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alwzn4vr Wrote:First off, according to wikipedia a gold sink: (or for our discussion mesos)

"Gold sink is an economic process by which gold, or any item that can be valued against gold, is removed"

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_sink

How is applying 7B worth of scrolls to an item that you can never sell or trade not a form of mesos sink. The value of that item is no longer recognized in the economy as a whole. I.e. it's been removed from the economy.

@Kaj
Yes I understand that paying for the scrolls give someone else mesos. If the item was tradeable, the the seller would have 7B and the buyer would have a 7B item. That's still 14 B floating around the economy. The item isn't tradeable so there's only 7B floating. Therefore 7B is still removed.

And you're argument about scrolls is flawed. Nexon makes available to the economy scrolls that have a percentage chance of not working and destroying the item. They're called dark scrolls. So, whenever you apply a dark scroll and destroy an item you have participated in an economic process to remove 2 or more items that can be valued against mesos. Maybe an example will clarify:

Let's say you're a STR shadower and you've just purchased a 99 ATK Gold Double Knife for 20 mil, 3 30% dark scrolls for dagger for atk 5 mil each, and 4 60% dark scrolls for dagger for atk 2.5 mil each. (prices are for illustration only)

Now you scroll the item as follows:

30% pass, 30% fail, 60% pass, 60% pass, 60% fail, 30% destroy

You've just removed 20 + 5 + 5 + 2.5 + 2.5 + 2.5 + 5 = 42.5 million mesos from the economy. (not including the value of any bait scrolls and items)

Just because this process doesn't remove mesos 100% of the time and sometimes adds value doesn't mean it's not a mesos sink.




dont misquote wikipedia at me. Tongue im still right. if you want a meso sink, you must remove a meso from the economy, not just let it change hands.

applying "any amount of mesos" in scrolls does not remove mesos from the economy, only from your wallet. this removes scrolls from the economy when you use them and serves as a scroll sink. which, like stereo said, helps scroll prices inflate.

in addition, no untradable item is truely removed from the economy because you could sell your account. the fact that this is against the ToS is irrelevant because black and grey markets exist everywhere.

Quote:And finally, you state "buy more 100% overall dex and eventually inflation will stop."

That's just silly. Seriously, I dare you to present a case where this will ever be true.

lol. how long have you been playing?
nexon did a very dumb thing a while ago, back when they released nlc.
they released the pots. that was dumb. if you want the cause of inflation today, blame the pots.

yeah, youll say "but those pots are the only pots worth buying"! exactly. because it used to have some semblance of balance. now it doesnt.
nexon decimated the only significant meso sink in the whole game.

lets say i train every day, and use 100 honsters. that costs 280k. if i were to buy reindeer milk like i had to before nlc, i would spend 540k (ugh its been so long i cant remember the price). nexon cut my pot cost in half! now lets extend this to mages... well pre-nlc, mages would buy elixirs. they got up to 8k each. mana bulls are the same 2800. nexon quartered pot costs for mages!

now lets say that across windia, maybe 5000 people train like i do every day, and 1/2 are mages nowadays. you just introduced about 2b in meso into the economy from people saving on pots instead of spending. EVERY DAY. its been like 500 days or so since nlc got released, roughly estimating. who the pineapple has 1t mesos they arent supposed to have? everybody.

did you ever wonder about inflation? if you can understand this, now you know why it happened.

it isnt because nexon introduced a scroll worth 1b. its because you spent less on pots every day. and so did everyone else.

now obviously, this example is the exact opposite of what you asked for. but in comparison, the introduction of a quest that costs 5m, mounts, guild expansions, hmm what else... gem grading! which we dont have yet! they all seem pretty insignificant in comparison because none of them have the staying power (i.e. repeatability) that halving or quartering pot costs has.

the sword scrolls you complain are 1b wouldnt be more than 200m if we didnt have nlc pots. and i can be sure about that price because i can still enter the old mindset of "oh damn, im going to lose money when i train today". the new mindset of "wow, soloing pap is profitable if i npc the pots!" is vaguely satisfying, but i would happily give up a honster if nexon truely cared to deflate the economy long term.

maybe they havent noticed, or they have and are trying to play you and whet your appetite for the next facestomper, chaos scroll, scg, pac, deputy star, or ele wand X. but its a very fine balance to strike, trying to make sure net in = net out, and nlc pots have tipped the scales.

do you comprehend what i am saying? i truly want to get my point across here. because i really DO want you to stop perpetuating the crap i quoted before.
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