for Black Friday.
It doesn't even matter whether they bought the NX ahead of time, although of course if they did that money is already in Nexon's pocket.
Black Friday rolls around and player P manages to get maybe one cube.
Now what?
P has his heart set on cubing his gear. He can't stand to look at his pitiful damage any longer. He will spend those $100 on cubes at full price. He will rant and rave and maybe even rage-quit for a few days, but eventually he will buy those cubes at full price.
With any luck (for Nexon), the results will not be quite satisfactory, and P will somehow dig up another $25 or $50 for more NX and more cubes at full price.
What if the cheap cubes had been unlimited? Well, P would still spend $100 on cubes. With ~120 of them, the chances are higher that he'd be satisfied with the results and not buy any more cubes. Or that his conscience will say "we only buy cubes when they're on sale". So, it's a bit less likely that he'd spend more money on NX.
Either way, Nexon gets their $100 plus possible bonus.
Tho most people would not charge 232m NX in one go. I had some bunkered up and was gonna charge more if sale was nifty . The missleading info combined with the topic of my previous post makes that less than likely to happen. I'm confident many roll like this.
CarrionCrow Wrote:Tho most people would not charge 232m NX in one go. I had sExome bunkered up and was gonna charge more if sales was nifty . The missleading info combined with the topic of my previous post makes that's less than likely to happen. I'm confident many roll like this.
Exactly this. They're counting on people spending the money they've already charged just because it's there. They could have profited more by giving incentive to continue charging through the day. You spend that $100 and don't get good stats but since the sale is still going you're more likely to use that as a chance to try more.
