2012-04-12, 07:40 AM
Dark Link Wrote:Now this is hilarious, considering you even made a post in your very own topic stating: Personal experience means nothing.I think legitimate specific credentials and evidence of active current participation with top-play PvP is better than "lol I won 5 matches in a row with 1.6k points". Love that you're reading the thread (too bad it's not the right context).
Dark Link Wrote:So why should we follow you and no one else? Oh, because you're "Top 5 in Broa"?You don't have to follow me; I never said my chart was the undying truth to end all debates. But I would say it's safer to follow me than a random lvl12x Basiler who spews nonsense with no backing at all.
Since you were reading the thread, I hope you've had some insight on what I had to say on some classes unless you were specifically looking for small insignicant fallacies (if any) in my posts.
Dark Link Wrote:You should still make it less biased by making the "Are you a Melee Class" -> "No" and "DEX as Primary?" options still go to "Were you revamped?".
You make it sound like even if you were revamped to do a bazillion damage to 15 people, so as long as you use "DEX" as a primary stat, you still suck.
It looks biased because it's satire/comedy. However, it's all based on established trends, skill tables, and what is unanimously considered true. If Evans have anything to say about it, then Yes: if you were revamped you'll do a bazillion damage to 7 people (if you've honestly never witness what a revamped Evan could do, you don't exactly have any basis on having a legitimate opinion on PvP...). Arans are only the lesser side but they still have the best Ultimate in the game and they still have the #1 highest DPS against a mob. Resistance is revamped too but half of them are already established to be OP and the other half is lost early in the chart because they use DEX.
I'll copy-paste what I have to say on DEX-based classes.
This chart is in accordance to GMS server lag; in a lagless game, there would only be 2 categories: OP and Balanced.
The reason why Mages, Shadowers, and Warriors are so good isn't because they're OP: it's because they work as intended. Server lag does little to a mage, warrior, or Shadower because they shoot in bursts with a high number of hits which is negligible with lag. DEX based classes unfortunately have the tendency to have skills that hit at a high rate but is severely hindered by lag: this is why BMs and WHs suck so much.
For example, if a class fires 10 times a second and another class deals the same damage but at 5 hits a second, it would generally be balanced. Now look at the same scenario but the lag between attacks doubled: the class that fires 10 times a second can only hit 5 times a second now, the class that hit 5 times a second will still shoot at 5 times a second because the lag and their cooldown between attacks mixes well. This makes the 2nd class have a huge advantage by just simply working as intended.
MMs are actually quite balanced because they share the same characteristics as the Warriors. Imho, I actually would add another bubble to include MMs because they don't suffer the effects of lag as BMs do.
Siege-Mode, Wild Arrow Blast, Hurricane, etc happens to be the main attack of most DEX-based classes except Marksman so they tend to do bad. Yes, you can do well without it but you're playing handicapped. Mercedes would be complete awful if they didn't have Unicorn and Leaf Tornado (but imagine if they had a working Ishtar...). Also, most projectile-based classes have a problem with aiming vertically as well since their attacks don't curve upwards; on the flipside, melee classes have their vertical range nearly doubled to the point where the animation doesn't make any sense (you can use a Paladin's Blast to hit platforms under Nihal and Gold Richie's).
Well I'm heading to bed. I'll be looking forward to what's here in the morning (hopefully something that's on topic).
EDIT: Btw, the revamp didn't help the DEX based classes at all (at least Mechs got unlimited siege... right?), hence why they don't get a chance to get to the "Have you been revamped recently?" bubble.
BaMs and Evans on the otherhand...

