Leeching.

The thing I find funny about leechers is that they leech from say 100-120, and then they run out of money and go "omg i lv120 nl weere i trian??? f4f4f4f4"

Though I train slow, I still do it myself and Im proud of it.

Same here. In fact, I don't even believe 2x is a fair deal... I've never had a 2x exp card (or drop card) in my entire maple gameplay.

What annoys me is when people leech their asses to 13x and then go around flaunting "zomg, look at me, Im soooo pro" and whatnot. No you're not. Go train your character yourself, then talk. If you cant train when its "easy" during your 10x days when its reasonable to level once a day still, how will you train when you're 13x/14x and it takes multiple days of grinding to level?

That's so true. When you leech up like that, you lack the skills needed to play. I remember when boomers still multiplied, I leeched my cleric using my FP mage, and as a result, I suck at healing. >< It wasn't until CPQ came out that I learned how to attack while still keeping others alive.

The other think that annoys me is that people run around maps spamming "Buying Leech!" In an hour at wolf spiders, I see at least three people doing that. It's as if money can buy everything these days. Sighs. In the time they're spamming that, they could have already leveled 10~20% on their own. Show's how lazy people are these days.

(And, also included are the people who train but are too lazy to find a map so they KS yours.)

I'm generally against it, there are specific cases where I'm ok with it but in the general sense of "player is gaining exp while afk" I am definitely against it, and I'd rather not play at all than have to leech from someone.

If you leech your own characters it's not quite as bad, I'd still frown on it unless it's a support type character that you can't solo on (eg. pure HP warrior) but in the end only your own characters are affected.

Yeah, this is how I am as well. I chose "dont care" for the other questionable purposes. However, I do not believe that all classes below 4th job have NOTHING to contribute to a party.

Bowmen can use their birds to stun the lone annoying newtie
Hermits can use shadow web
DKs have hb -- pots break even + they can kill
Saders can stun.
White Knights -- ... well, first of all, LF> white knight
CBs can stun
Priests can HS and hug the wall so the newtie hits THEM instead of me, the main attacker. Also saves me from wasting time trying to climb up the stupid rope with tons of KBs.

Everyone CAN contribute something. So if I'm letting someone leech my exp, I don't wanna hear a "omfg its pot burn standing here" or "Anything I do is useless". All I want is to see that they're doing something to contribute. Which brings me to my next point:

Priests ARENT useless at newties. Yes, all they do is HS, but hell, they've got this wonderful skill called heal. -- Guess what you can do when your attacker got hit? 1. If they pot lag..: solution! 2. Heal serves as an outer source backup in an emergency situation. That said, there is no reason why anyone should be standing there doing nothing. Only exception is if the attacker prefers you doing nothing.


Overall, I don't mind allowing them to leech off my exp because it benefits me (I can't train alone -- or else my attention phazes in 1 minute and I loose the will to train), and on the other hand, I also know that 10x's to 11x's are generally one of the more pain in the ass levels to get through. So I help out as much as I can since I can't do much of the same to those who helped ME get to 120.

In the end, I do and I don't mind = don't care as long as its reasonable.

[COLOR="Magenta"]I totally dislike leeching. If people want to just afk to gain levels then I think they should just turn their computer off.

To be honest its just like auto HSing priests. No effort put into the game at all and they people who do nothing then boast about getting to the level they are and how they did nothing.

I've trained 3 characters to 4th job. The game has now been made so easy to get levels and to get to 120 even without x2. If its your character then it should be the owner of that character who gains the exp to level not someone else.

Leeching yourself if you have 2 computers is fine as your putting in the time to do it. But paying for someone else to do it is just sad. If you want to do something else other than MS then don't log on.

Thats just my view on it anyway. But I really hate people who put in no effort to their own character and then boast about it (which most people do). Also people who are like "L> leech I need 8% to lvl pls pls pls", well, if you've read what I've said before you know what im going to say about that.[/COLOR]

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I've trained 3 characters to 4th job. The game has now been made so easy to get levels and to get to 120 even without x2. If its your character then it should be the owner of that character who gains the exp to level not someone else.

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I'm not to sure about it being "easy to lvl". It still takes a good amount of dedication to the game to reach 4th job. Sure I could spend 8 hours of my day training so I can lvl ONE TIME, but honestly.... 8 hours is alot of friggin time to be playing a game so you can gain +5 ap. Thats on my shadower btw; my bishop would take longer than that.

To be honest it doesnt bother me. Sure it's lazy, but it's just a game. If you want to have the high lvl char without the grind in between then I can't say I blame you. Who wouldn't want to wake up one day and have a high lvl char to play on. Some people enjoy training, and others just want to play on a high lvl char til they get bored.

If you don't want to train, don't train. Wasting a map that other people that enjoy the game could be using is extremely selfish. This is a videogame...you're supposed to play it for entertainment, if you're not having fun don't force yourself to play and ruin everyone else's fun in the process.

The person you're leeching from is still using the map

I'm not to sure about it being "easy to lvl". It still takes a good amount of dedication to the game to reach 4th job. Sure I could spend 8 hours of my day training so I can lvl ONE TIME, but honestly.... 8 hours is alot of friggin time to be playing a game so you can gain +5 ap. Thats on my shadower btw; my bishop would take longer than that.

<-------- Wait till it takes that long to level.


I dont really like leeching or leechers...they start to "expect" certain things from people and have a bad impatient attitude in general.

As an arch mage who trains at newties, I am an expert at this topic.
Whenever I try and train, without fail someone will come in and say:
"OMG CAN U TRAIN ME PLZZZ I WANT TO LVL T____T"
It's really pineappleing annoying when Priests do it, because they THINK that HS will make a diffrence. It won't, I lose EXP and you leech off me. It's a win lose situation, get it through your head.
Even better is when I have to party someone (They take the bottom or whatever.) and after I am done they will ask to buddy me so they can beg me to train later.
One priest who I will delete when I log on will say:
"Hi Lord" when I log on, then say "Lord come to newties I want to train T_T"
I am sick of it. Level your own damn character.

personally, i don't care how other people level. in my experience, those that get used to experience rates leeching just burn out when it comes time to train on their own.

personally, i wont have anyone leeching off me unless they're a friend that i feel like helping out for an hour or two. even then, i expect them to contribute everything possible rather than going afk.

Level your own damn character.

I will have to remember to ask you to level me every time you log on.

As for me, I really don't care. If someone offered to let me leech I'd probably accept, I spend most of my actual training sitting on ropes talking to people anyway. Not likely to pay money for it being that I'm broke.

Generally, against it.

It's one thing to leech as a priest, because you're actually adding valuable skills to the party, and thus, actually PARTICIPATING. Other kinds of leech are minimal and I find okay too, such as very low level (face it, having no to suck skills is a pain in the ass, I level easier at 13x than levels 1-30), people afking for 5 minutes to pee (CS can be a peach and D/C you at times), etc.


It's another to sit there afk and get free exp doing nothing (and yes, I'm against HS afk HS bots for the same reason). What is the point of 'playing' the game if you're not actually going to PLAY it? There's no reward at the end other than entertainment, but you aren't being entertained if you're not there. It's like watching a blank TV screen.

If the grind in this game is too much of a "chore"...then QUIT. As I said, there is no reward, so if it's too much of a bother, then DO SOMETHING ELSE. It is not a requirement to play the game, nor be a high level in x amount of time, etc. It is not a race.


Yes, we all want to be stronger and we all wish it was easy. LIFE ISN'T THAT GENEROUS. You actually need to put effort into something to get something you think you deserve.

<-------- Wait till it takes that long to level.


I dont really like leeching or leechers...they start to "expect" certain things from people and have a bad impatient attitude in general.

thats exactly my point. You're getting 1% an hour at 15x. Wouldn't it be nice to skip 20 hours of training time by having someone else do it for you? 100 hours on the game for 5 ap ??? Seriously come on... Its not wonder so many people want to play private servers or pay for leach. Many of us just do not want to spend 8 hours+ a day killing in a map to play on the high lvl char of our dreams. Hell, if I could have started MS at lvl 150 then why the hell wouldn't I do it? Getting from 1- 15x is a pain in the ass. Took me 3 years.

If you train your own characters leeching, then it's fine. paying other people just makes you look like a lazy bum who wants to get to a high level.

I've personally leeched at least a level in my career to 100. but i trained myslef =P

I don't care.

If the money was obtained legitimately and the person that's letting the rich guy leech is training legitimately, then it's all good.

Leeching is fine as long as you're doing something for the party and actually spending your time getting the EXP. Sitting there AFK, on the other hand....

It doesn't really bother me since I know people are lazy, hell, I'm lazy too but as long as it doesn't involve me I could care less whether or not they are leveling them self.

My friends leech me wherever...though currently I'm at the level where I can't be leeched because himes is the fastest and ... yeah. Blah.

Leeching is fine, whatever. As long as SOMEONE is doing the work... I have no issue with it. I mean leeching a random person for meso can be a bit iffy, but friends doing friends a favor is fine with meee. Like others have said, I'm a priest so I kinda have to hang around to do holy symbol and stuff.

Being an HP Warrior, I thrive on leeching. That's the only way I'll be able to level.

I guess you could say I'm for it. But I still lose a little bit of respect for those people who I see hiding on those ropes. I may sound like a hypocrite, but as much as I like leeching, I dislike certain leechers. These are the people who jumping into a map and start asking for leech right off the bat. These are the people who will say 'thx' and then 'afk' after getting a deal. I'd much prefer it if they were to stand in the middle of the newtie platform and try to help out. I don't even care if they -miss- half the time. At least it shows you're willing to exert some effort on leveling up.

As for me, I'll gladly pay the people who allow me to leech. I might not be very useful if the person doesn't want rage, but I still try to mob where I can and help out anyway I can. If I can't do anything well, I want to give the person some money to pay for their effort and as a gesture of gratitude.

I don't see anything wrong with leeching if the other person tries to do something.

Being an HP Warrior, I thrive on leeching. That's the only way I'll be able to level.

High leveled beginners have to leech too, or else they get 1-2% an hour at level 70 or something.

Yes, we all want to be stronger and we all wish it was easy. LIFE ISN'T THAT GENEROUS. You actually need to put effort into something to get something you think you deserve.

I think some people have forgotten that MapleStory is a game.

Frankly, the amount of grinding needed at the higher levels takes away the "game" feeling from this game and replaces it with a "chore" feeling that some people really hate. At least paying for leeching services takes away the chore feeling for some, and makes MS feel like a game again.

Also, with the "assisting" at Newties argument, I'm not too sure how WKs can contribute to a Newtie party at least half-effectively. I would expect that they would be a liability because PG would accidentally aggro a mob, and then one shot a squishier person (Archers and NL) that happens to be near-by. Sure, we have a stun that works at a 90% rate, but it's hard to spam that stun until 4th job skills.